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Hello!

So, the Pirate Carrack seems to be one of the most terrible M7 to bring down. I've tried bringing heavy missiles like the Firestorm Torpedo, but their turrets either bring me down or destroy the missile before reaching it... So, what kind of Commonwealth Missile do you recommend on mounting on an M6 to bring down this devil's instrument of destruction?

Thanks!

If you are not bothered by cost? Typhoon missile. followed by Tempest or Thunderbolt

Or perhaps get in below 10KM use cheap Wasps to distract the turrets then use heavier missiles to bring it down. All those Wasps seem to increase the chance of the heavier missiles getting through. Or that is how it seemed to be.

Skism wrote:If you are not bothered by cost? Typhoon missile. followed by Tempest or Thunderbolt

Let's say that almost any cost pays for bringing a Carrack down...

I've used to do it on a Springblossom, but I haven't finished the Terran Plot on my recent game yet... Thanks I'll give it a try!

greypanther wrote:Or perhaps get in below 10KM use cheap Wasps to distract the turrets then use heavier missiles to bring it down. All those Wasps seem to increase the chance of the heavier missiles getting through. Or that is how it seemed to be.

Thanks!

Problem is that the different speeds seem to need you to calculate very well the timing of what to launch what,,,

Not necessarily so, Wasps are cheap, launch in groups of three, then the heavy, rinse and repeat. The wasp does not instant hit, which leaves a lot of missiles out there. Remember also that the Wasp is swarm. Worked for me anyway. Are you playing TC or AP? Only asking because missile defence is much better in AP.

greypanther wrote:Not necessarily so, Wasps are cheap, launch in groups of three, then the heavy, rinse and repeat. The wasp does not instant hit, which leaves a lot of missiles out there. Remember also that the Wasp is swarm. Worked for me anyway. Are you playing TC or AP? Only asking because missile defence is much better in AP.

Ok thanks I'll give it a try!

I'm playing TC, sorry... Updated Topic's Subject now

The Typhoon is an excellent missile - in fact every commonwealth capital I have ever owned I put Typhoon and wasps on it gotta love swarm missiles. although enemy counter shots destroy several missiles of a Typhoon wave - Personally I would advise using both unless you are prepared to mass spam typhoons - nothing survives that not unless you have absolute hordes of khaak

it is quite a good technique Greypanther describes - I would suggest hornets as your companion in that case.

Just used the Typhoons... Beautiful!

Brought down that damn Carrack... Can I manufacture these?


Edit: Just saw that I can...
Good... Good...

Yes you can and I agree with Skism, they are the ones I use most along with Hornets and Wasps.

Well, it took me some hundreds of credits... But nothing is more beautiful than these damn Carracks blowing up!

Next time I'll try using Wasps too... Make a Complex manufacturing both... Or just wait for my Springblossom! ^_^

Cost-wise, you can't beat the Tornado Missiles - 400K damage over 8 separate warheads, for about 10K credits. They don't turn though (the 8 submunitions fire sequentially), so you'll need to aim carefully and be reasonably close to your target, but there's much less worry about them being shot down before they arrive.

Plus, if you like humiliation value, the Mistral Freighter can fire them - nothing like killing a capital ship with a TS.

If you care about missile hit rate, Tempest is the best choice.

If you don't bother using a weakness in the game code, I have another strategy: Otherwise, you should go with Typhoon missiles.

best regards,
Rhox

estevesbk wrote:....Problem is that the different speeds seem to need you to calculate very well the timing of what to launch what,,,

This is why using such a tactic is so rewarding! Calculating missile speeds, ranges and how fast different flights of missiles will overtake your target is one of your jobs as a seasoned combat commander!

It's a very rewarding gameplay experience, in my opinion. Whenever I do this succesfully, and I always try to, I get a big rush knowing that through my knowledge of weapons systems, I was able to get a kill. It wasn't that I simply "pushed a button" and "ship go boom!" The far more rewarding experience is calculating that sort of thing while your avoiding enemy fire and then seeing it pay off with a huge "ship go boom!"

We can all be Captain Ramius!

Hornets, typhoons and wasps are the only missiles i produce - if ya can't kill it with them you need an M7M with flails/hammers

Carrack has 2gj shield, which is only a double of a katana.
To bring down two katanas, Mamba vanguard is enough.
So get mamba and save before attempting.

How does the shield recharge rate of Carrack compare to that of Katana?

Can one launch an FS without a target? If yes, then they won't see it coming. Computing firing solution is an easy "exploit" too.

Tohron wrote:Plus, if you like humiliation value, the Mistral Freighter can fire them - nothing like killing a capital ship with a TS.

I love the humiliation value!

This Pirate Carrack seems to be getting on my nerves... Tough ship to kill. It took me some time to figure out how to to that on a Springblossom (Using Ammo-Based Weapons was THE choice back then)

Anything a Discoverer can fire too?


Thanks @Rhox but as much as I want them to be destroyed, I'm not comfortable to use this "exploit"... But I'll keep that in mind, always good to know!

Morkonan wrote:

estevesbk wrote:....Problem is that the different speeds seem to need you to calculate very well the timing of what to launch what,,,

This is why using such a tactic is so rewarding! Calculating missile speeds, ranges and how fast different flights of missiles will overtake your target is one of your jobs as a seasoned combat commander!

It's a very rewarding gameplay experience, in my opinion. Whenever I do this succesfully, and I always try to, I get a big rush knowing that through my knowledge of weapons systems, I was able to get a kill. It wasn't that I simply "pushed a button" and "ship go boom!" The far more rewarding experience is calculating that sort of thing while your avoiding enemy fire and then seeing it pay off with a huge "ship go boom!"

We can all be Captain Ramius!

Wow that's a nice movie, I'll watch!

You're making an excellent point... I think I was just too eager to bring down the Carrack... My hatred blinded me, shame on me!

I remember when it was the first time I brought down a M7 using a M3 firing on its blind spot... Having to match always the heading and the speed to not get out of the blind spot. A little too quick and I would crash into it. A little too slow and the turrets would get me. Seeing that thing explode later was one of the most rewarding experiences I had on X3!

(But it was a Xenon Q, not a Carrack... I think the Xenon Q was sent by the devil to annoy us OOS but the Carrack was sent to annoy us IS)

snowman001 wrote:Hornets, typhoons and wasps are the only missiles i produce - if ya can't kill it with them you need an M7M with flails/hammers

Thanks, I will focus my Complexes on them...


And thank you all guys for the hints!