Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by Karvat » Tue, 6. Apr 21, 22:08

This thing that you can't stop a war/a consequence you have triggered trough a plot, after hours and hours of insane effort to trigger it, is indeed absurd.
In my game, i started the war between Ant and Ter because Ter were stuck, literally stuck in Getsu fune, with the one way accelerator in Savage Spur they're stuck, they have no way to expand in the X Universe, and after triggering the war i realized that there was no war: Ter just completely annihilated Ant in a second.

At some point it was so unbalanced that i decided to restart the game, and when i realized that i had to lose all the progresses done that far i just stopped playing.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by Karmaticdamage » Wed, 7. Apr 21, 04:06

The terrans have an economy closer to the xenons in simplicity and their shipyards never need resources. They will decimate the ANT/ARG without player intervention if you put them at war in the plot.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by Raptor34 » Wed, 7. Apr 21, 07:09

Battlefront wrote:
Tue, 6. Apr 21, 21:48
ANT would really need ARG military support, i have no idea where ARG is fighting at all. They seem to chill their lives.
Going by my games, probably sniping random ZYA stations if they aren't dying themselves.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by budforceuk » Sat, 10. Apr 21, 08:43

Hi sorry to jump in this thread, but...

to simplify the results:

1. Side with Terran and, Ant/ARG just dont trade with each other anymore, but no further consequences?

2. Side with ANT, big war.

3. Destroy data, no changes.

That correct?

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by LandogarX4 » Sat, 10. Apr 21, 16:48

Karmaticdamage wrote:
Wed, 7. Apr 21, 04:06
The terrans have an economy closer to the xenons in simplicity and their shipyards never need resources. They will decimate the ANT/ARG without player intervention if you put them at war in the plot.
That's what I expected. However, in my game there's nothing more than a few border skirmishes. Terrans simply aren't using their fleets to move into ANT territory. Occasionally, the AI sends 1 unsupported (!, no fighters) Tokyo through the gate. I never before realized just how bad the faction AI is. Whoever is responsible for AI programming should take a look at what modders do. Mindboggling that hobbyist modders can do a better job.
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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by jlehtone » Sat, 10. Apr 21, 17:38

LandogarX4 wrote:
Sat, 10. Apr 21, 16:48
Terrans simply aren't using their fleets to move into ANT territory. Occasionally, the AI sends 1 unsupported (!, no fighters) Tokyo through the gate. I never before realized just how bad the faction AI is.
Is that a state after some plots? Or the initial state?

Initial state TER do send "Intervention Corps" Tokyo (followed by ~36 Gladius/Kukri) or Asgard (followed by 1-2 Osaka, ~12 Falx, and ~24 fighters) regularly. Their destination is some Xenon sector. The escorts might be a bit behind, but tend to catch up by Getsu. Or so it was before continuous TER losses that have drained their stocks. :roll:
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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by LandogarX4 » Sat, 10. Apr 21, 18:54

jlehtone wrote:
Sat, 10. Apr 21, 17:38
LandogarX4 wrote:
Sat, 10. Apr 21, 16:48
Terrans simply aren't using their fleets to move into ANT territory. Occasionally, the AI sends 1 unsupported (!, no fighters) Tokyo through the gate. I never before realized just how bad the faction AI is.
Is that a state after some plots? Or the initial state?

Initial state TER do send "Intervention Corps" Tokyo (followed by ~36 Gladius/Kukri) or Asgard (followed by 1-2 Osaka, ~12 Falx, and ~24 fighters) regularly. Their destination is some Xenon sector. The escorts might be a bit behind, but tend to catch up by Getsu. Or so it was before continuous TER losses that have drained their stocks. :roll:
That is after the plot that starts the ANT/TER war. Yes. the intervention corps dudes still fly through The Void with Tokyo+escorts but dont engage the ANT forces unless directly in the way. In addition to that, the TER also send one sole Tokyo to attack ANT forces in The Void.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by jlehtone » Sat, 10. Apr 21, 19:29

"Patrol" Tokyo? Arrogant fools. (Aka typical AI.) Tokyo with missile turrets can do some damage, but that is a short joy.

