Please oh please Egosoft!!!

[dtpsprt]

I'm running the Beta frantically, all said it's a good improvement on the 2.60 version.

Still, being the whiner I am I have some "complaints":

1. Why there is no more distance on the guidance point ? One of the most useful features gone.

2. In the lockbox missions, why should we click three times on the NPC to be done with it ?

3. The engine noise is WAY TOO MUCH , either reduce it yourselves or put a separate slider in the Sound Options.

4. OK the missions on v2.60 were paydirt but reducing them to 1/3 or 1/4 is too much. 1/2 would have been better. Not everyone is interested in mining you know, the restless souls that are all out for exploration don't have any other means to gain credits ....

5. If stations are to be built module by module (totally disagree) there should be a list of the necessary modules for each.

6, Finally, but not lastly, All this Landing Procedure !!! If anybody wanted to be parking his spaceship manually, they'd better go to Elite Dangerous with less equipment necessary and fully online. PLEASE either remove this thing completely (as it was in X Rebirth would be nice) or equip all ships with Docking Computer that works on M, L and XL ships just like in S ones. The Landing Fanatics will have the option to park their ships manually this way .

[Tomonor]

This isn't the beta forum, though.

[Gween]

6, Finally, but not lastly, All this Landing Procedure !!! If anybody wanted to be parking his spaceship manually, they'd better go to Elite Dangerous with less equipment necessary and fully online. PLEASE either remove this thing completely (as it was in X Rebirth would be nice) or equip all ships with Docking Computer that works on M, L and XL ships just like in S ones. The Landing Fanatics will have the option to park their ships manually this way .

Docking Computers exists. And you usually have enough money for Docking Computer MK2 after 10 minutes of gameplay. MK2 basically automatest the whole docking procedure

[CBJ]

2. In the lockbox missions, why should we click three times on the NPC to be done with it ?

Please be more specific here. Why do you have to click three times and to do what? A screenshot or short video might help.

4. OK the missions on v2.60 were paydirt but reducing them to 1/3 or 1/4 is too much. 1/2 would have been better. Not everyone is interested in mining you know, the restless souls that are all out for exploration don't have any other means to gain credits ....

Mission payouts were not reduced by anything like as much as you claim, and certainly not across the board. In fact the range of payouts was increased to reflect the time and effort you have to put into them. So while you may occasionally get a short, easy to complete but low-paying mission, others will pay significantly more.

5. If stations are to be built module by module (totally disagree) there should be a list of the necessary modules for each.

A list of the modules necessary for what? What you include in a station is up to you. Just about the only essential element is a docking module of some kind.

6, Finally, but not lastly, All this Landing Procedure !!! If anybody wanted to be parking his spaceship manually, they'd better go to Elite Dangerous with less equipment necessary and fully online. PLEASE either remove this thing completely (as it was in X Rebirth would be nice) or equip all ships with Docking Computer that works on M, L and XL ships just like in S ones. The Landing Fanatics will have the option to park their ships manually this way .

Well sorry, but we're not going to remove an important game feature that many players like just for you! And as the previous poster said, there is already a Docking Computer that does most of the work for you if you don't want to do it yourself.

[Buzz2005]

the lockbox missions part where you have to bring the parts back to some NPC in the bar, for each ware ( always 3) you have to start the conversation 3 times to give him each ware and after each ware the conversation ends

[Panos]

6, Finally, but not lastly, All this Landing Procedure !!! If anybody wanted to be parking his spaceship manually, they'd better go to Elite Dangerous with less equipment necessary and fully online. PLEASE either remove this thing completely (as it was in X Rebirth would be nice) or equip all ships with Docking Computer that works on M, L and XL ships just like in S ones. The Landing Fanatics will have the option to park their ships manually this way .

Docking computers exist, in addition you can always stand up from the seat and tell your pilot to land while doing something else or nothing at all.
Elite Dangerous doesn't have the option for AI dock your ship nor give it it orders do so from 10 systems away.

[dtpsprt]

This isn't the beta forum, though.

Couldn't find it!!!

[dtpsprt]

Docking computers exist, in addition you can always stand up from the seat and tell your pilot to land while doing something else or nothing at all.
Elite Dangerous doesn't have the option for AI dock your ship nor give it it orders do so from 10 systems away.

They exist but they don't work for anything bigger than S. And yes... I DO find this whole docking thing tiresome, boresome and out of the games context (oooops, forgot this is not the real X series continue that stopped in X3)

[dtpsprt]

the lockbox missions part where you have to bring the parts back to some NPC in the bar, for each ware ( always 3) you have to start the conversation 3 times to give him each ware and after each ware the conversation ends

And this sit well with whom? Useless waste of time and resources IMHO

[dtpsprt]

Please be more specific here. Why do you have to click three times and to do what? A screenshot or short video might help.

