[SCRIPT] Capitol Ship Crews V1.31 : Update 24/01/2007
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I guess all the time since they are hired. So the best would be to hire them right bevor joining a battle, and fireing them right after.
In my oppinion the level of mechanics should rise due their work slowly, but the payment should stay the same, this way it would make sense to keep the
workers for a longer time.
But if you hire skilled mechanics the payment should be of course be higher, because you are paying their experience.
Also they will cost you more than enough if you keep them for so long
In conclution.
If you train the mechanics they will be thankfull by not raising their wages,
but if you hire already well trained ones they will demand more money
In my oppinion the level of mechanics should rise due their work slowly, but the payment should stay the same, this way it would make sense to keep the
workers for a longer time.
But if you hire skilled mechanics the payment should be of course be higher, because you are paying their experience.
Also they will cost you more than enough if you keep them for so long
In conclution.
If you train the mechanics they will be thankfull by not raising their wages,
but if you hire already well trained ones they will demand more money
my colossus i shot it down to 95% (am i insane/ to test the script)
it took about 1/2 an hour to get back to 100% (might have been longer)
thats with the cheif at 7127cr
managing 6
morale 100%
repair 3
i sacked him what? he took too long
i now have a cheif at 10021cr
managing 10
morale 100%
repair 6
he works faster
5% = 30 minutes
50% = 3 hours
100% = 6 hours
it took about 1/2 an hour to get back to 100% (might have been longer)
thats with the cheif at 7127cr
managing 6
morale 100%
repair 3
i sacked him what? he took too long
i now have a cheif at 10021cr
managing 10
morale 100%
repair 6
he works faster
5% = 30 minutes
50% = 3 hours
100% = 6 hours
Last edited by Stevio on Sat, 4. Feb 06, 19:08, edited 3 times in total.
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yeah i agree, with just a cheif mechanic, it should take quite awhile to repair a full m1
otherwise, there would be no point in hiring workers, if your cheif mechanic can do the job easy enuf on his own
when i get the workers in, your should be able to increase the speed it repairs, u just have to pay more
althou it will still most likly be cheaper than if you was to repair it at a shipyard
otherwise, there would be no point in hiring workers, if your cheif mechanic can do the job easy enuf on his own
when i get the workers in, your should be able to increase the speed it repairs, u just have to pay more
althou it will still most likly be cheaper than if you was to repair it at a shipyard
Just and idea..
Idea 1.
What about trainnie mec's, say a BBS about a junior university kid wants to learn how to become a cheif mec so you can hire him for free at like experiance 1 and moral 15% then his stats raise over say a weeks game play.
After he has been trained to level 10 you get change to hire him at a reduced cost to a normal cheif.
Bring in the equal oppertunites policy or make a deal with argon prime university to train workers for free on small ships such as m4 or m5.
Or better yet at level 1 they start on m5's and as they work there level up they go up on ships aswell say a lvl 5 can work on m3 or below or lvl 10 can work on m1 or below. There will have to be some kind of limit though like a min or max ship they can work on to gain levels.
Idea 2.
When moral reaches 0% the man/woman will have a 50/50 chance of suicide.
If he/she suicides then that will create damage to ship like jumping in the engine will imobilize the ship for xx minutes/hours.
Hopefully this will create another way to always keep buying workers.
Edit:
Idea 3.
Races? Ingame races have a good knowledge of spacific weapons like boron has ion disruptor. What about race hireing, like if you get a BBS at paranid station, the worker will have something unique that the race is good at. Or hire at argon then that unique thing will be something else.
Ideas for this, Argon are better medics, teladi are better at some trade person, Pirate are better at tune-ups, paranid are mec's. etc...
This is assuming the workers have individual stat level for each job.
Idea 1.
What about trainnie mec's, say a BBS about a junior university kid wants to learn how to become a cheif mec so you can hire him for free at like experiance 1 and moral 15% then his stats raise over say a weeks game play.
After he has been trained to level 10 you get change to hire him at a reduced cost to a normal cheif.
Bring in the equal oppertunites policy or make a deal with argon prime university to train workers for free on small ships such as m4 or m5.
Or better yet at level 1 they start on m5's and as they work there level up they go up on ships aswell say a lvl 5 can work on m3 or below or lvl 10 can work on m1 or below. There will have to be some kind of limit though like a min or max ship they can work on to gain levels.
Idea 2.
When moral reaches 0% the man/woman will have a 50/50 chance of suicide.