I'm still at the initial state. I had altercation with the TER, and they lost their only Admin module in Belt. ANT, though not at war, did seize the void while the TER did rebuild. I just erased the TER again, so now Belt is officially ANT property. I have a feeling that this will not be the last administrative mishap in Sol. :twisted:
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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by Karmaticdamage » Sun, 11. Apr 21, 15:24

Asgards are almost unstoppable in OOS combat. In my game a single Ter asgard rolled into argon prime, destroyed their entire defense fleet, and then leveled their wharf.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by Raptor34 » Sun, 11. Apr 21, 16:50

Karmaticdamage wrote:
Sun, 11. Apr 21, 15:24
Asgards are almost unstoppable in OOS combat. In my game a single Ter asgard rolled into argon prime, destroyed their entire defense fleet, and then leveled their wharf.
Same but for Xenon.
I checked their loadouts and they are doing that damage with all Beam turrets. Ridiculous frankly. But well, that's ATF tech for you.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by grapedog » Sun, 11. Apr 21, 23:46

Terrans start the game like a cocked and locked AK47, ANT/ARG start with 3 rounds missing from their wheel gun...

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by flatbush71 » Sun, 18. Apr 21, 16:41

mr.WHO wrote:
Thu, 25. Mar 21, 22:45
CoH DLC added additional step after Paranid unification, so who knows - maybe next DLC would add additional step to Terran-Argon war.

I rather like how X4 plots eveolved to multiple ending combinations. It really adds to butterfly effect of each gamelay - something that I haven't experinced in previous X-series games.
I agree completely.
I saved and copied the saves at the decision points.
So I can go different paths again easily.
I'm not going to do all those missions over and over to get to that point every time.
It just too frustrating

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by LandogarX4 » Mon, 19. Apr 21, 17:52

LandogarX4 wrote:
Sat, 3. Apr 21, 13:43
In my game the "war" between ANT and TER looks like this: ANT are suiciding their ships into Getsu Fune's heavy TER forces. That's it. TER are completely passive and don't move into The Void anymore. So for anyone hoping to prompt TER expansion, this is not what you are looking for. A total stale snoozefest like the rest of the 4.0 universe.

EDIT: It gets even worse. Now ANT are building defense stations in Getsu Fune unopposed. There are a dozen or so TER destroyers in the sector, but they do not attack the builders nor the stations. The faction AI is such silly, immersion-breaking crap.
Update: After I destroyed all ANT defense stations in The Void myself, the TER immediately moved patrol forces (plenty of destroyers, katanas, carriers) into the sector and started destroying ANT/ARG military ships and all remaining stations. They even attack Antigone Memorial now on their own. So it seems the TER faction logic was bugged in my game, and I needed to switch them back on with the change of ownership in The Void. Just sharing in case someone encounters the same issue.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by paraskous » Mon, 19. Apr 21, 19:32

TER annihilated anything in Getsu rampaged through the Void and seem happy to join the fights in 2nd comtact.
They dont seem particularly interested in the Void but build new stations

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by Ezarkal » Wed, 21. Apr 21, 01:06

Quick question here:
I own Getsu Fune.
If I trigger the TER/ANT war, I do expect them to happily go ham on each other within my own space. This is fine.
Should be good for my economy, especially since I plan to plant down a shipyard able to build every one of each faction's ships. 8)

Question is, will they skip Getsu Fune and start to push into enemy territory even without border continuity?
Ok, let's face it: Will TER take over The Void? Cause I don't see how ANT could take over the Asteroid Belt. :D
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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by paraskous » Wed, 21. Apr 21, 15:26

Ezarkal wrote:
Wed, 21. Apr 21, 01:06
Quick question here:
I own Getsu Fune.
If I trigger the TER/ANT war, I do expect them to happily go ham on each other within my own space. This is fine.
Should be good for my economy, especially since I plan to plant down a shipyard able to build every one of each faction's ships. 8)

