[GAMESTARTS] Transcend - Lost Colony (updated March 20, 2017)
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Excellent! I'll be adding it tonight if I have the time. Thanks.
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- Leafcutter
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Thanks for this MOD, I am enjoying it.
S & M ships that the player owns prior to adding Transcend (No Highways) to an existing save (which did have highways) may not receive the modified booster.
Possibly the same applies to existing NPC S & M ships in the universe.
New NPC ships created by shipyards and spawned S & M ships (Transcend system upon MOD install) will have a booster, so it might be a case of just waiting for natural wastage and recycle to occur before all NPC ships behave as the MOD intends. You can accelerate this by destroying them or waiting for pirate raids to do it.
Regarding your own S & M ship stock, I recommend selling them and building new ones which will inherit the properties defined by the 'No Highways' version of the MOD.
This is all conjecture as I'm not technical, but have observed (excuse the pun) ship behavior indicating my explanation.
Perhaps the author may be able to provide a method to resolve this retrospectively? (although I imagine it may not be viable)
Cheers
-LC-
S & M ships that the player owns prior to adding Transcend (No Highways) to an existing save (which did have highways) may not receive the modified booster.
Possibly the same applies to existing NPC S & M ships in the universe.
New NPC ships created by shipyards and spawned S & M ships (Transcend system upon MOD install) will have a booster, so it might be a case of just waiting for natural wastage and recycle to occur before all NPC ships behave as the MOD intends. You can accelerate this by destroying them or waiting for pirate raids to do it.
Regarding your own S & M ship stock, I recommend selling them and building new ones which will inherit the properties defined by the 'No Highways' version of the MOD.
This is all conjecture as I'm not technical, but have observed (excuse the pun) ship behavior indicating my explanation.
Perhaps the author may be able to provide a method to resolve this retrospectively? (although I imagine it may not be viable)
Cheers
-LC-
Always expect the unexpected, and you will never be surprised.
There are the <patch_macro ... /> and <patch_macros ... /> commands which should make it possible to alter macros which are already in a save file. Haven't played around with either command, though, so not sure what parameters they need and how reliable they are.
Information for both commands in libraries\common.xsd.
Information for both commands in libraries\common.xsd.
- Leafcutter
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so a Gigarum I purchased does indeed now have a boost capability.
But I have noticed some further properties of the no-highway version which will need to be fixed or else for me it may be a case of going back to a previous save before its too late.
The Gigarum I mentioned... I instructed it to fly to my position... it boosted, but once its shield has depleted, it reverted to normal speed (slow). I then repeated the instruction via new order and again it boosted until its shield depleted. Assume the same thing will happen to NPC ships.
There are a lot of NPC fighters hanging around... I have noticed that if one fires a shot they spring back to life... but ultimately it looks like all their instructions have been interrupted... it won't be possible to reactivate them all manually.
I am still not convinced either way whether mass traffic actually contributes to inter-zone trading... if it does then removing them will mess up the economy which as we all now is not the most robust at the best of times.
Hopefully Observe will read this and address, else I can only recommend this MOD with a new game start.
Thanks
-LC-
But I have noticed some further properties of the no-highway version which will need to be fixed or else for me it may be a case of going back to a previous save before its too late.
The Gigarum I mentioned... I instructed it to fly to my position... it boosted, but once its shield has depleted, it reverted to normal speed (slow). I then repeated the instruction via new order and again it boosted until its shield depleted. Assume the same thing will happen to NPC ships.
There are a lot of NPC fighters hanging around... I have noticed that if one fires a shot they spring back to life... but ultimately it looks like all their instructions have been interrupted... it won't be possible to reactivate them all manually.
I am still not convinced either way whether mass traffic actually contributes to inter-zone trading... if it does then removing them will mess up the economy which as we all now is not the most robust at the best of times.
Hopefully Observe will read this and address, else I can only recommend this MOD with a new game start.
Thanks
-LC-
Always expect the unexpected, and you will never be surprised.
- Leafcutter
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Yes I saw your comment above which mentioned smaller ships stuck in a jump cycle (without jump drives).
Perhaps Observe cut and paste too much of the larger ship move AI into the smaller ship move AI in an attempt to solve the booster problem.
And for NPCs somehow the booster should not use the shield.
I see drones are being introduced to the Sucellus so fighter support won't be such an issue.
@w.evens
Unfortunately those script commands don't mean anything to me other than they sound powerful and dangerous... properly why no one has tried them out yet
-LC-
Perhaps Observe cut and paste too much of the larger ship move AI into the smaller ship move AI in an attempt to solve the booster problem.
And for NPCs somehow the booster should not use the shield.
I see drones are being introduced to the Sucellus so fighter support won't be such an issue.
@w.evens
Unfortunately those script commands don't mean anything to me other than they sound powerful and dangerous... properly why no one has tried them out yet
-LC-
Always expect the unexpected, and you will never be surprised.
