Trump

[felter]

The thing about the FBI building, has there actually been any crime committed. I know the women may be in trouble for telling lies to congress, but has Trump actually done anything wrong legally. Ethically may be one thing but that doesn't necessarily mean he has done anything legally wrong.

[Morkonan]

Potential scandal n+1
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Thoughts?

It requires too much speculation to say that Trump did this to enrich himself. But, it requires no speculation to say that the woman in question lied to Congress or tragically "forgot" that she did discuss this with the President. One would think having a discussion with the President of the United States and the Owner of the World's Worst Comb-over would be a fairly unforgettable event...

AFAIK, the FBI didn't want a new building nor did they wish to be moved, anyway.

[Observe]

Here is how we defeat Trump in the next election: During the primary, If all democrats voted for whoever is the most liberal Republican, Trump would lose the primary and not be elected to represent the republican party. Then, for the general election, those democrats can switch sides and vote for the democrat candidate. Problem solved. Trump out of the way.

Worst that could happen, is we get a moderate republican. Nothing wrong with that. We need to reduce the impact of both far-left and far-right, while boosting the influence of moderates.

[Grim Lock]

Here is how we defeat Trump in the next election: During the primary, If all democrats voted for whoever is the most liberal Republican, Trump would lose the primary and not be elected to represent the republican party. Then, for the general election, those democrats can switch sides and vote for the democrat candidate. Problem solved. Trump out of the way.

Worst that could happen, is we get a moderate republican. Nothing wrong with that. We need to reduce the impact of both far-left and far-right, while boosting the influence of moderates.

Make it so!

[felter]

Russian woman charged with attempted US election meddling

The programme allegedly used social media and other platforms to discuss topics including immigration, gun control, gun rights, the Confederate flag, race relations, LGBT issues, the Women's March and the NFL national anthem debate, according to the justice department.

Looks like we are going to get into trouble, as we talk about them all the time here.

Project Lakhta has a budget of $35m (£27m), but not all of their projects is directed at the US, according to officials.

What the hell, why are we doing it for free when the Russians should be paying us for doing so.

[BugMeister]

Trump?

[Hank001]

Just Trump's bunch getting by with a little help from his friends:

From NBC:

Russian woman charged with attempted meddling in upcoming U.S. midterms

Somewhere out there was the instructions from Moscow to it's trolls. Only I can't find it published yet, just read from by the news. If I find it I'll post it... And PM a copy to CJB as an FYI

[Mightysword]

Here is how we defeat Trump in the next election: During the primary, If all democrats voted for whoever is the most liberal Republican, Trump would lose the primary and not be elected to represent the republican party. Then, for the general election, those democrats can switch sides and vote for the democrat candidate. Problem solved. Trump out of the way.

Uhm ... you DO know that only party registered voters can vote in their respective primary ... right?

I know there is a very few places that let non-party affiliated voters vote for their primary, but the whole reason that system exists is to exact prevent the thing you just suggest. And that's good reason, because I can't find an angle to justify it's ethical.

[Masterbagger]

Here is how we defeat Trump in the next election: During the primary, If all democrats voted for whoever is the most liberal Republican, Trump would lose the primary and not be elected to represent the republican party. Then, for the general election, those democrats can switch sides and vote for the democrat candidate. Problem solved. Trump out of the way.

Worst that could happen, is we get a moderate republican. Nothing wrong with that. We need to reduce the impact of both far-left and far-right, while boosting the influence of moderates.

There is no moderate anymore. You can stand against the insanity of the left, you can partake in it, or you can wait for those opposed to save you from it or stop you from doing it. Go make your choice.

[Grim Lock]

Here is how we defeat Trump in the next election: During the primary, If all democrats voted for whoever is the most liberal Republican, Trump would lose the primary and not be elected to represent the republican party. Then, for the general election, those democrats can switch sides and vote for the democrat candidate. Problem solved. Trump out of the way.

Worst that could happen, is we get a moderate republican. Nothing wrong with that. We need to reduce the impact of both far-left and far-right, while boosting the influence of moderates.

There is no moderate anymore. You can stand against the insanity of the left, you can partake in it, or you can wait for those opposed to save you from it or stop you from doing it. Go make your choice.

Good man, showing us a fine example of what kind of thinking is the problem on wichever side you encounter it, you are not solving anything if you have to make an enemy out of more than half your country, no you in that case are part of the problem.

[BugMeister]

Here is how we defeat Trump in the next election: During the primary, If all democrats voted for whoever is the most liberal Republican, Trump would lose the primary and not be elected to represent the republican party. Then, for the general election, those democrats can switch sides and vote for the democrat candidate. Problem solved. Trump out of the way.

Worst that could happen, is we get a moderate republican. Nothing wrong with that. We need to reduce the impact of both far-left and far-right, while boosting the influence of moderates.

There is no moderate anymore. You can stand against the insanity of the left, you can partake in it, or you can wait for those opposed to save you from it or stop you from doing it. Go make your choice.

- ha, ha..!!
- you're kiddin', right..!!?

..dictators have all the best "wurds"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZyUwviyTP0
- now, where have I seen this tactic used before..(??)

Trump?

[Golden_Gonads]

There is no moderate anymore. You can stand against the insanity of the left, you can partake in it, or you can wait for those opposed to save you from it or stop you from doing it. Go make your choice.

As you say, there's no moderates anymore. It's the insanity of the Left, OR the lunacy of the Right. Both extremes are bad for a country and yoyo-ing between the two will eventually tear it apart.