If he/she suicides then that will create damage to ship like jumping in the engine will imobilize the ship for xx minutes/hours.
Hopefully this will create another way to always keep buying workers.
Edit:
Idea 3.
Races? Ingame races have a good knowledge of spacific weapons like boron has ion disruptor. What about race hireing, like if you get a BBS at paranid station, the worker will have something unique that the race is good at. Or hire at argon then that unique thing will be something else.
Ideas for this, Argon are better medics, teladi are better at some trade person, Pirate are better at tune-ups, paranid are mec's. etc...
This is assuming the workers have individual stat level for each job.
It might be more suitable to have an alternative cost mechanism as paying the mechanics wages doesn't really fit into the universe as none of your pilots or capital ship crews charge!
I'd suggest that repairs cost you in the form of onboard Ore & Silicon, in the same way as old sailing ships used to have a stock of materials to repair the ship at sea. This would fit in more with the universe and would also mean that there is more upkeep involved. Rather than just paying wages without noticing you need to return to your homebase every so often to restock.
I'd suggest that repairs cost you in the form of onboard Ore & Silicon, in the same way as old sailing ships used to have a stock of materials to repair the ship at sea. This would fit in more with the universe and would also mean that there is more upkeep involved. Rather than just paying wages without noticing you need to return to your homebase every so often to restock.
actaully, thats not enterily true
your pilots and crew members do charge, if you have a UT or ST, they charge wages which comes out of the profits they make
BPH and SDS also charge for thier services
as does patrolling, the leader will charge you for his services
what you dont have to pay for is when you ships are running on autopilot using the software extensions, this is because there is no crews
your pilots and crew members do charge, if you have a UT or ST, they charge wages which comes out of the profits they make
BPH and SDS also charge for thier services
as does patrolling, the leader will charge you for his services
what you dont have to pay for is when you ships are running on autopilot using the software extensions, this is because there is no crews
Ah, I stand corrected! I do still think it would be nice for the repairs to use resources though, adds more depth and involvement from the player.
Small suggestion for your next crewmember; an engineer next who is able to increase ship speed slightly(5-20%). You could also include turn speed but I think capships might start to look a little strange.
Maybe your engineer will be able to divert power between weapon generators, shields and engines. I know that shield properties can't be modified but you could drain the energy in the shields to give a speed increase.
Keep up the good work, capships have no depth in the vanilla game!
Small suggestion for your next crewmember; an engineer next who is able to increase ship speed slightly(5-20%). You could also include turn speed but I think capships might start to look a little strange.
Maybe your engineer will be able to divert power between weapon generators, shields and engines. I know that shield properties can't be modified but you could drain the energy in the shields to give a speed increase.
Keep up the good work, capships have no depth in the vanilla game!
engineer is already planned
will allow you to increase speed turning and shielind, as well as give you the option to divert the engineer to focus on just one to increase it more
that will most likly be the next crew member to be added
another one is the cook/cleaner, which helps boost the crews morale
and i think i might make it so they require food in the ship to feed the crew members
will allow you to increase speed turning and shielind, as well as give you the option to divert the engineer to focus on just one to increase it more
that will most likly be the next crew member to be added
another one is the cook/cleaner, which helps boost the crews morale
and i think i might make it so they require food in the ship to feed the crew members
hmmm
my thoughts:
so you have a chief mechanic, what about the lower level mechanics...
the wages should be lower....but so should the repair speed be, excessively so, so you need at least a few dozen engineers to get the current rate, but the cost shouldn't be much more
there should be lots and lots of low level staff, top ones should be rarer than the X2 lottery
as for an experience system...over time a rookie should be able to become a master...but it should be a logarithmic scale, so it takes 100 points to get from level 1->2, 1000 to get from 2->3, etc. experience gained = 1 if moral is 50-80%, 2 if 80-90% and 4 if 90%+. That's per hour....so a well tended lvl 1 engineer could advance in only 25 hours...to get from lvl 5-6... 250,000 hours....you are better off finding a new staff unless.....
