[MOD] Variety and Rebalance Overhaul (VRO) 4.x

[Shuulo]

A few days ago I had some update of the game, after which when using the mod, in a few minutes, i got freeze of game.

I'm not sure if this is specifically related to the update or if it's a conflict with another mod. However, when i disable mod, problem disappears.

if you have time to check whether an update is required for the mod, thanks in advance

hm, i dont have such problem at all, was playing just fine after b7
Are you using 2.0 version? (if not then you should) You said you disabled it, like, in ongoing save? its impossible to do with 2.0 version
When did you download last version form github?
Are you in Windows or Linux?

Anyone have same issue?

[Rastuasi]

Anyone have same issue?

I'll check tonight/tomorrow, I know on Linux, playing with 3.0 b6 I wasn't getting freezes while in the middle of paranid - HOP war. I've not played since 7 came out.

[020779]

Are you using 2.0 version? (if not then you should) You said you disabled it, like, in ongoing save? its impossible to do with 2.0 version

its 2.0 (disabled - i mean, i have just del. folder with mod and started new game)

When did you download last version form github?

Yesterday, i just did git clone https://github.com/Shuul/VRO.git

Are you in Windows or Linux?

it's windows 10 v.1903

mods used with:

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  TDM
  Player Owned Warehouses
  egosoft orange cursor
  fbl
  faction_fix_pack faction_fix_pack_catchup faction_fix_pack_econ_ai
  faction_fix_pack_econ_bal
  random supply
  randommine
  random trader
  alexalsp_open_map_x4
  axespimpmypaintjobs
  better_kill credit
  stationmule
  escape teleport
  fbb
  hq_02

[Shuulo]

mods used with:

hm, not sure really, I am also not familiar with all the mods you have installed, but i did not change anything in last week or so, so it must be beta 7. When your game freezes is it also new game or old save? Did you use VRO before without problem?

[Ragemaster9999]

Playing beta 7 with vro and focw and few other mods. Havnt had any problem or notice any issues aside from being new bugs introduced with b7.

[rosssack]

Playing beta 7 with vro and focw and few other mods. Havnt had any problem or notice any issues aside from being new bugs introduced with b7.

as above no problems

[Rastuasi]

Ran a 30 minute test in crowded space with no issues. Unfortunately no one was fighting so I need to test still with gun fire

[020779]

hm, not sure really, I am also not familiar with all the mods you have installed, but i did not change anything in last week or so, so it must be beta 7. When your game freezes is it also new game or old save? Did you use VRO before without problem?

I tested it on new game, and it goes well, no problems after few hours.

Problem was on old save.

i have used VRO before without problem.

Thanks for help

[Shuulo]

Good to hear it's resolved and thanks everyone for answers

[Ragemaster9999]

Good to hear it's resolved and thanks everyone for answers

Medium turrets seem really underpowered in 3.0 b7 with vro. Flak in particular is borderline useless. Had best luck with ciws and cyclone I think it's called? The turret that shoots red pulse laser that Is super fast projectile but low dmg.

Also is there anything that can be done to help the horrible ai when it is flying an argon behemoth? I notice it just spins around in circles aimlessly shooting its ppc turrets and never gets to use its main guns. It has problems trying to reposition in vanilla so maybe outside mod scope but figured I'd ask.

[Shuulo]

Medium turrets seem really underpowered in 3.0 b7 with vro. Flak in particular is borderline useless. Had best luck with ciws and cyclone I think it's called? The turret that shoots red pulse laser that Is super fast projectile but low dmg.

Also is there anything that can be done to help the horrible ai when it is flying an argon behemoth? I notice it just spins around in circles aimlessly shooting its ppc turrets and never gets to use its main guns. It has problems trying to reposition in vanilla so maybe outside mod scope but figured I'd ask.

M turrets usually have avarage DPS between S and M weapons, so I fel they are in good place. M flak will be updated a bit to hit more reliably.
As for behemoth circling, its heavily dependent on pilot morale, and its out of scope of the mod. I believe Mysterials faction fix makes it a bit better but im not totally sure, need to check.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

Are you using 2.0 version? (if not then you should) You said you disabled it, like, in ongoing save? its impossible to do with 2.0 version

its 2.0 (disabled - i mean, i have just del. folder with mod and started new game)

When did you download last version form github?

