Asgard Can't Kill Xenon Defense Platform

[MHDriver]

Yeah I know, how many times can we complain about this. I assigned my Asgard to kill a Xenon defense platform, no other defenders just a lone DP. Should be easy for Asgard right?? Uh, nope after an hour and half watching the Asgard sit off at distance firing the main batteries only, not the XL gun of course and missing 90% of every burst I just sent it back to dock. I guess this is what ES considers "balance." Didn't really matter what ship I sent to do the job, the result was the same.


https://youtu.be/xA6R_a5G1bc

[Imperial Good]

What rank was the captain of the Asguard? Out of interest.

What ship were you flying? Also out of interest.

[SunGod1]

That is odd.. I have to keep a muzzle on my Asgards or they will destroy everything on the map.

[MHDriver]

What rank was the captain of the Asguard? Out of interest.

What ship were you flying? Also out of interest.

The Asgard Captain is 5-Star

I was in a Havoc

[MHDriver]

That is odd.. I have to keep a muzzle on my Asgards or they will destroy everything on the map.

That seems to be what most players experience. So many variables in this game. Though even when playing out the Terran storylines the Spear of Odin and the other Terran Asgards never killed the Xenon shipyards or the Yaki station so who knows.

[Midnitewolf]

I don't know but there is just something wrong with expecting the Asgard to be an OOC instant "I will button". I refuse to use them and I am glad the AI the AI doesn't use them well.

[SunGod1]

I don't know but there is just something wrong with expecting the Asgard to be an OOC instant "I will button". I refuse to use them and I am glad the AI the AI doesn't use them well.

What? I have seen my NPC Cpt fire that death beam weapon at M ships... I am pretty sure she has hit a few as well.. what happends OOS... I have no idea.. but ships just blip out of existence.

[dtpsprt]

In all honesty people... the Asgard XL weapon kills a K in one shot, a station module also in 1. If the NPC's were to use it as it "should", especially OOS where accuracy is 100%, the game would have ended in less than 2h playtime with the extinction of all Xenon, Khaak, Yaki et all "bad guys".
Let this be a lesson to people shouting (brainlessly imho) about bigger guns... bigger ships... more sectors... and say nothing about AI improvements, QoL improvements, Mission (including rewards) improvements. This, of course, providing that people asking for such things (AI etc) will use their brains instead of their frustration in front of a mission to "make" their "wishlists"

[SunGod1]

3.0 a lever to move the world
4.0 a hammer to break the world

?????

[Imperial Good]

Some people have reported that captain skill allows them to keep distance better. Maybe the Asguard captain is too skilled and so is trying to push its weapon range too close to its limits? Could be possible given how little player testing 5 star captains have.

[jlehtone]

Uh, nope after an hour and half watching the Asgard sit off at distance firing the main batteries only, not the XL gun of course and missing 90% of every burst I just sent it back to dock.

If Asgard does fire its L guns, then the XL gun cannot cool down (after first shot).

I've been on the receiving end of XL, conveniently out of range of the puny L. NPC can and will use the XL then. Perhaps not as thoroughly as player, but still enough.

NPC sailing merrily into range of Gravitons was a regular topic before 4.0. Your captain was wise enough to use his range advantage, but still not smart enough.

[MHDriver]

Some people have reported that captain skill allows them to keep distance better. Maybe the Asguard captain is too skilled and so is trying to push its weapon range too close to its limits? Could be possible given how little player testing 5 star captains have.

Interesting point..

[flatbush71]

Some people have reported that captain skill allows them to keep distance better. Maybe the Asguard captain is too skilled and so is trying to push its weapon range too close to its limits? Could be possible given how little player testing 5 star captains have.

IG I use only 5-S on the As
I'm very pleased with the operational capabilities.
Its called utilization of combined forces.

[xWolfzx]

There is an issue with station targeting that ES is aware of. Out of curiosity what was your weapon groups for the asgard?

[grapedog]

Some people have reported that captain skill allows them to keep distance better. Maybe the Asguard captain is too skilled and so is trying to push its weapon range too close to its limits? Could be possible given how little player testing 5 star captains have.

I don't know for sure, but i feel this could be accurate. I have a number of Rattlesnakes and Osakas, highly modded, that are terrible at taking out much lower quality destroyers. Like serious issues.... and they're all 5 star

Ill get a notification of an SCA desteoyer, send one of my modded ships adter it, and then have to take over and do the actual kill... or else a ship with half the cruise speed will somehow get back into travel drive after being engaged... i just need my pilots to go in and attack.

[Maebius]

2 main guns aren't enough.
The Syn has 3 main guns and can't kill a station solo (tried it, promptly gave up....if it can, it will take forever)
vs a station, disable the main guns and let it only use the death ray... if the pilot doesn't suck, sometimes it's used when it's fully cooled down.
Sucky pilots use it half cooled down and if it's parked too far, it barely hits (seriously, what's that?)

OOS is a completely different issue.

[Pares]

Some people have reported that captain skill allows them to keep distance better. Maybe the Asguard captain is too skilled and so is trying to push its weapon range too close to its limits? Could be possible given how little player testing 5 star captains have.

I will never understand the decision to intentionally dumb down the already struggling AI. It is dumbfounding. 5 star captain AI algorithms should be the baseline, and skills should add extra capabilities to pilots, captains and managers, like increasing ships stats slightly, being able to control more ships in the fleet, etc., and not making him/her less retarded until he/she reaches 80 IQ at 5 stars.