[POLL] Give the Kha'ak some purple love!

[DeFragMe]

Technically the Khaak got genocided to oblivion and the khaak we see today are only remnants without queens, no? How many years passed since TC in universe? And they are yet to make a queen, seems they can't make a new one so they are dead. No point fluffing up the timeline just to make them strong again. NOW! If a new type of khaak comes out to be a threat they either should use a different shape for their building blocks, or they at least have to have a different base color to show its a different genus of khaak. Else its screws up the timeline. I'm all for making enemies strong. But make it fair, and make it work.

To say that Operation Final Fury wiped out an entire race is a bit of a stretch. Ide say its perfectly accepted to just have a resurgence without much explanation.
Kha'ak are also one of the only ways ide accept ship 'spawns' (the only other way being a station/fleet spawn if a faction gets all their assets destroyed). They are supposed to have crazy jumpdrive tech right? Could be a menace without a source for the game.

Oh, also... any reason why Kha'ak in X4 dont use clusters? They were very cool too.

well, i havent played TC in quite a while, but Final Furry was if i remmeber right just a strik in the hearth of the enemies base to kill the queen (with a lot of lost ships to gama Kyon emitters). And if we go the route of hives... in most cases of "hives" the queen can be remade. depending on the kind of hive, with alot of lost units, or quite a internall struggle because there are more than one.
And since alot of time has passed between X3TC and X4, i personally would think they would have a new one, especially since in X4 they seem to be alot more agressive again compared to X3AP, where they where basically non existing, and with no gates and real jump technology , noone could bother the hive for a long time.

but maybe iam just imaging to much stuff into it ... iam just missing the good old Khaak capitals and M6s.

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PS: I forgot to write, the ships flying, are sometimes called "Queens guard" etc... who knows, maybe a comming plot since they can jump freely? maybe they got some revange in the old military sector, who knows... or just imagination, since i love those ships and weapons

[Tomonor]

Final Fury was an inside job

[Tharrg]

Just been re-reading Joel Shepherd's Spiral Wars books, so really keen on some Kha'ak action.

[mr.WHO]

I might be wrong, but Final Fury was to wipe out the franment of Khaak race that was invading X3 space. They were not the entire Khaak race, but all the rest exist outside of know gate network (Ancients didn't intented the Khaak to meet other races as they are very hostile).

Personally I'd prefere fist to expand Xenons and they have their own space and litte economy.

[DeFragMe]

Personally I'd prefere fist to expand Xenons and they have their own space and litte economy.

i would partly say yes, but still, we now had X3AP and X:R basically fully for the Xenon storyline. and the X4 already started again only with Xenon as partly story (the guild quest) and the khaak not even mentioned, at least a side story, some extra to them, would be nice after all those years missing them.
Even in X3TC where the Final Furry took place, most of the story parts where about Xenon and terrans and getting wares for a greedy little boron.

[Axeface]

The more I think about it, the more I want an actually DLC or FreeLC focusing on the Kha'ak or Xenon. A plot would be great too. The Aldrin story in X3 was really cool.

[mr.WHO]

I'd gladly pay for full Xenon/Khaak DLC that would add more ships, more economy and Xenon/Khaak gamestart.

[DeFragMe]

I'd gladly pay for full Xenon/Khaak DLC that would add more ships, more economy and Xenon/Khaak gamestart.

would too, and i think X3:R was it that had a Khaak start.... well "start" , you were set to hostile for all people and started in a Khaak M4 , thats that.

[DeFragMe]

Just to show the huge potential this race has design wise

PS: its from an X3 mod

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while i did like the look of some of the ships in that modpack back in the days, sadly they somehow dont look like Khaak ships (at least most of them). Khaak ships always had some strong patterns in them. Usually on the smaller ships the Pyramid and on the bigger ships the Hexagon with symetric parts. Even the M6 holds true to that, since it is basically a mix of Big and small. It has its main body with Pyramid parts and the spinning symetrical part to look extra treathening.

The onlyst thing on khaak that i dont understand, is why the stations in X4 bascially where spheres (i dont know how they where called, so i call them spheres) with solid lines in them, to latter be changed into Pyramid design with connecting cables between them, just as if they where floating around, just held a bit together by the cables...
the new one looks better, but sadly there are no drones flying between the segments.