It can't be more specific than that. You have to deliver 3 goods to the same person at the same location and you have to repeat the procedure 3 times!!! EWWWW!!!

Mission payouts were not reduced by anything like as much as you claim, and certainly not across the board. In fact the range of payouts was increased to reflect the time and effort you have to put into them. So while you may occasionally get a short, easy to complete but low-paying mission, others will pay significantly more.

OK... lock box mission in 2.60 135K, in Beta 32K need a calculator?

A list of the modules necessary for what? What you include in a station is up to you. Just about the only essential element is a docking module of some kind.

More or less my point, maybe I am nostalgic of X3 where you got a bundle, like a solar power pant, a silicon mine, food factory etc. Can't fathom the need (or beauty) of wasting so much time in station design.

Well sorry, but we're not going to remove an important game feature that many players like just for you! And as the previous poster said, there is already a Docking Computer that does most of the work for you if you don't want to do it yourself.

Wasting 2 mins to align (the NPC, the player at least 1) your M, not dare mention the L and XL USING the Docking Computer!!! As I said, those that love parking manoeuvrers can get their fill in Elite.

BTW, what do you mean just for me? Am I the only one that has owned and played every X game till today? Make a MK3 and an MK4 Docking Computer but not say that I'm the only one to use it, especially trying to park under fire...

[dtpsprt]

Docking Computers exists. And you usually have enough money for Docking Computer MK2 after 10 minutes of gameplay. MK2 basically automatest the whole docking procedure

Only for S ships, it should be the same for the rest, bigger ones, if not completely removed altogether. Maybe they could make an M Docking computer and an L/XL? The price of it is not an issue anyway...

[Buzz2005]

Docking Computers exists. And you usually have enough money for Docking Computer MK2 after 10 minutes of gameplay. MK2 basically automatest the whole docking procedure

Only for S ships, it should be the same for the rest, bigger ones, if not completely removed altogether. Maybe they could make an M Docking computer and an L/XL? The price of it is not an issue anyway...

docking computer works on S and M ships, no aligning needed on both, just getting close

[Buzz2005]

the lockbox missions part where you have to bring the parts back to some NPC in the bar, for each ware ( always 3) you have to start the conversation 3 times to give him each ware and after each ware the conversation ends

And this sit well with whom? Useless waste of time and resources IMHO

nobody, im just helping cbj to see what you are talking about

btw lockbox mission are easy and should not be payed 135k, in beta if you have more rep it can get to 100k, other missions pay more
as stations building goes you can save layouts and have bundles across all saves, and this iteration of station building is the best by far, you dont like it? who cares

[CBJ]

It can't be more specific than that. You have to deliver 3 goods to the same person at the same location and you have to repeat the procedure 3 times!!! EWWWW!!!

You just were more specific. You didn't say anything about delivering multiple goods to the same person in your original post.

OK... lock box mission in 2.60 135K, in Beta 32K need a calculator?

If you're going to be rude then I won't bother with this conversation any further. You got a lower payout for one short, simple mission, because as I said, the payout range has been increased. It is not a general thing that mission rewards are all a fraction of what they were, which was your assertion.

More or less my point, maybe I am nostalgic of X3 where you got a bundle, like a solar power pant, a silicon mine, food factory etc. Can't fathom the need (or beauty) of wasting so much time in station design.

The ability to design station complexes, which is effectively what these are, was one of the most requested features by X3 players. You may find some nice station designs available as construction plans that you can download and add to your personal library if you really don't want to do it yourself.

Wasting 2 mins to align (the NPC, the player at least 1) your M, not dare mention the L and XL USING the Docking Computer!!! As I said, those that love parking manoeuvrers can get their fill in Elite.

BTW, what do you mean just for me? Am I the only one that has owned and played every X game till today? Make a MK3 and an MK4 Docking Computer but not say that I'm the only one to use it, especially trying to park under fire...

Why do you a) assume that people who played previous games all want to dock automatically and b) insist that those want to dock manually should play another game? Again, this was a feature that lots of people were interested in.

[Lord Crc]

Can't fathom the need (or beauty) of wasting so much time in station design.

Well I for one really appreciate the new station design. Gone are the days of producing excessive wares or being starved of a ware. Also tickles the puzzle-nerd in me, how to fit the modules efficiently.

[Scarletian]

Please be more specific here. Why do you have to click three times and to do what? A screenshot or short video might help.

It can't be more specific than that. You have to deliver 3 goods to the same person at the same location and you have to repeat the procedure 3 times!!! EWWWW!!!

Mission payouts were not reduced by anything like as much as you claim, and certainly not across the board. In fact the range of payouts was increased to reflect the time and effort you have to put into them. So while you may occasionally get a short, easy to complete but low-paying mission, others will pay significantly more.

OK... lock box mission in 2.60 135K, in Beta 32K need a calculator?

