Trump

[RegisterMe]

There was a period this thread was constantly bombarded with claim Trump will rewrite/break the Constitution and make himself a dictator. It was so much that I think the person in question secretly wish his fear to actually come true so his conspiracy can be validated.

That, I actually don't remember.

I certainly made comments about the risk of something like that happening (and I still think it's a risk), but risk shouldn't be confused with a statement that something will happen.

[fiksal]

There was a period this thread was constantly bombarded with claim Trump will rewrite/break the Constitution and make himself a dictator. It was so much that I think the person in question secretly wish his fear to actually come true so his conspiracy can be validated.

That, I actually don't remember.

I certainly made comments about the risk of something like that happening (and I still think it's a risk), but risk shouldn't be confused with a statement that something will happen.

Fair enough. While I think the risk is slow, he certainly shows and says that he'd not mind to change a few things in his favor.

[felter]

He has tried on numerous occasions to break the constitution, for example he has tried on several occasions to silence the press. Saying that, there is currently numerous legal court cases against what he has and is dong, and many of them are to do with him doing things that goes against the constitution. Remember he tried to get the FBI to get on his side and do as he said rather than what was right. He has tried to pervert the course of justice many a times, the list just goes on and on. So yes he has tried and the Republican party has backed him up on most occasions, wait actually all of them, so it's not just him that has tried to break the constitution but the whole republican party that has been trying to do it.

Since he came into the job, he has tried and luckily for America, he has failed in his attempt to become an American dictator. It has been mentioned many a times that what he was doing was in the confines of what a dictator would do and it is all there for the future to see and comment on.

[Observe]

I think Trump should buy Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala. Since they are shithole countries, we could probably get them for pennies on the dollar. Immigration problem solved.

[RegisterMe]

Oh..... guess who's going to Denmark in a couple of months.....?

Yup. Obama.

I guess Trump is still worried about the size of his crowds.

[Masterbagger]

There was a period this thread was constantly bombarded with claim Trump will rewrite/break the Constitution and make himself a dictator. It was so much that I think the person in question secretly wish his fear to actually come true so his conspiracy can be validated.

That, I actually don't remember.

I certainly made comments about the risk of something like that happening (and I still think it's a risk), but risk shouldn't be confused with a statement that something will happen.

I remember things like that being said about obama and bush. It seems to just be something people say to stir up hysteria. I think if you either live long enough to have heard it all before or just have a healthy skeptical mind you just get numb to the thought of panicking over anything. On the other side of things people who want to be outraged are going to seek out something to be outraged over. That is basically a huge chunk of our media. Finding or manufacturing things to be mad about is the national sport of a population that doesn't appreciate how exceptional their standard of living really is and what was paid to let them live it.

[RegisterMe]

..... of a population that doesn't appreciate how exceptional their standard of living really is and what was paid to let them live it.

That last point I completely agree with. I agree, to an extent, with the rest of your post, but wouldn't go as far as you. From where I sit there are legitimate things to be worried about in the US at the moment. Pretending that there aren't is just as dangerous as over-egging them.

[Bishop149]

@Bishop, i'm sorry, i completely misread your post. Ill leave it here (because unlike trump i can own up to my mistakes HAA), but, again, sorry bout that.

Thats ok, I was indeed backing you up but prehaps I should have phrased it better.

I remember things like that being said about obama and bush. It seems to just be something people say to stir up hysteria.

Small point: Obama did do this (I know less about Bush) . . . . up to a point. He dramatically strengthened and consolidated the powers of the Executive because the Legislative (in particular but also the Judiciary) was so often stacked against him.
Trump has now inherited that increased power, but doesn't really have that increased check of Congress to balance it (even now the house has flipped, because the democrat leadership is a mess), which makes his egomania and kleptocracy even more dangerous than it would have been 2 decades ago.

Eh you must be news to the thread. For the past 3 years this thread has been flooded with the "impeding doom by Trump" talk, so kinda late on that. On the record, nothing had really happened, and all those conspiracies had proven themselves to be little beyond self-indulge paranoia.

Ah, I see we've already forgotten the $2 trillion tax break he gave the billionaire class. Make no mistake, that absolutely fits the definition of "impending doom" . . . . it just won't really start to bite your society for about 10-20 years. But who cares right, this post is evidence that people can't even glance a mere two years into the past with any clarity so no one will correlate things in decades time will they?
Not to mention the damage he's doing to the US's role in combating climate change, at THIS point in history, even if Trump is just a 4 year hiccup he could prove catastrophic. But again, no one will make those correlations when it bites.
Just because tanks aren't rolling down the streets this very moment doesn't mean that immense damage isn't being wreaked . . . . .