Question is, will they skip Getsu Fune and start to push into enemy territory even without border continuity?
Ok, let's face it: Will TER take over The Void? Cause I don't see how ANT could take over the Asteroid Belt. :D
TER took the Void in my game. And push into Flashpoint, but not too determined. Good action there though. Gtsu Fune was terran within minutes. The Void didn't take long - they had bases there already.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by Ezarkal » Wed, 21. Apr 21, 17:21

paraskous wrote:
Wed, 21. Apr 21, 15:26
Ezarkal wrote:
Wed, 21. Apr 21, 01:06
Quick question here:
I own Getsu Fune.
If I trigger the TER/ANT war, I do expect them to happily go ham on each other within my own space. This is fine.
Should be good for my economy, especially since I plan to plant down a shipyard able to build every one of each faction's ships. 8)

Question is, will they skip Getsu Fune and start to push into enemy territory even without border continuity?
Ok, let's face it: Will TER take over The Void? Cause I don't see how ANT could take over the Asteroid Belt. :D
TER took the Void in my game. And push into Flashpoint, but not too determined. Good action there though. Gtsu Fune was terran within minutes. The Void didn't take long - they had bases there already.
My question is will Terran push into the void even if it is not contiguous to their sector. They can't own Getsu Fune unless they take it from me, an that won't happen unless I simply choose to deconstruct my admin modules. So will they just skip me and keep pushing, or will my owning of the sector stop them from expanding.
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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by jlehtone » Wed, 21. Apr 21, 17:52

Ezarkal wrote:
Wed, 21. Apr 21, 17:21
My question is will Terran push into the void even if it is not contiguous to their sector.
So far all accounts have been that NPC can invade only their neighbours. People have used that to confine factions all along.


I have not done plots, so ANT-TER is still -15. When some harm did come to TER Admin modules in Belt, the ANT did swiftly build in Belt. They were quick enough (or the Terran rebuild efforts met hot plasma) and Belt is now ANT without any war. Alas, when TER admins in Jupiter did meet the same fate, the ANT did not seize the opportunity. Ah well, we can try again. And again. And ...
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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by Raptor34 » Wed, 21. Apr 21, 20:50

jlehtone wrote:
Wed, 21. Apr 21, 17:52
Ezarkal wrote:
Wed, 21. Apr 21, 17:21
My question is will Terran push into the void even if it is not contiguous to their sector.
So far all accounts have been that NPC can invade only their neighbours. People have used that to confine factions all along.


I have not done plots, so ANT-TER is still -15. When some harm did come to TER Admin modules in Belt, the ANT did swiftly build in Belt. They were quick enough (or the Terran rebuild efforts met hot plasma) and Belt is now ANT without any war. Alas, when TER admins in Jupiter did meet the same fate, the ANT did not seize the opportunity. Ah well, we can try again. And again. And ...
Not completely true. It seems the check is not sector ownership, assuming of course its your sector at least, but whether they have an admin module in the intervening sector.
I've took Tharka's Cascade, the lower one, and yet ZYA pushed on to the upper Tharka's Cascade too because they had admin centers in the preceding sector.
Also it seems that you have to kill all the defense stations to prevent them from rebuilding, of course I might be wrong but it seems that ARG ships blew up one of the 2 defense stations and they rebuilt it. Or at least it seemed to be in a different location.

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Re: Terran vs Argon/Antingone war

Post by jlehtone » Wed, 21. Apr 21, 21:30

Raptor34 wrote:
Wed, 21. Apr 21, 20:50
Not completely true. It seems the check is not sector ownership, assuming of course its your sector at least, but whether they have an admin module in the intervening sector.
I've took Tharka's Cascade, the lower one, and yet ZYA pushed on to the upper Tharka's Cascade too because they had admin centers in the preceding sector.
Ok.
1. You have ownership of Cascade XV
2. ZYA contests your claim of XV
3. ZYA can now contest Cascade XVII, because they have admin at neighbor

The question is then all about 2: can/will TER contest Getsu from player? If enemies, then definitely yes.

Is it possible that sectors like Tharka's Cascades have "special rules", because they are "within same hex"? They do have special rules for travel.
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