[Hank001]

Golden_Gonads notes:

As you say, there's no moderates anymore. It's the insanity of the Left, OR the lunacy of the Right. Both extremes are bad for a country and yoyo-ing between the two will eventually tear it apart.

Oh there are still moderates. Some are on the sidelines shaking their heads, some are updating their passports and eyeballing Canada, Australia, and the UK. (As if anywhere on the planet will be safe when Trump's final screws comes loose) That should happen if it looks like either he or Jarod or Don Jr is likely to swap their 3 piece suits for orange jumpsuits and his ploy of passing out pardons falls flat. (Remember he only bought 2 SCOTUS judges and the other 7 might digress depending on how deep the peculation, corruption and profiteering goes. My guess is to the core.)

And it appears that Russia is driving this train and as long as Trump's base and the liberal loonies don't care, or don't want to care, whose stoking the furnace then a trainwreck is the only outcome.

[Usenko]

The question I would ask is simply whether a "Left" as I would understand it actually exists in the USA.

From my viewpoint - as an Australian conservative - it would appear that the US political scene consists of "Right Wing" and "REALLY Right Wing" . . .

[Hank001]

Usenko says:

From my viewpoint - as an Australian conservative - it would appear that the US political scene consists of "Right Wing" and "REALLY Right Wing" . . .

If you mean in their dispositions you're close and it's a valid observation in how both sides are starting to act. It's just that the socialist and outright communist side of the left have gotten the most press and the facist side of the right are in power. It gives the impression that both sides are varying shades of lunatic. Really the average person in the US is wondering what the hell happened.

[Morkonan]

The question I would ask is simply whether a "Left" as I would understand it actually exists in the USA.

From my viewpoint - as an Australian conservative - it would appear that the US political scene consists of "Right Wing" and "REALLY Right Wing" . . .

It depends on how one defines "Left." Bernie Sanders is probably the furthest "Left" politician, according to how most people in the US define "Left," that could be said to be reasonably in the running as a possible candidate. We do have other parties that are much further "Left," going all the way to Communist/Socialist political parties and the like. But, they don't get much of a following.

Sanders has actually fractured the Democratic party a bit, simply because he is further Left than some Democrats would like. It also seems that younger voters tend to support such candidates, in my opinion. That's especially true when the candidate "speaks to them" using focused social media campaigns. Sanders didn't do as much of that as Ron Paul's campaign did when he ran. Ron is a Libertarian, not really Leftist, but the point is that those who appear to be successful on the Left in the US appeal to younger voters. And, young people don't typically show up to the polls as often as older people.

[Santi]

The same can be said for Trump, but contrary to what you said, he got support from the elderly and the young nonetheless. And they turned up for voting to make it happen.

And I disagree, Sanders was stitched up by his own party the same way as the Republicans try to stitch up Trump with the Russian implication.

[Mightysword]

The question I would ask is simply whether a "Left" as I would understand it actually exists in the USA.
From my viewpoint - as an Australian conservative - it would appear that the US political scene consists of "Right Wing" and "REALLY Right Wing" . . .

It's a matter of perspective. You can take the most conservative American politician and he still look like a leftist to a Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese or Japanese. Like wise, take the most liberal politician in those countries and present him/her to the West, and they still look like a far right. Ultimately the opinion and how outsiders define or where to draw the line is pretty irrelevant IMO. The only one who can define that are the people who live in their respective countries. It comes down where you define as your center, and left and right will be relative to that, and there is not a universal landmark for where that center is.

Instead of left and right, conservative and progressive are probably better term to describe the sides. Look at the values that a countries started with, or hold on to for a centuries or two. Conservative are the one who try to maintain it and progressive are the one want to change it.

About Sander, out of all the candidates in the last election he's the one I dislike the most. If I'm down and about, and someone come over offer me a meal and a few dollars, I will be grateful, and I know my fellow Americans are capable of that. I can hope that someone else will come around and actually give me a shelter, give me some clothes and direct me at a job ... that can happen too. But Sander, he's like someone who will come to me and say he will build me a mansion and bank 1mil in my name ... yeah right, I would more likely tell him to piss off than accepting his help. Because I think he's a fool to promise the impossible, and if I believe it just for a moment, that will make it 2 fools.

[Hank001]

Look like Trump is busy this weekend:

Trump says US is ending decades-old nuclear arms treaty with Russia

Hey Trolls! Go tell your boss his henchman Trump followed orders once again! Making the world safe for a Russian takeover. Putin HATED the IRBM treaty.

[Mightysword]

Just think I'll give you a bit of context here my dear: this is not new. Back in 2014 the Russian already violated it by developed and tested the 9M729 - SSC-8. Obama protested, Russian denied, and in the end everyone (Obama + NATO) decided to just forget about it, let mother Russia have her new toy instead of escalate it into an arm race. A report in 2017 indicated that Russia had two battalion with 8 launchers of this missile. So for all intend and purpose, that treaty was already scrapped, at least from the Russian side. Trump basically just shot the elephant in the room, the same one Obama should have shot 3 years ago.

And isn't this a trend with his presidency? Everyone's been complain about immigrant for years, yet no one doing anything. Everyone's been complain about China trade practice, yet no one doing anything ...etc... This is hardly a Trump's invented issue. We had plenty of times to fix most of these things, yet we didn't. Now come a guy who doesn't seem to be shy about it ... problem is he seems to fix thing with a sledgehammer. And well, if anyone don't like his fix, let's see if the can come up with a better one.