Yesterday, i just did git clone https://github.com/Shuul/VRO.git

Are you in Windows or Linux?

it's windows 10 v.1903

mods used with:

Spoiler

Show

• nopileosfortune
  TDM
  Player Owned Warehouses
  egosoft orange cursor
  fbl
  faction_fix_pack faction_fix_pack_catchup faction_fix_pack_econ_ai
  faction_fix_pack_econ_bal
  random supply
  randommine
  random trader
  alexalsp_open_map_x4
  axespimpmypaintjobs
  better_kill credit
  stationmule
  escape teleport
  fbb
  hq_02

Make you update faction_fix_pack faction_fix_pack_catchup faction_fix_pack_econ_ai
faction_fix_pack_econ_bal

To the download in Page 19 for Beta 3.0 B6 earlier version may cause freeze

[Drewgamer]

Hey Shuulo, first off wanted to say thanks for your work on this.

Small "bug":
Paranid Combat mk1 engines are straight worse than Paranid All-round mk 1 engines. Looks like you swapped the Speed/Acceleration/Boost Speed values of the two?

[Shuulo]

Hey Shuulo, first off wanted to say thanks for your work on this.

Small "bug":
Paranid Combat mk1 engines are straight worse than Paranid All-round mk 1 engines. Looks like you swapped the Speed/Acceleration/Boost Speed values of the two?

Yeah, seems to be the case, fixed for release version

[Warnoise]

I cant even get in range of xenon capitals without getting blasted in this mod

Considering xenon attacks with 3 Ks and 1 I, those thing cleaned a whole army of 10+ Ls, a bunch of M's and S's. They melt anything in seconds ;S

I literally got melted by xenon I from 20km. Since I am playing with nemesis, i am not nimble enough to dodge the infinite array of pretty fast projectiles, especially that OP beam.

Maybe im doing something wrong though so i will continue to experiment with weapons.

[Shuulo]

I cant even get in range of xenon capitals without getting blasted in this mod

Considering xenon attacks with 3 Ks and 1 I, those thing cleaned a whole army of 10+ Ls, a bunch of M's and S's. They melt anything in seconds ;S

I literally got melted by xenon I from 20km. Since I am playing with nemesis, i am not nimble enough to dodge the infinite array of pretty fast projectiles, especially that OP beam.

Maybe im doing something wrong though so i will continue to experiment with weapons.

Are you on 2.0 VRO taken from github? and not 1.96 version from steam/nexus? Xenons in 1.96 are a bit OP

Xenon I is kind of boss ship. The real secret to taking down I and Ks in VRO is a fleet of small ships (id say around 30-40 vs I to distract and kill turrets, and only then add some firepower with L ships). Also, M ships like nemesis are very powerful really but only with support (though nemesis is paper thin). Remember, there is no "best player ship" in game, so you as player is not so powerful anymore, rely on allies and fleet support more. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN K or I in one m ship as in vanilla. Factions will eventually gather enough fleet to take down an I, or if it will get close to stations they usually take him down as well. I hope you are playing with latest faction enhancer, it makes factions more clever in situations like this.
Be afraid of I, never approach it without substantial forces.
VRO in general requires different approach to warfare, try to forget what you learned in vanilla and find a suitable strategy , this is really point of VRO, to make things more engaging and not just spam 20 Nemesis and they kill everything.
(tip: gunships like Peregrine posses powerful plasma bombs that go through shields and can take down turrets in few hits, try to fly it personally against Ks and Is. If you prefer PAR ships, try M Rail Cannons or Rail repeaters to stay away from main guns as much as possible)

[Warnoise]

I cant even get in range of xenon capitals without getting blasted in this mod

Considering xenon attacks with 3 Ks and 1 I, those thing cleaned a whole army of 10+ Ls, a bunch of M's and S's. They melt anything in seconds ;S

I literally got melted by xenon I from 20km. Since I am playing with nemesis, i am not nimble enough to dodge the infinite array of pretty fast projectiles, especially that OP beam.

Maybe im doing something wrong though so i will continue to experiment with weapons.

