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The framerate will drop with SETA active. It's unavoidable; the game is trying to run the universe simulation several times faster than normal! To a certain extent the same applies to a more populated game too, but the effect there should be limited unless you are in a particularly busy area.captainpac1200 wrote: ↑Sat, 30. Mar 19, 20:45I have noticed that as my universe becomes more populated the game begins to lag and is made worst during SETA.
captainpac1200 wrote: ↑Mon, 1. Apr 19, 20:39Thank you both for feedback.
I'm not mega savvy with tech so don't understand frame rate. I did use my graphics monitor overlay and in the very busy Faulty Logic Sector (owing to my industry) the rate drops to about a 11 which seems very slow. It has gone down to 2 in SETA!
I have owned all the X Games and they have always performed like this in busy sectors. My question is whether my computer spec limits performsnce or are the limitations within the game itself regardless of the PC Spec?
ledhead900 wrote: ↑Tue, 9. Apr 19, 11:06Not quite so obvious to blame the GPU, as I said games like this one benefits most from FAST multi-core CPU, Which is where INTEL would shine a 10 core current gen INTEL would score much higher in areas we want for this game, this is due as I said too the fact INTEL's physical cores on the chips complete tasks with a roughly 8% improvement of performance vs equiv AMD Ryzen (I expect this gap will close with ZEN 2 chips later this year 'can swap out ZEN 1 for ZEN 2 as they still use AM4 socket') which applies to every single task the CPU does it can do it a little bit faster, and with games like this where waiting for threads to free up is ultimately the main issue completing a task in CPU land = FPScaptainpac1200 wrote: ↑Mon, 8. Apr 19, 19:21Hi, thanks for such a detailed reply there are some really good ideas to consider there.
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In simple terms, it is as if there is too much detail on the screen at any given time then it causes lag. Is this, therefore, an insufficient graphics card?
However, this only works until you reach the performance limit of the engine then CPU cannot perform any better for FPS it just ensures better lowest frames per second.
Then we start talking about the GPU, now 1060 is recommended for this game but that is a recommendation to be safe it usually is better to have above recommended specs for a game depending on the game engine.
The reason why better is good in this case is that the game simply is not that well optimised in its current form so we need more power to make up the difference basically instead of rely on the game running well we overcome this issue with raw performance.
Obessive amounts of Detail in this SpoilerMods which can and did improve my frame rate a great deal.SpoilerShowTO answer your worries, your system is about as good as it likely will get without moving too a GPU such as the 1660Ti which would actually be a LOT better all round for you and in the <$500 price point they cost about as much as the old 1060 used too but as I said they come with speed of a 1070ti/1080 due the architecture and higher mem bandwidth, they are pretty much slowed down 2060's the card uses the same GPU tensor cores as in the 2080ti etc just it is a card designed to replace the mid-range line up of last year 1060ti-1070ti with a better card at same price point.
CPU I do not think is going to help much unless you can get the SPEED above 4.5ghz on all cores, which Ryzen is quite a pain to do so reliably on all cores because most of the Ryzens have 10 cores and they get hot when you begin to overclock them so make sure you are using a 120mm RAD or preferable 360mm 3 slot water cooling . But heat is not the limiting factor for Ryzen it is the memory, as like I said your memory speed will affect your CPU performance substantially with AMD.
I spoke to someone else, discussing performance as well and they had a Ryzen 2700x and suffer the same problem as you do.
The game crawls when the map is opened up for a lot of people, this comes down to engine optimisations and the fact that even the modern hardware is more than capable of handling the threaded tasks the game has reached its performance limitaions until further improvements are made to running of game scripts not to get to technical with that but reducing the script run time and improving the speed of equations whilst retaning close accuarcy for outcome would imrpove the performance of this game substantially, no amount of hardware can reliably fix it at least not until you start throwing the BIG money around into those dual socket motherboards and things like the i-9 extremes and such.
I mean take it from me,
Currently, I am running a third gen CPU/ Hardware, so take my advice as you will.
