[FEEDBACK] Should Liquid Storage Modules be renamed

[alt3rn1ty]

I brought this up in another topic as a bug but it's not really, so opening up a discussion as to what everyone feels ..

When going to buy Modules from race Representatives, there are "Liquid" Modules listed.

Personally I think it's confusing and could be better named.

I noted in the HQ that it required Containers for water, which does make sense if you think of bottled water.
However, when I went to a Representative they have "Liquid" storage modules listed, and I wondered if I needed them, so built about 9 Paranid Liquid storage .. Which never got used.

Reason being - Liquid storage in the game is used for Pressurised gas, which turns to liquid.

I am thinking along the lines of if the devs feel the need to change anything to make it less confusing for Noobs ( and those of us who should have remembered from previous X Games but forgot ) .. Then as little change to the name string as possible would probably be better :

"Teladi M Liquid Storage" would become ..

"Teladi M Liquid Gas Storage" or ..

"Teladi M Pressurised Storage"

Either of those last two makes more sense than calling anything for Gas just "Liquid"

I had a good search and lots of people logically think for Water storage they are going to need a module with Liquid in its title when they see it on a module list, until it is cleared up by someone in the know on the forum.

Though I dont know if changing it would cause any technical headaches / unforeseen circumstances for the Devs (or even modders)

Thoughts ?

[Raptor34]

Makes sense. Especially considering all the Liquids currently in game are liquefied gases anyway.
I favour Liquid Gas. Pressurized will just lead to similar problems anyway.

[Falcrack]

I do think they ought to be called gas as well. Liquid might cause confusion when people think water would be stored in it, when in fact it is stored in container storage. And everyone refers to the mining ships as gas miners, not liquid miners.

[Manawydn]

Vapor > Gas

I would be open to renaming it Vapor storage. Fancy.

[Nanook]

Except it's not stored as a gas/vapor, it's stored as a liquified gas/vapor. Also liquified ≠ pressurized, so you know. [pedantic hat off]

[sh1pman]

I like "Cryo Liquid" and "Liquefied Gas" names. Excludes water for obvious reasons and unambiguously points to helium, hydrogen and methane.

[Nort The Fragrent]

It’s all well and good for those who know the names , , Liquid storage ,, But its for Gas !
Those new to the game can be confused, I know I was.
I thought a Water factory would need liquid storage, as any one with a modicum of intelligence would!!
But no ! Water needs not liquid storage, but solid, and container. Confused I was at the beginning.
To the point of putting all three kinds of storage in a build just to cover my confusion.

Some smug remarks stating the facts, are from well seasoned ,,, I know er’s ,,.

The point is it is confusing, it is particularly confusing at the start.

I know now, yet the term ( liquid storage ) still seems an incomplete description for what is a requirement of its function.

Gas,

Its ( Gas storage ) , be it in liquid or vapour form.

[Nanook]

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Gas,

Its ( Gas storage ) , be it in liquid or vapour form.

Now you've done it again, forced my pedantic side to the fore. If a gas is in liquid form, it's a liquid, not a gas. And if you say the container contains gas, that means it's in gaseous form, not a liquid. To be clear, your mining ships collect the gas, but turn it into a liquid and then store it in liquified gas containers.

And btw, gas and vapour are synonymous in this context.

[Out, out damned pedantism ] Sorry.

I vote for the containers to be renamed liquified gas containers.

[Nort The Fragrent]

Hang on a minuet !

If they are ( liquified gas containers ), you would need some kind of restraint to keep the liquified containers from seeping away. Them being all liquified an all.
Thats being pedantic. !

[pref]

I know the solution.
It's future and all so why not just cool stuff further. Then we would only need solid containers.

We could still call them solidified liquefied gas to make it less confusing.

Edit: just realised you don't have to stop at the time of collection, if you follow the resource's history long enough you can even call it solidified liquefied gasified plasma.

[HBK]

"Pressurized" would be good.

"Liquid Gas" would be a decent alternate.

But "Gas" would be perfect really. Even if stored in liquid form, it’s still gas.

I don’t recall all the wares but it’s used to store methane hydrogen and helium at least. Those are usually known in their gas form (and should be found in gaz form in the emptiness of space).

While we’re at it, "Solid" storage could also be renamed "Mineral" storage. Even if it’s used to store ice, it’s less confusing than "Solid" as even for an old X player the difference between "Solid" and "Container" isn’t intuitive. It requires either some solid memory or a contained thinking process to recall which is which.

"Gas/Mineral/Container" would be way less confusing than "Liquid/Solid/Container" IMO.

[grapedog]

water doesn't get stored in liquid storage...

[pref]

"Liquid Gas" would be a decent alternate.
...
Even if stored in liquid form, it’s still gas.

Liquid gas is an oxymoron. And no it's liquid not gas in that case.
The point of the storage technology is that it can take the pressure to keep the substance in liquid form so you don't need a high volume for transportation. Liquid phase is the optimum in the context of required energy input vs volume.
Those containers aim for a liquid phase which is the point of the tech.

Another question is that it's space transportation so you might need extra heating to keep contents in liquid phase even on relatively lower pressure. So like below 10K hydrogen is a solid even on low pressure.
Unless those miners collect plasma which would be another phase - and in space that is probably the most common form not gas (especially near any star).

[HBK]

Liquid gas is an oxymoron. And no it's liquid not gas in that case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_gas

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[pref]

Liquid gas is an oxymoron. And no it's liquid not gas in that case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_gas

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

liquid != liquefied mate.

[Nanook]

Hang on a minuet !

If they are ( liquified gas containers ), you would need some kind of restraint to keep the liquified containers from seeping away. Them being all liquified an all.
Thats being pedantic. !

No, that's you being Penny and me being Sheldon.

I guess I could've said liquified-gas containers, eh?
However, general understanding of the term liquified gas containers is that of containers containing liquified gas, not containers made of liquified gas, Penny. Or, as Sheldon would do,

[alt3rn1ty]

I think Nort The Fragrants suggestion of just calling them Gas is the best suggestion so far.

Just replace Liquid with Gas in all the relevant named Modules

Simplifies it for less confusion, and less changing to do for the devs.

[Nort The Fragrent]

Penny gets the big tick

Gas it is then

All agreed.

[Morleond]

Most gasses are actually stored in their liquid form that's why they are liquid containers.

[leoriq]

"Teladi M Liquid Storage" would become ..

"Teladi M Liquid Gas Storage" or ..

I believe dev made the same mistake as you: there is no liquid gas, as @pref said, there is liquefied gas, therefore proper wording would be Liquefied Storage, and that would instantly give out that water doesn't goes there, as it can't be liquefied

But as we already have those ugly (Mineral) and (Gas) in ship names, it would be wise to rename Liquid Storage to Gas Storage and Solid Storage to Mineral Storage.
I don't care how the stuff is stored, actually, I only care about what kind of stuff there is.