[Killjaeden]

The onlyst thing on khaak that i dont understand, is why the stations in X4 bascially where spheres (i dont know how they where called, so i call them spheres) with solid lines in them, to latter be changed into Pyramid design with connecting cables between them, just as if they where floating around, just held a bit together by the cables...
the new one looks better, but sadly there are no drones flying between the segments.

Khaak design in general always was inconsistent from the get go (X2)... Capital ships with their hexagon patterned body that was round, but with metal hexagon pattern (rivetted metal plates of all things) and weird because hexagons dont make a sphere if you dont distort/bend them... vs. fighters that where pure Geometrical forms with very little detail otherwise.
X3 made it worse with introducing the newer ships and stations that only semi decendly fitted.
And it looks like X4 just took the same fighters that still originate from X2 without updating them graphically... They are not the greatest lookers anymore. So i can see why they said "no the capitals are totally beyond acceptable". I expect/hope if we will see more khaak its going to be some expansion, and then with a design rework (hopefully consistent in design and true to their original form in a way that fits together properly).

I know its very difficult with khaak design and their consistency. I tried some stuff designwise, but ultimately you'd have to remake them from scratch if its supposed to be looking like it all belongs together. Did that because i wanted to make a nomadic khaak swarm mod for X3 where you play as khaak and via custom systems you mine ressources by letting big "hive" ships feed on asteroids ( + mobile miners for "catching smaller fish") and are required to move frequently as you eat empty the sectors - so i needed to model new ships that fitted with the rest. Project beached after 3-4 scripters who said they would do stuff, didnt do stuff.

Since XR the Xenon design got the same 'inconsistency treatment' unfortunately (and somehow became more organic looking stuff that would have fitted more with a hivemind insectoid behaviour - except for fighters which stayed true to the lovely toaster design). I hope they can do better for a khaak revamp. Keep the general shape but change the detail level, their materials etc to make more "scifi sense".

[DeFragMe]

Khaak design in general always was inconsistent from the get go (X2)... Capital ships with their hexagon patterned body that was round, but with metal hexagon pattern (rivetted metal plates of all things) and weird because hexagons dont make a sphere if you dont distort/bend them... vs. fighters that where pure Geometrical forms with very little detail otherwise.
X3 made it worse with introducing the newer ships and stations that only semi decendly fitted.
And it looks like X4 just took the same fighters that still originate from X2 without updating them graphically... They are not the greatest lookers anymore. So i can see why they said "no the capitals are totally beyond acceptable". I expect/hope if we will see more khaak its going to be some expansion, and then with a design rework (hopefully consistent in design and true to their original form in a way that fits together properly).

I know its very difficult with khaak design and their consistency. I tried some stuff designwise, but ultimately you'd have to remake them from scratch if its supposed to be looking like it all belongs together. Did that because i wanted to make a nomadic khaak swarm mod for X3 where you play as khaak and via custom systems you mine ressources by letting big "hive" ships feed on asteroids ( + mobile miners for "catching smaller fish") and are required to move frequently as you eat empty the sectors - so i needed to model new ships that fitted with the rest. Project beached after 3-4 scripters who said they would do stuff, didnt do stuff.

Since XR the Xenon design got the same 'inconsistency treatment' unfortunately (and somehow became more organic looking stuff that would have fitted more with a hivemind insectoid behaviour - except for fighters which stayed true to the lovely toaster design). I hope they can do better for a khaak revamp. Keep the general shape but change the detail level, their materials etc to make more "scifi sense".

well, i nveer player X2 much (i died way to easy in that game) back in the days, but i did play X3 alot, especialy x3R in the beginning (i found way later out that TC existed , something near Ap release since i didnt have steam back then).

but i think the Khaak back than, looked good and fitting. Especially i liked the Destroyer look and Carrier look (maybe thats why later i liked the M6 so much?)

but yes, especially in X:R and now X4 , they look completly off comparred to the other ships. They definitly need some love...^^

[Général Grievous]

hell yeah, unleash the Khaaks once again!

[shealladh]

The onlyst thing on khaak that i dont understand, is why the stations in X4 bascially where spheres (i dont know how they where called, so i call them spheres) with solid lines in them, to latter be changed into Pyramid design with connecting cables between them, just as if they where floating around, just held a bit together by the cables...
the new one looks better, but sadly there are no drones flying between the segments.