My-Specs
CPU: Xeon 1650v1 6core 12 thread (overclocked @4.5ghz all cores) 'albeit crazy voltage near 1.5v under water. gets VERY HOT else I could make it do 5ghz just it requires 1.56v and I am not game enough to run it that high for a heavily used machine'
Motherboard: Still rocking the GA-X79-UP4 (X79 chipset, 2011v0 socket)
GPU - 2x AMD RX 480 G1 Gaming variant cards (substantial boost to memory clocks, have not much luck with the core clocks, only one of these cards work for this game due to Dev decision to disable multi-gpu in Vulkan API)
RAM - G-SKill 16GB Duel Chan (I know shameful) 2300mhz (I know Sand-B does not like above 2000mhz memory unless you overclock)
PSU - smh this even need to be said, modern PSU do the job so well now any gold or above will do provided you exceed your recommended requirements for hardware consumption anyway it's an OCZ 2400watt Gold high-efficiency unit I paid less for it actually than a Corsair with lesser wattage and I know the stigma is to not have more power than you need but that was only IF the PSU had poor efficiency when not drawing enough of its capacity, this unit operates at 80+ per cent efficiency at just 10% load so it is actually being efficient even tho I only pull maybe 40% of its total capacity.
Display: Samsung Q-Dot 1080p Freesync 144hz Curved (actually WAY more important than most think, the display can bottleneck GPU if it cannot keep up with the refresh GPU has to wait, this adds latency, latency reduces the physical feel of smoothness and lowers your minimum fps, don't believe me? Google if monitors are important however they are most often overlooked in builds but do the most to your overall smoothness at the lowest frame rate end)
Well first things first, I Powershell scripted my life away to cut bloat from Windows 10 reducing a 182 running process system to just 123 processes 150 after everything is open and a lot is going on.SO how did I get the game working I guess is your next question -
Telemetry services are about as gone as they ever will be so the OS is not wasting its time trying to talk to Microsoft about my huge Hentia porn stash every few hours (jokes)
The other things I did were go into the game and these are things I learned from my trial and error when I had my 4 core CPU installed which simply was not providing enough threads to enjoy this game on release.
Shadows - OFF
Smooth Shadow - OFF
(common its a space sim you aren't going to notice this as you are spending most of your time in the map menu painstakingly setting up jobs, and I am sure you rather your 8-10 frames extra)
Glow - LOW or OFF (2-5 frames depends on GPU)
SSAO - Normal-High (OFF if stations still provide below 48 FPS consistently)
Draw DIstance - 44-60 (Recommended Min to Max value, why... below 44 you loose ship detail at close distances and above 60 does not add many details compared to cost of frames, seriously even at 60 thrusters fade away beyond 8km any higher and you start negatively impacting frame rate)
Effect Distance - ? (I dunno did not notice any effect if this was 0 or 100)
AA: - FXAA (you want SMAA or MSAA you will need a better GPU probably a 1070ti equiv or better a 2080/1080ti/ AMD Vega 64 as those methods are demanding on GPU has not effected of game performance just GPU has to do much more work.
Visual representation of my setup as of writing -
Everything else set however you like, the only exception is resolution size as the higher you set that the more taxing it is to render and the more memory on GPU you eat up.
Lastly
I did the same as you, I disabled everything to do with showing Trade values on the map, and station info, I don't need nor care about it for how I play anyway I don't freight stuff around the ships are all set to trade auto with me or I setup specific trade routes as req but really I don't care about trade management as long as they go bring me my MONAAYY! I rather am off forging my fleets of war and taking over empires than worrying about trade micro.
Limiting your probes and Sats can help, if you want to help the performance of the map screen etc you can install https://www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/4
Then you really only need 1 adv sat per sector and the other probes do their job then disappear and self clean up, bonus it comes with additional probes for various specific tasks like ping enemy movement only.
No Fog - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 1673263604 (net me 20 FPS so it does not lie lol)
No StarDust - https://www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/16 (unsure on performance impact I just did not like stardust)
I have to add that while my FPS was not better, updating every driver I could find on the motherboard (program drivereasy) It did remove stuttering when entering sector or getting near stations, its all much smoother aka noticeablecaptainpac1200 wrote: ↑Tue, 9. Apr 19, 18:45What a reply!! Thank you so much for taking the time to give such a detailed response. There is plenty in there that's going to help so many people with performance issues. Next time I'm looking to upgrade I think I'll be getting in touch as you clearly know your stuff!!
I did forget to mention that.. but you figured that out yourselfBuzz2005 wrote: ↑Tue, 9. Apr 19, 20:27I have to add that while my FPS was not better, updating every driver I could find on the motherboard (program drivereasy) It did remove stuttering when entering sector or getting near stations, its all much smoother aka noticeablecaptainpac1200 wrote: ↑Tue, 9. Apr 19, 18:45What a reply!! Thank you so much for taking the time to give such a detailed response. There is plenty in there that's going to help so many people with performance issues. Next time I'm looking to upgrade I think I'll be getting in touch as you clearly know your stuff!!
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