[Vertigo 7]

If Trump were to purchase Greenland, would he claim everyone there isn't American and order ICE to deport them or are they white enough to let that slide?

[fiksal]

If Trump were to purchase Greenland, would he claim everyone there isn't American and order ICE to deport them or are they white enough to let that slide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_Inuit

Nope, I dont think he'd see them as white

[RegisterMe]

Let's see now....

1. Undermine the head of your central bank (somebody you appointed).
2. Call them an enemy.
3. Call the President of China an enemy.

in one tweet.

[felter]

So Trump has said that American firms are to stop doing trade with China he has said that they are to stop any production they do in China and to bring that production back to the US.

President Donald Trump says he has "hereby ordered" American companies to leave China, after Beijing announced plans to slap new tariffs on US goods.

Does this mean he is now bringing sanctions against China, because with the wording he is using that's what it sounds like to me.

[Mightysword]

Ah, I see we've already forgotten the $2 trillion tax break he gave the billionaire class. Make no mistake, that absolutely fits the definition of "impending doom"

That's a lot of lie/misinformation/hyperbolic in just a few statement.

- First, it's 1.5trillion, and that's going by the most progressive/negative outlook (compiled by left leaning organizations) with forecast that put the average growth only at 0.7% per years that will add 1tril deficit due to loss revenue from the 1.5trillion break. A moderate estimate at 1.7% growth put the additional deficit at 450bil. And the most promising forecast (compiled by gov/right learning organization) at 2.9% per year show a net positive of 1.8tril. As always, pick one narrative that pleases your eardrum, mileage may vary and they're probably all wrong anyway.

- Second: while it's true the top 5% will see the biggest break, and the lowest 20 percentile will gain the least, the people in the middle 60 (20-80) still received a fair chunk on increase in after tax income.

So saying something like "$2 trillion tax break he gave the billionaire class" is hyperbolic in bad faith and you know it.

Not to mention the damage he's doing to the US's role in combating climate change, at THIS point in history, even if Trump is just a 4 year hiccup he could prove catastrophic. But again, no one will make those correlations when it bites.
Just because tanks aren't rolling down the streets this very moment doesn't mean that immense damage isn't being wreaked . . . . .

Right ... the signature on a paper that probably serve nothing more than a symbolic gesture, the lack of one gonna doom us all. 30 years later when the earth implode and humanity is doomed, it will be all because of the signature of one man ... Do you want to take a look at what has been happening in the US since Trump took office? Using the energy sector as an example:

http://css.umich.edu/factsheets/us-rene ... -factsheet

https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ar ... .html#gref

On the tabloid (aka mainstream media) side:

of course you can expect something like this from https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/11/business ... index.html

But even Fx of all places ran this (rather useless article) a few days ago: https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/us-r ... xpert-says

See that? I'm pretty sure the US still did and has been doing a hell lot more some other significant signatories of that treaty, and the momentum of the country had show no sign to revert the gain. When Trump pulled out of that treaty literally more than half of the states pledged to continue their effort no matter what the Federal government said. As I said above America is not a freaking monarchy or dictatorship, it will not rise or fall because of one man. And as I also said if people want real environmental progress, they should pay more attention to real action then PR efforts lambasting on the news.

And @Fiskal, you claim not remembering some of the things I mentioned in my earlier post. I had a mind to go dig up some examples for you, but I think this post right here is as good an example as any.

[Masterbagger]

..... of a population that doesn't appreciate how exceptional their standard of living really is and what was paid to let them live it.

That last point I completely agree with. I agree, to an extent, with the rest of your post, but wouldn't go as far as you. From where I sit there are legitimate things to be worried about in the US at the moment. Pretending that there aren't is just as dangerous as over-egging them.

In a very general sense you and me are similar people looking at the same stuff with different perspectives. All that separates us is that I have total in America. Whatever is coming we can handle it. There is nothing on Earth that outsmarts or outguns America. Let's keep it that way. We will solve our internal disputes our own way. Everything is good until Texas secedes.

If Trump were to purchase Greenland, would he claim everyone there isn't American and order ICE to deport them or are they white enough to let that slide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_Inuit

Nope, I dont think he'd see them as white

Projecting racism. Playing the race card. Look at yourselves. You are the problem. Not Trump. You.

