[3.20] Strange map / info-pane malfunction/freeze, only in a specific sector - Explained and devs on the case.

[exogenesis]

When I have the map showing, & only when I have TrueSight (in the south west) within the map zoom area,
the left 'Show Objects' pane doesn't 'work' - it doesn't update, & when toggled off then on again it doesn't show at all.

Left clicking on any ship in that sector doesn't select it, or show any info in the pane,
but I can right click an object & get the menu which works OK (e.g. 'show guidance to object' etc).

As soon as that sector is outside the zoom area, the show object pane works again
(at least as soon as you click in some sector, & then it acts normally).


Is there some 'invalid object' in that sector, which aborts the info-pane update or something ?

Game is 'modified', but no mods installed - just a save-game edit to make Xenon friendly.

http://www.Exogenesis.co.uk/save_004.xm ... eFreeze.gz

[exogenesis]

PS forgot to say that the malfunction only occurs when TrueSight has been zoomed-in to a point where you can see the ships,
before that zoom level objects (stations) can be selected & show as selected.

[florianlt]

There is a ship that has no faction defined (Theseus Sentinel (JHC-728)). This is not supposed to happen, could your edit of the save have caused this?

[exogenesis]

I haven't edited any ship names/factions or anything like that,
just changed the 'relations' numbers at the top of the save file
(Xenon/Player = 1, rather than -1)

I'll have to track that ship down & see what it's doing (or not)...

[exogenesis]

I can reproduce the exact point & conditions at which the ship Theseus Sentinel (JHC-728) becomes Owner = '???'

Just before it changes, it was 'Produced by Dukes Buccaneers' & owned by HOP.

The point at which it changes is when it's squad leader is destroyed
(I guess by a pirate in the original game flow, or by me to reproduce this).

Had to trawl save-games back to February (well before any save-game mods)
to find two games that stradled this situation (no problem/problem)

Is it worth posting the save games & actions/conditions to reproduce this,
or do you want to 'sticky plaster' the actual problem (object list not updating)
by (I guess) ignoring ownerless ships somehow ?

I assume this must be a rare condition, can't remember it being posted about before,
so don't know how much effort you want to put into it

[CBJ]

It would be interesting to see before and after saves for the ownership change, with exact steps to show how you got from one to the other.

[exogenesis]

I've created a couple of 3.30 beta saves that are before & after Theseus Sentinel (JHC-728) becomse 'Owner ???'

In the first save Theseus Sentinel (JHC-728) is 'Owner HOP' (& is set as 'show path to object'),
the nearby Aeres IDA-857 is the squad leader, with one other escort.

If you destroy the squad leadr ship (& boost away - half a chance of getting killed)
then JHC-728 becomes 'Owner ???', as in the second save.

(I don't know if there might be other causes of the same effect)

But...the Object List is not 'locking' in 3.30 beta anymore,
I assume that has already been fixed - that was quick

http://www.Exogenesis.co.uk/save_002_72 ... ESS.xml.gz

http://www.Exogenesis.co.uk/save_003_72 ... ESS.xml.gz

[BurnIt!]

I've tried your saves with the current public beta as well as our internal version and I cannot reproduce the issue I'm afraid.
After destroying the squad leader the JHC-728 ship is still owned by HOP.

Loading the "it's already broken" save I also see that ship as being owned by HOP still. What am I missing?
I looked directly at the save_003-file and there as well I do see

Code: Select all

code="JHC-728" owner="holyorder"

Can anybody else reproduce the problem using these saves?

[florianlt]

If you destroy the squad leadr ship (& boost away - half a chance of getting killed)
then JHC-728 becomes 'Owner ???', as in the second save.

This seems to be a misunderstanding. Due to the reputation loss from the attack you lost the "Information unlocked" status that was granted from the allied reputation with HOP. So the ship has no unlocked info now and that's why the menu shows ??? instead of HOP. We are discussing this mechanism internally.

So it sadly looks like you did not reproduce the missing owner with these actions.

[exogenesis]

Thanks for testing,
I didn't realise you get 'Owner ???' when you fire on a ship & lose all rep. with it.

I thought that was the indication of 'no owner set' (rather than Faction:Ownerless) that florianlt mentioned in a post above.

That has confused this report a bit.

Two things then:

1. Here are the original files from February that stradled the ObjectList malfunction
(in v3.20, but in v3.3b1 it seems to work OK)

No ObjectList problem :
http://www.Exogenesis.co.uk/save_010.OW ... ENT.xml.gz


ObjectList malfunctions (in 3.20):
http://www.Exogenesis.co.uk/save_001_OW ... ENT.xml.gz


2. Was there a proactive fix for the ObjectList with regards to this specific situation in v3.3b1 ?

I would like to re-test in 3.2,
so how would I go back to 3.2 after updating to the beta
- is it as simple as just signing out of beta testing & re-run X4 ?

[florianlt]

2. Was there a proactive fix for the ObjectList with regards to this specific situation in v3.3b1 ?

Yes, the menu was bulletproofed agaisnt this thing. We are of course still interested in the cause.

- is it as simple as just signing out of beta testing & re-run X4 ?

Yes, exactly like that.

[exogenesis]

OK thanks,
I'm back in 3.20, but no luck yet in observing the switch to the problem state,
will keep trying...