Trump

[RegisterMe]

Between Trump being a laughing stock among enemies and allies alike and his utter failure at leadership, he has single handedly made the US an easy target for Russia. What a damn disgrace he is.

The last time Russia found this easy an American mark he was called Roosevelt. For all his brilliance, and for all the UK (and the rest of the world) owes him eternal gratitude, Stalin had him down. Churchill, for all his failings, called it right. Don't get me wrong, Stalin, for good reason, had his own agenda, and his own concerns. He played his hand ruthlessly and brilliantly, and "the West" suffered the consequences for sixty plus years. That's history though.

NOW, here, this when. What "this" has shown the rest of the world is that anybody, "even foreigners", can buy (influence in) the US. Cheap too. Cheap in as cheap as a "I get to **** you if I take you to KFC right"?

That cheap.

Gibbon would be laughing his socks off .

[RegisterMe]

It's pretty evident Russia is trying it's damnedest to isolate the US from the rest of the world, and dumbass Trump has played right into their hands with his "America First" policies and swallowing conspiracy theories.

Between Trump being a laughing stock among enemies and allies alike and his utter failure at leadership, he has single handedly made the US an easy target for Russia. What a damn disgrace he is.

Naah, it's bigger, and lazier than that . But I'm tired and need to crash, I'll come back to this tomorrow.

[Masterbagger]

Ya know, it's pretty sad that the best defense a Trumpanzie can muster is "Dems this, dems that" meanwhile, republicans and Trump cronies are being arrested left and right. It's mind blowing how utterly disconnected from reality these imbeciles are.

No guy. It's you. You have a personal beef with President Trump and with me. You can't talk about Trump or interact with me in any form without your personal rancor taking over. I don't have that problem with you. Your intolerance towards me and your constant use of insults is never going to hurt me because this isn't personal for me. For the people who aren't committed to a party or a certain viewpoint you are showing a nastiness of character that is repellent. I am an outlier when it is time to vote. I vote for beliefs in individual liberties that democrats have chosen to no longer respect. Take that away and I'm just a middle class working stiff. I want to go do work and get taxed less. You have no idea what matters to me because your side never accepted the results of 2016. There was no attempt to reengage with voters to find out why President Trump happened and to reshape the party platform to appeal to them. Instead it was maximum effort to cast the blame on Russia and keep promising more free stuff from government that no one has an idea how to pay for.

Look at yourself. I did not act like you when Obama was elected. I know why Romney lost. I know why Mccain lost. Nothing was going to stop that storm of empty promises of hope and change after Bush. Your side has gone berserk since those days. You went so far left I can't understand how you work anymore. It still never got personal. You made it personal this time when it has never been before. You did it. Not me. I don't consider what you support a license to be a dick to you.

[Vertigo 7]

Ya know, it's pretty sad that the best defense a Trumpanzie can muster is "Dems this, dems that" meanwhile, republicans and Trump cronies are being arrested left and right. It's mind blowing how utterly disconnected from reality these imbeciles are.

No guy. It's you. You have a personal beef with President Trump and with me. You can't talk about Trump or interact with me in any form without your personal rancor taking over. I don't have that problem with you. Your intolerance towards me and your constant use of insults is never going to hurt me because this isn't personal for me. For the people who aren't committed to a party or a certain viewpoint you are showing a nastiness of character that is repellent. I am an outlier when it is time to vote. I vote for beliefs in individual liberties that democrats have chosen to no longer respect. Take that away and I'm just a middle class working stiff. I want to go do work and get taxed less. You have no idea what matters to me because your side never accepted the results of 2016. There was no attempt to reengage with voters to find out why President Trump happened and to reshape the party platform to appeal to them. Instead it was maximum effort to cast the blame on Russia and keep promising more free stuff from government that no one has an idea how to pay for.

Look at yourself. I did not act like you when Obama was elected. I know why Romney lost. I know why Mccain lost. Nothing was going to stop that storm of empty promises of hope and change after Bush. Your side has gone berserk since those days. You went so far left I can't understand how you work anymore. It still never got personal. You made it personal this time when it has never been before. You did it. Not me. I don't consider what you support a license to be a dick to you.