Are you on 2.0 VRO taken from github? and not 1.96 version from steam/nexus? Xenons in 1.96 are a bit OP

Xenon I is kind of boss ship. The real secret to taking down I and Ks in VRO is a fleet of small ships (id say around 30-40 vs I to distract and kill turrets, and only then add some firepower with L ships). Also, M ships like nemesis are very powerful really but only with support (though nemesis is paper thin). Remember, there is no "best player ship" in game, so you as player is not so powerful anymore, rely on allies and fleet support more. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN K or I in one m ship as in vanilla. Factions will eventually gather enough fleet to take down an I, or if it will get close to stations they usually take him down as well. I hope you are playing with latest faction enhancer, it makes factions more clever in situations like this.
Be afraid of I, never approach it without substantial forces.
VRO in general requires different approach to warfare, try to forget what you learned in vanilla and find a suitable strategy , this is really point of VRO, to make things more engaging and not just spam 20 Nemesis and they kill everything.
(tip: gunships like Peregrine posses powerful plasma bombs that go through shields and can take down turrets in few hits, try to fly it personally against Ks and Is. If you prefer PAR ships, try M Rail Cannons or Rail repeaters to stay away from main guns as much as possible)

I am using the github version. My issue here is that small ships are doing a bad job at killing turrets. They rarely target them so they just end up hitting the main body. In the end i simply run away from xenon I because even whhen distracted whenever i hit it, it kinda focuses on me and blasts me away in seconds. I think this is issue with AI being useless at targeting surface elements than the mod though

[Shuulo]

I cant even get in range of xenon capitals without getting blasted in this mod

Considering xenon attacks with 3 Ks and 1 I, those thing cleaned a whole army of 10+ Ls, a bunch of M's and S's. They melt anything in seconds ;S

I literally got melted by xenon I from 20km. Since I am playing with nemesis, i am not nimble enough to dodge the infinite array of pretty fast projectiles, especially that OP beam.

Maybe im doing something wrong though so i will continue to experiment with weapons.

Are you on 2.0 VRO taken from github? and not 1.96 version from steam/nexus? Xenons in 1.96 are a bit OP

Xenon I is kind of boss ship. The real secret to taking down I and Ks in VRO is a fleet of small ships (id say around 30-40 vs I to distract and kill turrets, and only then add some firepower with L ships). Also, M ships like nemesis are very powerful really but only with support (though nemesis is paper thin). Remember, there is no "best player ship" in game, so you as player is not so powerful anymore, rely on allies and fleet support more. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN K or I in one m ship as in vanilla. Factions will eventually gather enough fleet to take down an I, or if it will get close to stations they usually take him down as well. I hope you are playing with latest faction enhancer, it makes factions more clever in situations like this.
Be afraid of I, never approach it without substantial forces.
VRO in general requires different approach to warfare, try to forget what you learned in vanilla and find a suitable strategy , this is really point of VRO, to make things more engaging and not just spam 20 Nemesis and they kill everything.
(tip: gunships like Peregrine posses powerful plasma bombs that go through shields and can take down turrets in few hits, try to fly it personally against Ks and Is. If you prefer PAR ships, try M Rail Cannons or Rail repeaters to stay away from main guns as much as possible)

I am using the github version. My issue here is that small ships are doing a bad job at killing turrets. They rarely target them so they just end up hitting the main body. In the end i simply run away from xenon I because even whhen distracted whenever i hit it, it kinda focuses on me and blasts me away in seconds. I think this is issue with AI being useless at targeting surface elements than the mod though

Still I successfully kill I with 5 destroyers and a small fleet of fighters, maybe weapon choice is not the best, try to equip destoyers with something long range, cruise missiles and heavy lances for example.
Cruise missiles can obliterate surface elements. You can also try fighters with torpedo/gudided and load some medium missiles/torpedoes. But dont forget to equip at least one normal weapon, as there is an AI issue that fighters only with launchers tend to not shoot often.

[Shuulo]

@ALL, DO NOT LOAD AND SAVE YOUR pre-DLC SAVES UNTIL VRO IS UPDATED. Or split ships will be screwed with not internal shields and no weapons on fighters/corvettes.

[SWAT400]

Can i use the current VRO 2.0 form github to start a NEW game (Split Vendetta Start)? Or should i wait?

NVM, it seems VRO on github is updated as it says "2.0 FUll RELEASE" - 6 minutes ago