Split free and fallen families bug

[Mikenon]

Hi when i defend me from an Attack from the fallen Families, i lose Reputaion by the free Families. is this a bug or your intension? Pls answer from a Mod

thx

[Alan Phipps]

Three points that may apply:

1. FAF ships still masked as FRF anywhere will lose you FRF rep if attacked.

2. FAF ships in FRF space masked as a different faction may lose you rep with FRF on being attacked where FRF are friends or neutral with that faction.

3. FRF have Marauder, Pillager and Raider ships working as plunderers within their own territory which are genuinely owned by FRF (ie still FRF after being scanned).

[Mikenon]

i mean ships who call me to drop my warez, and then i kill them. they don't have frf when they die. defintiv fallen not free familie

[Alan Phipps]

Right, but you may be attacking/defending while they are still masked as another faction. They don't demask just to harrass and plunder but should do if they start firing. You have to scan them to reveal them before engaging them at all to avoid rep issues. (Yes, I know the impositions, difficulties and even impossibilities involved in that.)

What you can perhaps do is to set up fire control overrides (only return fire when fired upon, never fire, etc) and actions on harrassment (flee, comply/drop cargo, etc) for your traders such that the rep-loss situation might usually be avoided.

[Kawatora]

This seems really bad.

[Imperial Good]

I think the obvious was overlooked... FAF are friends with FRF as that is how FAF order ships from FRF.

Relation for FAF to FRF is +20.

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        <relation faction="freesplit" relation="0.1" />

Relation for FRF to FAF is +20.

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        <relation faction="fallensplit" relation="0.1" />

The scale is based on...

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Default Relation Ranges:
  self:          1.0  to  1.0
  member:        0.1  to  1.0
  friend:        0.01 to  1.0
  neutral:      -0.01 to  0.01
  adversary:    -0.1  to -0.01
  enemy:        -1.0  to -0.01
  killmilitary: -1.0  to -0.1
  kill:         -1.0  to -0.32
  nemesis:      -1.0  to -1.0
 

As such when you attack FAF in FRF space you are attacking a cose friend of theirs which is a hostile action. As such you lose reputation with FRF.

If you do not like this, I suggest siding with ZYA in the storyline. ZYA hate FAF and their police will ignore reports for their kills, like most other factions.