The patch_ commands are a possible way to patch boosters into:
Like I mentioned, I haven't tried those commands, though, so don't know how well they'll work for this particular situation.Leafcutter wrote:S & M ships that the player owns prior to adding Transcend (No Highways) to an existing save (which did have highways) may not receive the modified booster.
- Leafcutter
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For those who may be interested...
I have been persisting with the No-Highways version of this mod (as an alternative to my old plot save) and as time has progressed things seem to have settled down.
I see less M ships flying around, but more L freighters to replace them... perhaps the AI knows to do this. I have done the same by selling M and buying L for station managers.
The economy for me at least has not come to a grinding halt.
The only other problem is the method of pirate or xenon S fighters spawning...a less aggressive place without highways in the original systems of DV, AL and OL. Maybe this is unconnected.
-LC-
I have been persisting with the No-Highways version of this mod (as an alternative to my old plot save) and as time has progressed things seem to have settled down.
I see less M ships flying around, but more L freighters to replace them... perhaps the AI knows to do this. I have done the same by selling M and buying L for station managers.
The economy for me at least has not come to a grinding halt.
The only other problem is the method of pirate or xenon S fighters spawning...a less aggressive place without highways in the original systems of DV, AL and OL. Maybe this is unconnected.
-LC-
Always expect the unexpected, and you will never be surprised.
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Heya, i have a few questions about this mod:
- Is it intended that the entire sector/zone/highway locations/layout is the exact same as the one of Omicron Lyrae? Or is something wrong with my game/the installed mod?
- Is it intended that the galaxy map icon of Transcend is at the exact same location of Maelstrom? Looks kinda ugly/wierd and it is impossible to select Transcend by doubleclicking the galaxy map icon since you select Maelstrom instead.
- Is it intended that the entire sector/zone/highway locations/layout is the exact same as the one of Omicron Lyrae? Or is something wrong with my game/the installed mod?
- Is it intended that the galaxy map icon of Transcend is at the exact same location of Maelstrom? Looks kinda ugly/wierd and it is impossible to select Transcend by doubleclicking the galaxy map icon since you select Maelstrom instead.
Rei Ayanami wrote:Heya, i have a few questions about this mod:
- Is it intended that the entire sector/zone/highway locations/layout is the exact same as the one of Omicron Lyrae? Or is something wrong with my game/the installed mod?
- Is it intended that the galaxy map icon of Transcend is at the exact same location of Maelstrom? Looks kinda ugly/wierd and it is impossible to select Transcend by doubleclicking the galaxy map icon since you select Maelstrom instead.
- Yes.
- Yes. You can select from the right side menu while on the Galaxy map.
Hello all. I am considering updating this mod, but it's been ages since I played Rebirth, or payed any attention to this mod. I know there were things that people requested changed and some things that were/are not working correctly.
If anyone is still playing this mod, I wonder if you could let me know the short list of things that I should attend to in this next revision.
Thanks.
If anyone is still playing this mod, I wonder if you could let me know the short list of things that I should attend to in this next revision.
Thanks.
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Welcome back
I switched to vanilla for bug hunting a while ago so it's been a while since I used this mod. Maybe some of the following notes on recent game changes could be useful.
Mass traffic
There have been a couple of documented fixes, including for the way it can be used by a station's cargo drones to trade with other stations in-zone. If the optional removal was for performance or aesthetic reasons, maybe this isn't important though.
Medium ships
They have received moderate increases to their base speed, and gained Skunk-style boost engines (for combat and fleeing combat). The base speed helps when there are no highways but capitals are probably still the logical choice in such circumstances.
Vanilla game start with free station
A bug preventing the replacement of CVs at the free Pharma Lab in the Empire Builder start was found and fixed in 4.00. If there was any problem with the mod's free stations in the past, it seems fine now (I destroyed the CV at the free Energy Array and I could ask an Architect on a new CV to work deploy to the station).
Tree of life map
There are jump beacons at every zone apart from Hermit's Refuge. Not sure if that was intentional so mentioning in case it wasn't.
Station construction in "Empty Space"
Just before your last update to this mod, we gained the ability to build stations in temporary zones to make them permanent, and after we can rename the zone. This probably isn't news to you. We [still] cannot make highways so there's still similarity to the "no highways" version of this mod.
NPCs on player-owned stations
Player-owned stations now become populated with NPCs like the inventory ware traders etc. I am checking the mod in 4.10 beta quickly and these NPCs appear on the free stations in the mod's Empire start - nice.
On that note though, there are Mechanics included in the list of NPCs working on both stations. I can't remember if that occurred with the mod under earlier version of Rebirth. If it was done as a work-around for there being no NPCs on player-owned stations in the past, perhaps it isn't needed now.
Free Engineer on the Skunk
In the 4.10 beta, we only have "Goodbye" as a conversation option when talking to the free 5* Engineer on the Skunk (empire start). This means we can't assign them elsewhere if needed (not terrible though). On the other hand, if we ask another Engineer to work on the Skunk, the free Engineer still only has "Goodbye" as an option so probably cannot be removed.
