Can we see actual gameplay?

[spacecoyote99]

I cite again, the example of Spacebase DF-9. I backed it because the premise was interesting: a space game styled after Dwarf Fortress. Some time later, the devs abandoned it, and cited a very weak reason. They then had the gall to start a Kickstarter campaign to make Psychonauts 2. The community had a mixed reaction of laughing at them, and insulting them.

You backed an unfinished product by a (mostly) unknown developer that ended up turning their back on the game. That's terrible and they should be denounced, fully agreed.

Egosoft has a long, long history of supporting their games for an unreasonable number of years after release. This is why I feel 100% confident about my preorder.

[ZombiePotatoSalad]

I cite again, the example of Spacebase DF-9. I backed it because the premise was interesting: a space game styled after Dwarf Fortress. Some time later, the devs abandoned it, and cited a very weak reason. They then had the gall to start a Kickstarter campaign to make Psychonauts 2. The community had a mixed reaction of laughing at them, and insulting them.

You backed an unfinished product by a (mostly) unknown developer that ended up turning their back on the game. That's terrible and they should be denounced, fully agreed.

Egosoft has a long, long history of supporting their games for an unreasonable number of years after release. This is why I feel 100% confident about my preorder.

Yeah, but you can see where my trepidation comes from.

I know Egosoft has a history of delivering and being all-around solid developers. They even helped one of my favorite Youtubers, Willfe, when YouTube was giving him grief. I was already hooked from what I saw in the trailer. Yes, I'd love to see more, not only to tide me over until release, but to confirm what was in the trailer is what we will get, rather than stuff taken out of context. I bought No Man's Sky back when it first launched, and you know how that went.

Also, the Q&A is a year out of date, and consists of many non-answers. Isn't it time for a new one, since things have changed since then?

[Falcrack]

Also, the Q&A is a year out of date, and consists of many non-answers. Isn't it time for a new one, since things have changed since then?

In addition, many many relevant questions have been asked since that Q&A which have gone 100% unanswered to this point.

[ZombiePotatoSalad]

Also, the Q&A is a year out of date, and consists of many non-answers. Isn't it time for a new one, since things have changed since then?

In addition, many many relevant questions have been asked since that Q&A which have gone 100% unanswered to this point.

Agreed. All I'd like to see is a small segment of gameplay with live commentary, warts and all. If something breaks, so it goes. No game is perfect, especially at launch. I'd be happy just seeing some mining, trading, flying in space, whatever. None of those are spoilers any more than what we've already seen.

[reanor]

Also, the Q&A is a year out of date, and consists of many non-answers. Isn't it time for a new one, since things have changed since then?

In addition, many many relevant questions have been asked since that Q&A which have gone 100% unanswered to this point.

Agreed. All I'd like to see is a small segment of gameplay with live commentary, warts and all. If something breaks, so it goes. No game is perfect, especially at launch. I'd be happy just seeing some mining, trading, flying in space, whatever. None of those are spoilers any more than what we've already seen.

You are probably referring to the Star Citizen open development, where you can see things crash every time they do CitizenCon. Egosoft is not doing open development, it's closed door development and we get to see only what they want us to get to see. Now, the above posters mentioned that Egosoft has a good reputation on delivering the game, but we also know that they have a reputation on releasing very buggy games. The bugs followed them pretty much since the days of X1. They did always end up polishing and fixing majority of the bugs, even though in some cases it took years (hello XR), but eventually they did do make every game playable and enjoyable. I am not an advocate for releasing buggy and unfinished game, but we are all ready for the next X game installment. From what I understand, they are working hard to test it right now and get it as polished as possible, before the release on 11/30. I hope it almost goes smoother than previous releases, but again, since its a closed development, unlike Star Citizen, we won't get to see the game play in process of breaking and freezing, that won't help them at all. Also, if you go their YouTube channel, there are some early WIP videos, where they demonstrate game mechanics. I think one of the videos showed them building stations etc.