Pitiful. Cry me a freaking river.

You have made it abundantly clear what matters to you is you.

Seriously, what part of "I will never respect anyone who supports the things you do" don't you get? You know why democrats and republicans were able to converse before Trump? Because at the very least, both Bush and Reagan were decent people and your kind at least pretended to care about human rights and decency, with a few exceptions. Now, your party has embraced fascism, sworn fealty to a con man, and abandoned all pretense of obeying the constitution and the rule of law. And the rest of us are just supposed to be okay with that? Get real. For the umpteenth time, you dug your pit. I'm not going to help you get out of it or jump in it with you.

As far as this little gem:

I don't consider what you support a license to be a dick to you.

I'm not the one supporting racism and bigotry and flaunting the rule of law and cheering the dismemberment of the government. Go ahead, be a dick to me about opposing such things. I god damn dare you.

[Masterbagger]

Pitiful. Cry me a freaking river.

You have made it abundantly clear what matters to you is you.

Seriously, what part of "I will never respect anyone who supports the things you do" don't you get? You know why democrats and republicans were able to converse before Trump? Because at the very least, both Bush and Reagan were decent people and your kind at least pretended to care about human rights and decency, with a few exceptions. Now, your party has embraced fascism, sworn fealty to a con man, and abandoned all pretense of obeying the constitution and the rule of law. And the rest of us are just supposed to be okay with that? Get real. For the umpteenth time, you dug your pit. I'm not going to help you get out of it or jump in it with you.

As far as this little gem:

I don't consider what you support a license to be a dick to you.

I'm not the one supporting racism and bigotry and flaunting the rule of law and cheering the dismemberment of the government. Go ahead, be a dick to me about opposing such things. I god damn dare you.

Your beef with Trump makes you intolerant of anyone who doesn't share it. You hurl bigotry at me as a slur while you practice it towards me. I don't want that corrosive hatred in my life. You let your politics become a commandment to crusade against me. I don't want to reciprocate that. If you want to hold yourself to be better than me then leave the hate behind.

[CBJ]

And once again, this needs to stop being a personal matter. Action will be taken against those who continue to make it one.

[Vertigo 7]

I'm going to make this clear so that there is absolutely no misunderstanding.
I will not, under any circumstances, tolerate any of the following: (in no certain order)

• racism
• sexism
• homophobia
• sexual assault
• misogyny
• lying
• stealing
• fraud
• hypocrisy
• threats of violence
• acts of violence

If anyone engages in any of the above, supports people who do engage in any of the above, or will overlook any of the above for personal benefit, you will not have my respect, understanding, compassion, or forgiveness. I will not engage with you further. I will not humor you. You have nothing from me but the utmost contempt and disdain and I owe you nothing. No amount of whining or pleading will change that. Pharisaic displays are far from convincing as well. Until you cease these acts and/or condemn those that engage in these acts, you and I have nothing to speak to each other about. I don't care who you are or who you voted for.

To be clear, this is not about politics. This is about moral fortitude, or rather a lack there of.

Edit:

No, this is not directed at CBJ. I was asked.

[Vertigo 7]

In other news:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lindsey- ... 0f32b222ee

This caught my eye. Graham's comments about Trump have not aged well.

https://twitter.com/LGsConscience?ref_s ... 0f32b222ee

There's some great stuff on this twitter account.

[CBJ]

I'm going to make this clear so that there is absolutely no misunderstanding...

And to make it absolutely clear, your moral position notwithstanding, you will comply with the forum rules that you agreed to when you signed up to this forum, or you will be removed from it.

[Vertigo 7]

I'm going to make this clear so that there is absolutely no misunderstanding...

And to make it absolutely clear, your moral position notwithstanding, you will comply with the forum rules that you agreed to when you signed up to this forum, or you will be removed from it.