A list of the modules necessary for what? What you include in a station is up to you. Just about the only essential element is a docking module of some kind.

More or less my point, maybe I am nostalgic of X3 where you got a bundle, like a solar power pant, a silicon mine, food factory etc. Can't fathom the need (or beauty) of wasting so much time in station design.

Well sorry, but we're not going to remove an important game feature that many players like just for you! And as the previous poster said, there is already a Docking Computer that does most of the work for you if you don't want to do it yourself.

Wasting 2 mins to align (the NPC, the player at least 1) your M, not dare mention the L and XL USING the Docking Computer!!! As I said, those that love parking manoeuvrers can get their fill in Elite.

BTW, what do you mean just for me? Am I the only one that has owned and played every X game till today? Make a MK3 and an MK4 Docking Computer but not say that I'm the only one to use it, especially trying to park under fire...

You seem super rude. I don't even know why they help you.

[dtpsprt]

[You just were more specific. You didn't say anything about delivering multiple goods to the same person in your original post.

This is happening all the time and it's the only mission that does it, so really...
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If you're going to be rude then I won't bother with this conversation any further. You got a lower payout for one short, simple mission, because as I said, the payout range has been increased. It is not a general thing that mission rewards are all a fraction of what they were, which was your assertion.

Same goes to shooting mines, transferring people, Is it just that these missions have been characterised as Easy or Very Easy in the Beta while they were Medium in V2.60, some (i.e. 30 mines and 10 lock lockboxes) were characterized as Impossible? Still I still find 10 lock lockboxes in these missions in Beta (characterised as Easy or Very Easy) and the 30 mine amount still appears at great rate.

The ability to design station complexes, which is effectively what these are, was one of the most requested features by X3 players. You may find some nice station designs available as construction plans that you can download and add to your personal library if you really don't want to do it yourself.

Thanks for the info for the construction plans

Why do you a) assume that people who played previous games all want to dock automatically and b) insist that those want to dock manually should play another game? Again, this was a feature that lots of people were interested in.

I also said that there can be a real fast (and fully automated) Docking Computer for M, L, XL Ships. Then people have their choice, install it and be done with it or continue with the docking procedure. THAT would be a real step ahead of the aforementioned other game that I gladly gave up when X Universe came on

[dtpsprt]

nobody, im just helping cbj to see what you are talking about

btw lockbox mission are easy and should not be payed 135k, in beta if you have more rep it can get to 100k, other missions pay more
as stations building goes you can save layouts and have bundles across all saves, and this iteration of station building is the best by far, you dont like it? who cares

I did say that I can understand the lowering of the reward, not so much though (especially where the 10 lock lockboxes are concerned). As for the tediousness of it (having the conversation 3 times).

"The beauty is in the eye of the beholder" as far as building stations are concerned...

[surferx]

I'm running the Beta frantically, all said it's a good improvement on the 2.60 version.

Still, being the whiner I am I have some "complaints":

1. Why there is no more distance on the guidance point ? One of the most useful features gone.

2. In the lockbox missions, why should we click three times on the NPC to be done with it ?

3. The engine noise is WAY TOO MUCH , either reduce it yourselves or put a separate slider in the Sound Options.

4. OK the missions on v2.60 were paydirt but reducing them to 1/3 or 1/4 is too much. 1/2 would have been better. Not everyone is interested in mining you know, the restless souls that are all out for exploration don't have any other means to gain credits ....

5. If stations are to be built module by module (totally disagree) there should be a list of the necessary modules for each.

6, Finally, but not lastly, All this Landing Procedure !!! If anybody wanted to be parking his spaceship manually, they'd better go to Elite Dangerous with less equipment necessary and fully online. PLEASE either remove this thing completely (as it was in X Rebirth would be nice) or equip all ships with Docking Computer that works on M, L and XL ships just like in S ones. The Landing Fanatics will have the option to park their ships manually this way .

I gather that what you want is a completely immersion-less game(no engine noise, point and click station building like X3 and one click docking)- and the quick reward, instant gratification arcade game(reduced payouts.)
I'm fine with the improvements. They were needed to make the game enjoyable and something to become immersed in and enjoy. I have no interest in a game that has to be played "frantically" and "win" after a few hours of gameplay.

[taztaz502]

Most missions are pointless, i'm not doing any mission for less than 100k even then probably still not.

Within a few missions you're repped up anyway, i still to station build missions 16 mill+ or with the beta patch you can do defence missions that give you a free magnetar miner with decent crew and shields and the missions are easy as hell like satellites, mines or transport missions.

Fleet missions are pointless they cost more money than you make, i used to do these for a free magnetar but even then still not really worth it especially now with these new missions, i also find it weird that other factions also offer magnetar missions rather than their own factions ship.

But they're currently working on missions so hopefully they'll improve a lot in the next update and be more fun and actually worth doing.