[ZombiePotatoSalad]

In addition, many many relevant questions have been asked since that Q&A which have gone 100% unanswered to this point.

Agreed. All I'd like to see is a small segment of gameplay with live commentary, warts and all. If something breaks, so it goes. No game is perfect, especially at launch. I'd be happy just seeing some mining, trading, flying in space, whatever. None of those are spoilers any more than what we've already seen.

You are probably referring to the Star Citizen open development, where you can see things crash every time they do CitizenCon. Egosoft is not doing open development, it's closed door development and we get to see only what they want us to get to see. Now, the above posters mentioned that Egosoft has a good reputation on delivering the game, but we also know that they have a reputation on releasing very buggy games. The bugs followed them pretty much since the days of X1. They did always end up polishing and fixing majority of the bugs, even though in some cases it took years (hello XR), but eventually they did do make every game playable and enjoyable. I am not an advocate for releasing buggy and unfinished game, but we are all ready for the next X game installment. From what I understand, they are working hard to test it right now and get it as polished as possible, before the release on 10/30. I hope it almost goes smoother than previous releases, but again, since its a closed development, unlike Star Citizen, we won't get to see the game play in process of breaking and freezing, that won't help them at all. Also, if you go their YouTube channel, there are some early WIP videos, where they demonstrate game mechanics. I think one of the videos showed them building stations etc.

I don't need to see every little detail. I'd be fine with a narrated segment of gameplay that's actually gameplay, like the recent Just Cause 4 Gamescom trailer. While yes, their history speaks for itself in the positive, you also have to consider how psyched people were for Rebirth, only to have it launch with a resounding "meh." As I said before, I don't expect a perfect game. I know there will be bugs. In fact, if there's a particularly amusing bug, I'd like to see it (such as Teladi eyes spinning in their sockets in Rebirth). Yeah, I've already watched most of those videos, most beaing a year old, and all except one are people talking over a prerecorded looping segment of gameplay. The first one actually had a person at the controls, responding to the speaker.

And the game releases on 11/30.

[Llothlian]

I feel that now that the preorder button is up, we deserve (yes, deserve) a much more detailed look at what we are getting into before we commit to buying.

I actually blame pre-orders, season passes, and other DLC 'strategies' for many gamers' continued sense of entitlement and impatience.

Don't; blame how hard we got burnt with X Rebirth. I'd played the games for years upon years, spent £600 upgrading my PC for Rebirth, pre-ordered the game, then it turns out to be ****** shit. I've got maybe 20 hours on it to this day. I am not buying anything without seeing it because of that.

[ZaphodBeeblebrox]

I spent £1500 on a new PC 5 years ago, took the week of work. Only to shelve the game and do other things for that week. After much work on the part of Egosoft I have nearly 1500 hours on Rebirth. I don't feel like I got burnt, burned or anything like it. For the price of a night out your vehemence just seems totally unjustified.

[Nikola515]

I have over 2000h on XR but that don't have anything do to do with X4. XR was broken from the start and I wish I didn't get the game until it was fixed (it ruined whole experience from the start). XR is pretty good game on its own but it is still horrible X game (just my opinion). Reason why OP has a good point is because Ego deliberately didn't show any live gameplay of XR is because game was so broken that nobody would have bough the game on first place (I wouldn't). This might be same reason with X4 as well ( personally I don't think this is the case but I was wrong before). Also this will lead to more speculations within community or some journalists.... Anyway ill be waiting to see some videos of live gameplay to see if game actually works before getting it (no more preorders for me

[XD733]

I feel that now that the preorder button is up, we deserve (yes, deserve) a much more detailed look at what we are getting into before we commit to buying.

I actually blame pre-orders, season passes, and other DLC 'strategies' for many gamers' continued sense of entitlement and impatience.

Don't; blame how hard we got burnt with X Rebirth. I'd played the games for years upon years, spent £600 upgrading my PC for Rebirth, pre-ordered the game, then it turns out to be ****** shit. I've got maybe 20 hours on it to this day. I am not buying anything without seeing it because of that.