Home of Light DLC
It's 3 new systems have a connection to Maelstrom but it's in a different sector to this mod's connection so I presume they are compatible with each other.
Free capitals in empire start
They typically have 999 units of fuel. Not sure if intentional or a side effect of something that changed in Rebirth at some point.
Change to the vanilla OL system map
Alongside pirate capitals starting to collect wares from ships the destroy, a pirate station was added to Murky Skies (the analogue to Hidden Meanings in this mod). That station doesn't appear in the mod when I open it in 4.10, which makes sense (probably a naive thing to bother checking but I am not a modder so thought I might as well).
New Start menu and equipment
Support has been added for separation of info. For example, in the default game starts, things like location and starting ships are in their own boxes. Hart to describe - probably easiest to look at the vanilla game starts to see if the option is of interest. On a related note, SETA and a player ship jump drive are now in the game via crafting rare loot. Mentioning in case adding one or the other fits with the ethos of the mod's empire start.
I switched to vanilla for bug hunting a while ago so it's been a while since I used this mod. Maybe some of the following notes on recent game changes could be useful.
Mass traffic
There have been a couple of documented fixes, including for the way it can be used by a station's cargo drones to trade with other stations in-zone. If the optional removal was for performance or aesthetic reasons, maybe this isn't important though.
Medium ships
They have received moderate increases to their base speed, and gained Skunk-style boost engines (for combat and fleeing combat). The base speed helps when there are no highways but capitals are probably still the logical choice in such circumstances.
Vanilla game start with free station
A bug preventing the replacement of CVs at the free Pharma Lab in the Empire Builder start was found and fixed in 4.00. If there was any problem with the mod's free stations in the past, it seems fine now (I destroyed the CV at the free Energy Array and I could ask an Architect on a new CV to work deploy to the station).
Tree of life map
There are jump beacons at every zone apart from Hermit's Refuge. Not sure if that was intentional so mentioning in case it wasn't.
Station construction in "Empty Space"
Just before your last update to this mod, we gained the ability to build stations in temporary zones to make them permanent, and after we can rename the zone. This probably isn't news to you. We [still] cannot make highways so there's still similarity to the "no highways" version of this mod.
NPCs on player-owned stations
Player-owned stations now become populated with NPCs like the inventory ware traders etc. I am checking the mod in 4.10 beta quickly and these NPCs appear on the free stations in the mod's Empire start - nice.
On that note though, there are Mechanics included in the list of NPCs working on both stations. I can't remember if that occurred with the mod under earlier version of Rebirth. If it was done as a work-around for there being no NPCs on player-owned stations in the past, perhaps it isn't needed now.
Free Engineer on the Skunk
In the 4.10 beta, we only have "Goodbye" as a conversation option when talking to the free 5* Engineer on the Skunk (empire start). This means we can't assign them elsewhere if needed (not terrible though). On the other hand, if we ask another Engineer to work on the Skunk, the free Engineer still only has "Goodbye" as an option so probably cannot be removed.
Home of Light DLC
It's 3 new systems have a connection to Maelstrom but it's in a different sector to this mod's connection so I presume they are compatible with each other.
Free capitals in empire start
They typically have 999 units of fuel. Not sure if intentional or a side effect of something that changed in Rebirth at some point.
Change to the vanilla OL system map
Alongside pirate capitals starting to collect wares from ships the destroy, a pirate station was added to Murky Skies (the analogue to Hidden Meanings in this mod). That station doesn't appear in the mod when I open it in 4.10, which makes sense (probably a naive thing to bother checking but I am not a modder so thought I might as well).
New Start menu and equipment
Support has been added for separation of info. For example, in the default game starts, things like location and starting ships are in their own boxes. Hart to describe - probably easiest to look at the vanilla game starts to see if the option is of interest. On a related note, SETA and a player ship jump drive are now in the game via crafting rare loot. Mentioning in case adding one or the other fits with the ethos of the mod's empire start.
- NZ-Wanderer
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Great to see you back Observe
Link to the list of Mods working in X4-Foundations and also Link to the list of Mods working in X-Rebirth
NOTE: I play with a modded game, so any reports I make outlining suggestions/problems/bugs/annoyances, are made with mods installed and running.
NOTE: I play with a modded game, so any reports I make outlining suggestions/problems/bugs/annoyances, are made with mods installed and running.
This mod originally came with both a no-highways and standard highways versions. I produced the no-highways version, because I personally hate them (highways).
However, due to reasons I don't exactly remember, the only version I have on Steam workshop, is the one with highways.
I have a question: If I have only one version, is the no-highways or the highways version preferred?
Thank you.
However, due to reasons I don't exactly remember, the only version I have on Steam workshop, is the one with highways.
I have a question: If I have only one version, is the no-highways or the highways version preferred?
Thank you.