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Post by Morkonan » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 15:26

clakclak wrote:...A person who adheres to sutch an extrem point of view will for example not see the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal or The Boston Globe as a reliable newssource. If one is now so far gone than I think it is hard/impossiable to engage them in meaningful dialogue.
That's largely true. You can't have a substantive discussion/debate/argument with someone if you don't both share the same basic standards of judgement.

Imagine someone with a different belief or value system than "mainstream" or whatever current culture considers as "normal values" being confronted, day after day, with publications and news outlets that tell them in no uncertain terms that they are "wrong." The read the N.Y. Times and are told that cats are better than dogs. They read The Washington Post and, with their newfound sensitivity to such things, feel like they're being bombarded with uncomfortable and ever-present reminders in articles that the value system being thrust into their face values cats more than it values dogs. They've lived their whole life with dogs, know dogs, love dogs, yet all these "mainstream" news outlets keep pushing cats in their face.

It doesn't matter if all these publications have truly accurate information on other subjects. All that will be tainted by their overwhelming preference for cats. So, instead of being forced to put to the question their own value system, they retreat to more isolated news sources that cater to their love for dogs. The self-validation these "news sources" bring for their readers also lends itself towards validating, in the minds of their readers, the credibility of other claims, even in "news stories" that are largely fiction or false or horribly biased.

(Obviously, a hypothetical analysis, since everyone knows dogs are better than cats.)

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Post by Morkonan » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 16:35

On the subject of "Holy crap, nobody will ever believe this happened, but it's true, honest!"

Trump's lawyer says he paid $130,000 to porn star ahead of election

Of his own money. With absolutely no reimbursement whatsoever from Trump or any campaign funds. None. Just coughed up 130k for a porn actress and Trump's probable bang-session because he loves Trump so much and wants to protect him...

Riiiiiight.

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Post by mrbadger » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 16:44

I read that a few days back, no, I don't beleive he did it out of his own pocket, no-one does that.

But it all reads like so much circus to me now, I can't take any of it seriously any more.
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Post by Morkonan » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 16:54

mrbadger wrote:I read that a few days back, no, I don't beleive he did it out of his own pocket, no-one does that.

But it all reads like so much circus to me now, I can't take any of it seriously any more.
Sad, isn't it? At least for "Muricans, if not for others.

If the headline tomorrow was "Trump puts his privates into a pencil-sharpener every morning so he can stay sharp" I don't think anyone would blink. The absurdity is just another bad storyline in a overly-hyped television drama. White House "Press Conferences" are just "gaslight" sessions. There's no news there, just endless..

"We're awesome and we're still as awesome as I told you we were yesterday, so we really don't think we need to answer any more questions that revolve around us not being awesome, since we already told you were so very, very, very, awesome and Trump is the awesomest, because we told you he was awesome and you can look that up by Googling "Awesome" rather than me having to repeat it, again. Awesomely."

The entire Administration appears to be focused on just one thing - Making the lie as real as it can be without actually, really, being real. :/

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Post by felter » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 17:34

This is the sort of reason that Trump does not want anyone to see his tax statements, as a payment of 130K would be listed in that and we all know one and one equals Trumps a fraud.
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Post by clakclak » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 18:05

Morkonan wrote:
mrbadger wrote:I read that a few days back, no, I don't beleive he did it out of his own pocket, no-one does that.

But it all reads like so much circus to me now, I can't take any of it seriously any more.
Sad, isn't it? At least for "Muricans, if not for others. [...]
Don't worry, we non Americans also have absolutely absurd stories, they just don't get as mutch attention because we are less important than the USA. :cry:
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Post by felter » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 18:12

clakclak wrote:
Morkonan wrote:
mrbadger wrote:I read that a few days back, no, I don't beleive he did it out of his own pocket, no-one does that.

But it all reads like so much circus to me now, I can't take any of it seriously any more.
Sad, isn't it? At least for "Muricans, if not for others. [...]
Don't worry, we non Americans also have absolutely absurd stories, they just don't get as mutch attention because we are less important than the USA. :cry:
Yes we also have absurd stories but the big difference is they are just every so often, whereas with Trump it can be every few hours.
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Post by clakclak » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 18:25

felter wrote:
clakclak wrote:
Morkonan wrote:
mrbadger wrote:I read that a few days back, no, I don't beleive he did it out of his own pocket, no-one does that.

But it all reads like so much circus to me now, I can't take any of it seriously any more.
Sad, isn't it? At least for "Muricans, if not for others. [...]
Don't worry, we non Americans also have absolutely absurd stories, they just don't get as mutch attention because we are less important than the USA. :cry:
Yes we also have absurd stories but the big difference is they are just every so often, whereas with Trump it can be every few hours.
To be honest I think Rodrigo Duterte and wannabe Saladin (Recep Tayyip Erdoğan) have him beat in that category. As for my home country, there are regularly people who say things on a Trump level, but they are not (yet) in a position of power.
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Post by brucewarren » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 18:37

I'm not sure how this lawyer's claim to have paid the hush money himself helps Mr Trump.

Whatever happened to "Affair did not happen. Payment was not made. Fake Gnus. Fake Gnus?"

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Post by RegisterMe » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 19:34

Next up Melania files for divorce.
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Post by felter » Wed, 14. Feb 18, 19:46

brucewarren wrote:I'm not sure how this lawyer's claim to have paid the hush money himself helps Mr Trump.