Yeah, you're right. I should have flagged certain posts months ago instead of engaging in this ridiculous diatribe. Won't happen again.

[Vertigo 7]

So as if Trump being a racist and Stephen Miller's recently outed white supremacy antics weren't enough, here comes Nikki Haley claiming the confederate flag didn't stand for racism until the 2015 mass shooting by Dylan Roof.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... h-shooting

Unbelievable... Until the last few weeks, I thought she was half way decent and worth considering for the WH.

Can someone explain to me why the Orange Overlord and his merry band of white power followers still pretend to not hate people who don't have white skin?

[Observe]

It should be pretty obvious that different people have different ideas and views. It should also be obvious, that most of us do not choose our thoughts or feelings. Therefore, not much point lambasting each other over personal differences that we have no control over. Better to embrace those things that we have in common and find ways to have respectful discussions where we differ. The old way is to rage about how my fictional story is better than yours. This only leads to further division.

[Vertigo 7]

It should be pretty obvious that different people have different ideas and views. It should also be obvious, that most of us do not choose our thoughts or feelings. Therefore, not much point lambasting each other over personal differences that we have no control over. Better to embrace those things that we have in common and find ways to have respectful discussions where we differ. The old way is to rage about how my fictional story is better than yours. This only leads to further division.

That sounds great in theory, but there's always limits to what is or will be acceptable. Would you suggest that people should seek common ground with pedophiles? I'm sure you wouldn't, at least I hope not.

I realize that's a bit of an extreme example. However, it's fair and justified that actions or inactions that a person commits that betray a sense of good faith do earn a level of ire despite whatever commonality that may exist between 2 persons.

[Vertigo 7]

I'm really curious what it is about the Orange one that makes the Trumpanzies so unshakable from him. This is just off the top of my head but these are things he's done prior to and after his election:

Paying off a porn star to keep quiet about his affair and then lied about it. But Clinton lying about his affair was enough to impeach him.
Railing against undocumented immigrants while employing them at his resorts.
13,000+ misleading or false statements to date and counting.
Stealing money from his own charity that was supposed to go to support veterans.
The Trump University scam.
"Grab 'em by the pussy."
Inviting Russia to interfere in our elections.
Dealing with Russians to help his campaign.
His involvement with Cambridge Analytica.
Undermining our own intelligence agencies and siding with Putin at Helsinki.
Smearing highly respected and dedicated military service members and career foreign service officers but lavishes praise on Putin, Kim, et. al.
How many sexual assault charges is he potentially facing? 16? 20? something like that?
6 of his businesses declared bankruptcies.
Refused to condemn Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for Jamal Khashoggi's ordered dismemberment in favor of an arms deal.
Hurricane Sharpie - great use of tax payer money and government resources.
"Shit hole countries."
"Very fine people."
Sold out the Kurds and allowed Russia to move into Syria.
And oh yeah, twice now Trump has subverted Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7 of the US Constitution - Congress's power of the purse.

I'm sure there's much much more that I've not spelled out here but there's only so much room for all of his BS in my brain at once.

There's plenty of republicans out there that can be president. So why this particular "very stable genius"?

[red assassin]

It's a recruitment technique - as his behaviour gets more egregious, it takes you with it. It starts with "well, he's not great, but he's better than Clinton I guess", and with each additional thing he does, that's one more thing on the list you need to admit you were wrong about in order to change your mind. If you're gonna condemn him for trying to force the Ukrainians to pursue conspiracy theories to support re-election, for example, then what were you doing justifying him pardoning war criminals, or selling out the Kurds, etc? And by now that's an awfully long road to walk back.

[Vertigo 7]

It's a recruitment technique - as his behaviour gets more egregious, it takes you with it. It starts with "well, he's not great, but he's better than Clinton I guess", and with each additional thing he does, that's one more thing on the list you need to admit you were wrong about in order to change your mind. If you're gonna condemn him for trying to force the Ukrainians to pursue conspiracy theories to support re-election, for example, then what were you doing justifying him pardoning war criminals, or selling out the Kurds, etc? And by now that's an awfully long road to walk back.