I have to agree. I don't like the idea that we "deserve" anything, but I definitely agree that it is unwise to order anything from Egosoft until after release based on what happened with X:Rebirth. They hyped it and hyped it and it was a total abject failure.

I have been trying to play it again for the last couple weeks and, even patched, it has done nothing but ruin my relatively high hopes for X4. Seriously, it's impossible to play that game without wondering how X through X3:AP were so good.

[Alci]

Seriously, it's impossible to play that game without wondering how X through X3:AP were so good.

simple answer, bad memory. X:BtF was pretty bad and very disappointing too. Besides graphic it was far beyond the standards already existing in genre. X2 was the one that brought something new worth playing so the "bad spacesim" part could be ignored.

And Rebirth is not that bad. Even on release it wasn't disaster as some are "remembering". It worked. No crashes, no FPS problems. Bugs were no worse then Skyrim/Fallout at release. It was playable. And still better then X1. I remember Daikatana launch disaster (it's still uncompleteable even today btw.), RAGE launch disasters, NMS launch disaster, Crysis 2 launch disaster.

[Llothlian]

Rebirth had terrible crashes, bugs and FPS problems. Are you sure it's everybody else misremembering, not just you?

[Alan Phipps]

Why do people want to argue (all over and over again) about X Rebirth in X4 threads? It totally mystifies me!

Let's just accept that individuals may have their own compelling reasons for wishing to see in advance real and current X4 gameplay footage (or not) and so move on with the topic please.

[SimB]

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV6VBJiLMJ4

(already posted in another thread)

[Falcrack]

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV6VBJiLMJ4

(already posted in another thread)

Yeah, I recall seeing that when it came out, but it did not make much of an impression on my then, because mostly it was just Bernd flying around a station, shooting it a bit, and showing off how you can see the pilot from an external view of the ship. Not really core gameplay features like trading, building, mining, accepting and performing missions, etc.

The only thing I gleaned from that video for me was that the hated (for me at least) info points on station and scanning minigame seemed to still be present, something which I hope to mod out on day 1.

[eMYNOCK]

Why do people want to argue (all over and over again) about X Rebirth in X4 threads? It totally mystifies me!

Let's just accept that individuals may have their own compelling reasons for wishing to see in advance real and current X4 gameplay footage (or not) and so move on with the topic please.

Alan.. that urge is quiet simple.

They want to hold on their bad memories and want them to replaced with something spectacular later in November.


I certainly can't participate in that discussion... my +4k Hours do speak for them self.

[Alci]

Not really core gameplay features like trading, building, mining, accepting and performing missions, etc.

trading, building was shown quite well already. Showing that again would be redundant. This little one had sound effects

[DaMuncha]

I want to know how the game has changed since the Alpha footage we've seen. How the game looks, How the game plays, What features the game has, What improvements have been made based on your feedback.

[Sandalpocalypse]

Yeah, I recall seeing that when it came out, but it did not make much of an impression on my then, because mostly it was just Bernd flying around a station, shooting it a bit, and showing off how you can see the pilot from an external view of the ship. Not really core gameplay features like trading, building, mining, accepting and performing missions, etc.

The only thing I gleaned from that video for me was that the hated (for me at least) info points on station and scanning minigame seemed to still be present, something which I hope to mod out on day 1.

IIRC Egosoft discussed in an earlier video that station scanning is still present but much more limited. The primary goal of station scanning is to obtain blueprints of sections to use on your own stations.

[Nikola515]

Scanning stations might be fun now that it actually have meaning and worthy goal to it. For example in XR if we hack station it will shot it down only for 30min (or something like that)… This was not practical because of short time stations is down vs time it takes to do it (it wont give you any advantages). Scanning stations in X4 will give you permeant blueprints and it will encourage player to explore. Also what I want to see is space suit gameplay and how it will work ? I hope we get repair gun from X3