[fiksal]

If Trump were to purchase Greenland, would he claim everyone there isn't American and order ICE to deport them or are they white enough to let that slide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_Inuit

Nope, I dont think he'd see them as white

Projecting racism. Playing the race card. Look at yourselves. You are the problem. Not Trump. You.

Are you even replying to me?

Am I projecting Trump's racism or making fun of Trump's racism? Oh yes I am. How's that Greenland purchase coming there, buddy? Do you need a loan?

[Masterbagger]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_Inuit

Nope, I dont think he'd see them as white

Projecting racism. Playing the race card. Look at yourselves. You are the problem. Not Trump. You.

Are you even replying to me?

Am I projecting Trump's racism or making fun of Trump's racism? Oh yes I am. How's that Greenland purchase coming there, buddy? Do you need a loan?

You did your reflexive reaction and defaulted to a swipe at me and my country. Did nothing to me but maybe you feel better. But the forms must be obeyed. The problem with taking swipes at America is that we can point out how many flags we put on the moon and you can't. The forms have now been obeyed. The art of kanly is still alive. You strike at me and I must riposte but my heart is not in it. You are not a threat to me and never will be. I feel no animosity toward your actions in the manner of a sheepdog regarding it's wards and my point stands. I would like you to get back to it. Stop making everything about race. You feed something horrible and prevent it from dying. Whatever you hope to gain by race pimping is going to be tainted beyond use. Fix yourself or don't. This is not my battle. I give my views freely and you may freely disregard them. This is far more than others would offer you.

[Mightysword]

Am I projecting Trump's racism or making fun of Trump's racism?

Are you capable of receiving an honest answer to that question?

And making fun of racism heh? Guess it's not hard to see why people tend to miss their own delusion.

How's that Greenland purchase coming there, buddy? Do you need a loan?

Another fine example of what I have repeatedly state in this thread: people want to make thing a Trump thing. I wonder if the people who are mocking the intention of buying Greenland are actually aware this has always been a thing for the US since ... the 19 century? That interest has pretty much stay constant for 100+ years and even did mature into a concrete offer at some point. China also wanted a piece of it to help with their projecting of power (similar to the artificial island they built awhile back). Given the strategic location, the many interest from different super powers and the rhetoric flying in between them, I won't be surprise if one day it turns into a Balkan situation.

So yeah, feel free to make a mockery out of it. I'm not saying I like the idea or in support of it, but to the people who are less ignorant of history, we see even a bigger mockery being displayed here.

[pjknibbs]

So yeah, feel free to make a mockery out of it. I'm not saying I like the idea or in support of it, but to the people who are less ignorant of history, we see even a bigger mockery being displayed here.

The problem isn't so much his attempt to buy Greenland but him throwing his toys out of the pram when said attempt was refused. I mean, you offer to buy a piece of land belonging to a sovereign nation and then cancel a planned visit to that nation when they refuse? You think this is a good action for a head of state to be taking?

(Oh, and in actual fact, Greenland is an autonomous dependency of Denmark anyway, so it's actually up to them to decide if they want to be bought by someone else--Trump needs to be speaking to Greenland's leaders, not Denmark's).

[Masterbagger]

So yeah, feel free to make a mockery out of it. I'm not saying I like the idea or in support of it, but to the people who are less ignorant of history, we see even a bigger mockery being displayed here.

The problem isn't so much his attempt to buy Greenland but him throwing his toys out of the pram when said attempt was refused. I mean, you offer to buy a piece of land belonging to a sovereign nation and then cancel a planned visit to that nation when they refuse? You think this is a good action for a head of state to be taking?

You need something new to be mad at Trump over and you found it. I shudder to think of what fresh outrage will assail you next week.

[Mightysword]

The problem isn't so much his attempt to buy Greenland but him throwing his toys out of the pram when said attempt was refused.

Pretty sure it's both. Most of Trump action is hardly original, most of what he did or doing are what others talked for years, he just kicked the ball rolling, albeit usually in a manner that few people actually expected.

(Oh, and in actual fact, Greenland is an autonomous dependency of Denmark anyway, so it's actually up to them to decide if they want to be bought by someone else--Trump needs to be speaking to Greenland's leaders, not Denmark's).

I actually wanted to say Falkands in my previous, don't know why I keep saying Balkan. But yes, there is a reason why I said what I just said about won't be surprise if it turns into something like Falkands. We both know it's not as simple as you said, I'm sure Greenland will have a say if things ever get in motion, but unless we want to go in Argentina style it's a moot point before Denmark accepts it.