Khaak design in general always was inconsistent from the get go (X2)... Capital ships with their hexagon patterned body that was round, but with metal hexagon pattern (rivetted metal plates of all things) and weird because hexagons dont make a sphere if you dont distort/bend them... vs. fighters that where pure Geometrical forms with very little detail otherwise.
X3 made it worse with introducing the newer ships and stations that only semi decendly fitted.
And it looks like X4 just took the same fighters that still originate from X2 without updating them graphically... They are not the greatest lookers anymore. So i can see why they said "no the capitals are totally beyond acceptable". I expect/hope if we will see more khaak its going to be some expansion, and then with a design rework (hopefully consistent in design and true to their original form in a way that fits together properly).

I know its very difficult with khaak design and their consistency. I tried some stuff designwise, but ultimately you'd have to remake them from scratch if its supposed to be looking like it all belongs together. Did that because i wanted to make a nomadic khaak swarm mod for X3 where you play as khaak and via custom systems you mine ressources by letting big "hive" ships feed on asteroids ( + mobile miners for "catching smaller fish") and are required to move frequently as you eat empty the sectors - so i needed to model new ships that fitted with the rest. Project beached after 3-4 scripters who said they would do stuff, didnt do stuff.

Since XR the Xenon design got the same 'inconsistency treatment' unfortunately (and somehow became more organic looking stuff that would have fitted more with a hivemind insectoid behaviour - except for fighters which stayed true to the lovely toaster design). I hope they can do better for a khaak revamp. Keep the general shape but change the detail level, their materials etc to make more "scifi sense".

It was probably down to them using Win10 and had an update that wiped their designs Capital Ship DB clean.

Some new breath into races, and ship designs are definitely needed. They''re feeling empty and need some luv, not saying I want a Date with a Khaak Queen mind you

[DeFragMe]

It was probably down to them using Win10 and had an update that wiped their designs Capital Ship DB clean.

Some new breath into races, and ship designs are definitely needed. They''re feeling empty and need some luv, not saying I want a Date with a Khaak Queen mind you

if i wouldnt know how WIndows 10 is, i might not belive you, but this one sounds plausible.
And have you ever seen a Khaak? who knows how they look like... (at least i dont remember seeing them, just reading)

[Grimmrog]

bees can make a new Queen if the old one dies, Maybe the Kha'ak just need some time for this. So there could be a plot about them returning.

Guy, hear me out. What if the Xenon makes a big comeback... as anime girls? Just throwing it out there.

that would be great, while half the weebs fall victims to them the other parts of the universe can try to crusade against those zombies fallen to their waifus.

that feels like the plot of a great mod that kinda takes our real world into an X universe as a total parody approach.

[DeFragMe]

Guy, hear me out. What if the Xenon makes a big comeback... as anime girls? Just throwing it out there.

that would be great, while half the weebs fall victims to them the other parts of the universe can try to crusade against those zombies fallen to their waifus.

that feels like the plot of a great mod that kinda takes our real world into an X universe as a total parody approach.

well... we haven't seen earth in quite a while, who knows what happend back there. Maybe they now have mascots on each station/ship .. we dont know.... we will only know in the far future...

[Grimmrog]

Guy, hear me out. What if the Xenon makes a big comeback... as anime girls? Just throwing it out there.

that would be great, while half the weebs fall victims to them the other parts of the universe can try to crusade against those zombies fallen to their waifus.

that feels like the plot of a great mod that kinda takes our real world into an X universe as a total parody approach.

well... we haven't seen earth in quite a while, who knows what happend back there. Maybe they now have mascots on each station/ship .. we dont know.... we will only know in the far future...

given that people can marry waifu pillows and holograms already in japan, expextations aren't good for the future of earth. Could be that artificial Waifus have overtaken earth since mankind has extinct itself by the lack of offsprings.

[birdtable]

I think the Khaak have been given some love judging by beta patch 1.50.3 ……

[DeFragMe]

I think the Khaak have been given some love judging by beta patch 1.50.3 ……

then give the changelog , cant find it so fast , iam at work D:

[birdtable]

[Beta 3] Fixed Xenon and Kha'ak ships always having very bad pilots