Trainers. A trainer should cost at least 5 times that of a normal person of their class. when a trainer is present for a particular skill all experience gains are increased by one...you still need greater tha 50% moral though. so if you had 10 trainers your level 5 could reach level 6 after....71k hours? bit better perhaps. but another hundred trainers would eat your bill and still not make it worth while. but ten trainers would advance a lvl 1 in only 8 hours, and to level 3 after that in only 70 hours rather than 250...so there are benifits, just dont expect the high levels to advance without an army of trainers (a training ship maybe? centralisation?)
the cooks/support staff
picture this: staff moral naturally falls by 10% an hour, ungrateful sods. the pay will increase it by 5% so that's still a loss of 5%. a cook can increase the moral of staff by a total of 100%, so you'd need one for every 20 staff to not be in deficit. makes the support staff critical.
moral should have effects on the speed of training too.
ideas for the management thing...
a 100% management skill could be compensation for 200% moral, so if there were 10 basic mechanics at 90% moral they would then perform as if they were at 100%. if there were 20 mechanics at 90% though 10 would act at 100%, then 10 at 90%. you could take average, but a straight add is probably easier. so in effect, while a chief is not only more productive in their own right (higher skill for one thing), their real skill is the power to increase the performance of subordinates. It also means you'd need chiefs for every X workers to ensure moral.
moral should be made hard/expensive to maintain at 100% so the management and moral things becomes quite important.
other ideas...you are hoping to work on engineers and cooks, the ideas above sort of covers what you mentioned before as workers??? I've given my ideas on experience and specialist trainers that increase ecperience gains. how about general handymen...just skilled workers who can be sent between departments as needed to fill in the gaps. not that highly skilled, but highly available and very very cheap. whatever system is being used for the rates of repair and such...they could be 2/3 of the ability of a specialist at the same level. higher moral drain too, maybe 12% an hour.
so you have a chief mechanic, what about the lower level mechanics...
the wages should be lower....but so should the repair speed be, excessively so, so you need at least a few dozen engineers to get the current rate, but the cost shouldn't be much more
there should be lots and lots of low level staff, top ones should be rarer than the X2 lottery
as for an experience system...over time a rookie should be able to become a master...but it should be a logarithmic scale, so it takes 100 points to get from level 1->2, 1000 to get from 2->3, etc. experience gained = 1 if moral is 50-80%, 2 if 80-90% and 4 if 90%+. That's per hour....so a well tended lvl 1 engineer could advance in only 25 hours...to get from lvl 5-6... 250,000 hours....you are better off finding a new staff unless.....
Trainers. A trainer should cost at least 5 times that of a normal person of their class. when a trainer is present for a particular skill all experience gains are increased by one...you still need greater tha 50% moral though. so if you had 10 trainers your level 5 could reach level 6 after....71k hours? bit better perhaps. but another hundred trainers would eat your bill and still not make it worth while. but ten trainers would advance a lvl 1 in only 8 hours, and to level 3 after that in only 70 hours rather than 250...so there are benifits, just dont expect the high levels to advance without an army of trainers (a training ship maybe? centralisation?)
the cooks/support staff
picture this: staff moral naturally falls by 10% an hour, ungrateful sods. the pay will increase it by 5% so that's still a loss of 5%. a cook can increase the moral of staff by a total of 100%, so you'd need one for every 20 staff to not be in deficit. makes the support staff critical.
moral should have effects on the speed of training too.
ideas for the management thing...
a 100% management skill could be compensation for 200% moral, so if there were 10 basic mechanics at 90% moral they would then perform as if they were at 100%. if there were 20 mechanics at 90% though 10 would act at 100%, then 10 at 90%. you could take average, but a straight add is probably easier. so in effect, while a chief is not only more productive in their own right (higher skill for one thing), their real skill is the power to increase the performance of subordinates. It also means you'd need chiefs for every X workers to ensure moral.
moral should be made hard/expensive to maintain at 100% so the management and moral things becomes quite important.
other ideas...you are hoping to work on engineers and cooks, the ideas above sort of covers what you mentioned before as workers??? I've given my ideas on experience and specialist trainers that increase ecperience gains. how about general handymen...just skilled workers who can be sent between departments as needed to fill in the gaps. not that highly skilled, but highly available and very very cheap. whatever system is being used for the rates of repair and such...they could be 2/3 of the ability of a specialist at the same level. higher moral drain too, maybe 12% an hour.