It begs the question, where's the line? Is there even one? Do Trumpanzies have any limit as to what they will accept from him before they say 'enough'?

[Masterbagger]

I'm really curious what it is about the Orange one that makes the Trumpanzies so unshakable from him. This is just off the top of my head but these are things he's done prior to and after his election:

You didn't mention a single point of policy. Jobs, taxes, economy, trade deals, border control, illegal aliens getting benefits on our dime, respect for the first and second amendment, what sort of justice should be appointed to the judiciary. All of these are things that people can find important enough to vote on. You hate Trump as a person. That is your right. It is the right of others to not feel the way you do about him and not use feelings about his character as a metric to vote for him.

It begs the question, where's the line? Is there even one? Do Trumpanzies have any limit as to what they will accept from him before they say 'enough'?

My preferred pronouns are his Deplorableness or El Deploraborino.

[Vertigo 7]

You know, through this whole thing, I find it particularly amazing how Trumpanzies can pick and chose which portions of the US Constitution are worth following but the rest are cool to ignore. It's like rules and laws are only applicable if and when they decide they are. Same goes for their stance on foreigners. It's not racist to target countries that aren't prominently white only because they decide it isn't racist, or at least they won't admit it is.

Trumpanzies have built up such a huge wall of denial surrounding their devotion to an ass clown. I get it, it would be personally embarrassing to stand up and say "I was wrong" when they've been slurping the orange goo for so long. They sold their patriotism, if they ever had it to begin with, sold their souls and rights of identity. All of this for what? An extra 50 bucks on their income tax refund? I never would have thought American citizens could be so cheaply bought. It's quite sad, really.

Edit:

As if on queue. Prime example: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/na ... li=BBnb7Kz

Here we have a Trumpanzie canceling an appearance of keynote speaker at a NATO event, despite his expertise in the topics of discussion, all because he is critical of the Orange one, which wasn't any of the topics of discussion. As a result, the entire event was scrubbed out of concern that the conference was being steered towards US politics.

First amendment rights only apply when Trumpanzies say they do.

Did the brain damage apparent in the Trumpanzies occur prior to 2016 or after?

[eladan]

You didn't mention a single point of policy. Jobs, taxes, economy, trade deals, border control, illegal aliens getting benefits on our dime, respect for the first and second amendment, what sort of justice should be appointed to the judiciary. All of these are things that people can find important enough to vote on. You hate Trump as a person. That is your right. It is the right of others to not feel the way you do about him and not use feelings about his character as a metric to vote for him.

Every one of those, Trump and the Republicans have no difference of policy. As Vertigo asked:

There's plenty of republicans out there that can be president. So why this particular "very stable genius"?

Other republicans would probably do the job without getting into a fight every second day, occasionally telling the truth, without selling out to the Russians, keeping friends and allies as, well, friends and allies, and without taking a giant dump on your constitution. If Trump goes, you get another Republican president without all the drama. What's not to love about that idea? Why are you so invested in Trump, and only Trump?

[Masterbagger]

You know, through this whole thing, I find it particularly amazing how Trumpanzies can pick and chose which portions of the US Constitution are worth following but the rest are cool to ignore. It's like rules and laws are only applicable if and when they decide they are. Same goes for their stance on foreigners. It's not racist to target countries that aren't prominently white only because they decide it isn't racist, or at least they won't admit it is.

Trumpanzies have built up such a huge wall of denial surrounding their devotion to an ass clown. I get it, it would be personally embarrassing to stand up and say "I was wrong" when they've been slurping the orange goo for so long. They sold their patriotism, if they ever had it to begin with, sold their souls and rights of identity. All of this for what? An extra 50 bucks on their income tax refund? I never would have thought American citizens could be so cheaply bought. It's quite sad, really.

Instead of insulting those who vote for Trump your side desperately needs to speak with them and figure out what mattered to them when they voted. Hate all you like the Trump voter is still going to be there in 2020 and you still have no idea why they voted for him. You never asked.