Whatever happened to "Affair did not happen. Payment was not made. Fake Gnus. Fake Gnus?"
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RegisterMe wrote:Next up Melania files for divorce.
I said it before, I think she is being paid a lot to stay with Trump while he is president and I expect her to divorce him as soon as it is all over.
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Post by Hank001 » Thu, 15. Feb 18, 13:46

Where do I start? Met "The Donald" at Atlanta Casino in 80's came away asking how he ever made 2 cents because he seemed to have no sense at all. :D.

His Champaign Antics had me wondering how soon he'd drop out. Should have known that since runs for office take $$$$$$$ he could buy the whole enchilada. He did. Though I wasn't that trilled with Hillary either, based on the lesser of two evils? Makes me wonder if and when common sense will prevail. Then again if if ever does our dear government will probably mandate lobotomies. The Romans had a phrase for our present situation here in the US.

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Post by fiksal » Fri, 16. Feb 18, 01:05

Hank001 wrote:Where do I start? Met "The Donald" at Atlanta Casino in 80's came away asking how he ever made 2 cents because he seemed to have no sense at all. :D.
Was he as crazy in the 80s as now?

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Post by Hank001 » Fri, 16. Feb 18, 02:30

Boring, expected the whole room to look at him and yawned in the middle of people talking to him. In other other words except being older and a bit more cantankerous, nope he hasn't changed that much. Only now he expects the whole world to look at him.
Though look at the pictures of him in the 80's. His eyes were more hooded. I'm wondering how much that cost him. Went around all last summer looking like a raccoon. Because tans show scars?
That's Trump. I stood then and stand now unimpressed.
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Post by Hank001 » Sat, 17. Feb 18, 05:35

Posted again about what's Trump like...

Okay I met hip at Trump Casino in late 80's. My mother and and step father were "High Rollers". I was on leave from US Air Force. He sneered when told this so I kept my eye on him. As I said, I was unimpressed. So was parents, they didn't go back, other casinos were better and I clean up at blackjack. Liked NV casinos better.

I have someone I've met on many occasions and admire. He's a musician and played gigs in and around New York state in early 90's when I was stationed in Rome NY. In 1970-71 he got on the top 10 with his first and only album to go big. Got booted from from most airwaves when a song about then President Nixon got him followed by the FBI. The irony is it seems to apply more to Trump.

I know this isn't the music forum but this version shows the lyrics. Judge for yourself, but it pretty much sums it up.

https://youtu.be/ScfUfsUlGro

As I said on the post on the music thread. I hope it opens eyes and ears!
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Post by felter » Sun, 18. Feb 18, 16:12

So he has blamed everyone for the school shooting, he has blamed the Democrats, he has blamed history, now he is currently blaming the FBI saying they are spending too much time investigating him. Does he actually believe that is all the FBI are doing is investigating him. Is it really surprising that he has taken a shocking event and made it all about Trump and his problems, that it is not fair on him.

At least the FBI have raised their hands and admitted the messed up, which is more than can be said about Trump. I noticed he hasn'r mentioned anything about him putting a stop to the bill to introduce a legal requirement set on stopping mentally ill people from getting firearms. He is also spending so much time blaming others he has conveniently forgot to mention what he is going to do to stop these senseless shootings from happening.

Someone also needs to tell him he has been in office for a year now, so anything bad that happens now falls squarely at his feet, that the buck stops at him and no one else, he has to take responsibility for the bad not just the good.
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Post by Hank001 » Sun, 18. Feb 18, 16:37

(Sigh) It's gotten somewhat to the point where if you passed a law to keep guns from the mentally ill you would be figuratively shooting his "core supporters" in the foot.
I wish that was a joke. It wasn't.
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Post by Axeface » Sun, 18. Feb 18, 16:49

felter wrote:Is it really surprising that he has taken a shocking event and made it all about Trump and his problems, that it is not fair on him.
He does that EVERYTIME something happens, EVERYTHING gets turned around in an attempt to make him look good and everyone else look incompetant. The man is a maniac.

And, related to the OP not that specific quote. I saw this the other day - its in spanish but you get the gist
https://scontent.fmvd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5B4E33CB

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Post by Hank001 » Sun, 18. Feb 18, 17:09

There are arguments at my University's medical school here about which group of personality disorders Trump is displaying. It's gotten quite heated. When a student complained about a lecture one professor was given a caution. She'd said, which leader does this diagnosis describe and outlined the symptoms then asked for the class' response. "Trump!" they said. The professor cited the credentials of the doctor the date 1937, the city of practice, Berlin and the person diagnosed. Adolf Hitler. The doctor was arrested by the Gestapo for practicing proscribed "psychoanalysis". Fate after arrest unknown.

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Post by clakclak » Sun, 18. Feb 18, 18:16

Hank001 wrote:There are arguments at my University's medical school here about which group of personality disorders Trump is displaying. It's gotten quite heated. When a student complained about a lecture one professor was given a caution. She'd said, which leader does this diagnosis describe and outlined the symptoms then asked for the class' response. "Trump!" they said. The professor cited the credentials of the doctor the date 1937, the city of practice, Berlin and the person diagnosed. Adolf Hitler. The doctor was arrested by the Gestapo for practicing proscribed "psychoanalysis". Fate after arrest unknown.

(True story)
I really utterly dislike it when people compare Trump to Hitler. Hitler was a man who caused a war that killed millions of people. He set about to systematically exterminate an entire group of people and anyone else who stood against him. Trump is not like Hitler. It trivialise Hitlers crimes.
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