Give a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day
Set a man on fire, he'll stay warm for the rest of his life
Set a man on fire, he'll stay warm for the rest of his life
workers are like the lower ranks, so you have the cheif mechanic, and aload of workers to help him, the chiefs management skill determinates how well the workers perferm, also the workers have levels.
trainers sound like a good idea thou, can imcrease the workers skills, so a good worker could turn into an excelant one
trainers sound like a good idea thou, can imcrease the workers skills, so a good worker could turn into an excelant one
welll..
a good worker can turn into an excellent one....but you're gonna need to wait a while. it brings up the feasability of a cap ship with TONNES of trainers and you send workers there for a while before assigning them, or put them there between assignments maybe?
also, how about you sponsor them for training, cost something like 1 x level credits per experience. so lvl 1-2 would only cost 100 credits, 2-3 2000, 3-4 30,000, up to 1,000,000,000,000 for the final jump to level 10. i.e. buying someone to the top 2 levels is impossible in a single go, you can get them part way at best but it's really not worth it. this way the top levels are almost exclusive to the rare ones you find on the bbs. but if you want to kickstart a bunch of level 1s up to level 4 for instance...the cost would be a total of 32,100. if you wanted to get to level 5 though, 432,100, and that's per worker. so boosting all those cheap workers you hire en mass is okay to a point, but unrealistic for higher levels.
this way, after a point it starts to become more viable to just get loads of trainers still, but the impatient lazy rich people can jump ahead....a little. the lazy poor can just sit and wait for the training to happen. the lazy rich can pay trainers to make training faster, and the impatient poor can just search the bbs for better staff to begin with
also, how about you sponsor them for training, cost something like 1 x level credits per experience. so lvl 1-2 would only cost 100 credits, 2-3 2000, 3-4 30,000, up to 1,000,000,000,000 for the final jump to level 10. i.e. buying someone to the top 2 levels is impossible in a single go, you can get them part way at best but it's really not worth it. this way the top levels are almost exclusive to the rare ones you find on the bbs. but if you want to kickstart a bunch of level 1s up to level 4 for instance...the cost would be a total of 32,100. if you wanted to get to level 5 though, 432,100, and that's per worker. so boosting all those cheap workers you hire en mass is okay to a point, but unrealistic for higher levels.
this way, after a point it starts to become more viable to just get loads of trainers still, but the impatient lazy rich people can jump ahead....a little. the lazy poor can just sit and wait for the training to happen. the lazy rich can pay trainers to make training faster, and the impatient poor can just search the bbs for better staff to begin with
Give a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day
Set a man on fire, he'll stay warm for the rest of his life
Set a man on fire, he'll stay warm for the rest of his life
You should add three new wares.
small/med/large repair parts
small could cost something like 20,000
med 40,000
lrg 80,000
small repairs 3% of a ship
med 6%
lrg 12%
those numbers could be modified per ship class
should also make it so that if a ship is damaged past a certain point like 25% hull the crews will repair it to 65% the other 35% will need a equipment dock or ship yard to allow your crews to finish the needed repairs. Those yards should charge hourly for this service unless owned (parts and supplies) player dock should require repair parts in stock.
this would offset some of the cheapness and also show sometime you still need a dock to repair things.
small/med/large repair parts
small could cost something like 20,000
med 40,000
lrg 80,000
small repairs 3% of a ship
med 6%
lrg 12%
those numbers could be modified per ship class
should also make it so that if a ship is damaged past a certain point like 25% hull the crews will repair it to 65% the other 35% will need a equipment dock or ship yard to allow your crews to finish the needed repairs. Those yards should charge hourly for this service unless owned (parts and supplies) player dock should require repair parts in stock.
this would offset some of the cheapness and also show sometime you still need a dock to repair things.
Update v1.10
V1.10
* Added workers to increase performance
* Added Hotkeys for easy opening of various menus
* Mechanics will repair docked ships
* Morale is effected by overworking
new update avaialble
mainly added morale and workers to increase performance
capitol ships now repiar any docked ships as well
* Added workers to increase performance
* Added Hotkeys for easy opening of various menus
* Mechanics will repair docked ships
* Morale is effected by overworking
new update avaialble
mainly added morale and workers to increase performance
capitol ships now repiar any docked ships as well
I've had a break from X3 and this forum for a while, waiting for 1.4 and playing other games. Seems others are keeping busy!
Cycrow, I know you've said that you'll be starting working for a software (gaming?) company soon and won't have much time for scripting then, but in my opinion Egosoft should do all they can to overbid the other company to hire you! So many great scripts popping up from you continously.
Thanks for the efforts you're doing for this community!
Cycrow, I know you've said that you'll be starting working for a software (gaming?) company soon and won't have much time for scripting then, but in my opinion Egosoft should do all they can to overbid the other company to hire you! So many great scripts popping up from you continously.
Thanks for the efforts you're doing for this community!