Trump

[Grim Lock]

I did not know about Barr and Murdoch, but well obviously i guessed as much lol What a sad sad mockery of themselves they've become, republicans are all constitution this and that, seems to me they'd love to re-write the freedom of speech part to reflect "freedom of speech!!! (unless it's against Trump!! GRRR!!)". They should rename the reps party to "the authoritarians"

[Masterbagger]

Internet trolls made a video to provoke fake outrage that they will then laugh at. Newsworthy, indeed.

It may well have been made by "internet trolls*" but someone at American Priority obviously liked it enough to show it at one of their events hosted at one of Mr Trumps properties and attended by Mr Trump's son and his former Press Secretary.

*It's funny how supporters of Mr Trump are so keen to dismiss anything bad done by one of their number as "just a troll" and yet get rather upset when their own sycophancy is dismissed in the same manner.

I could say the same thing to you. I don't remember your outrage when Kathy Griffin held up that bloody severed head prop and that was made with no effort at humor. To those on the extreme of being anti Trump this is just a means to get mad and project hate on people who had nothing at all to do with it because it feels good. I don't care either way. I watched the video and was not very amused. I have seen better parody.

Trumpasaurus Rex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSK3WvIPtBs

As for Syria. I do hope someone has told Trump that he is solely responsible for all the deaths including over 150 civilians, that's men, women and children. When he pulled those troops, he personally put a gun against their heads, pulled the trigger, now they are dead, that's what he has done, he should be charged with mass murder. Now everyone else is left scrambling trying to clean up his crime scene, even the Russians are stepping in. The guy is nothing but a wrecking ball, a total cluster ****, an accident that has already happened, Americas worst ever President.

If you feel so strongly about this then no one is holding you back to go do something about it. I bet you can afford a trip to Syria and the local cost of a rifle plus the basics of an infantryman's kit. Get after it. If you can't afford it I will help fund your trip. You work out the logistics and send me a quote on what it will take to get you there with a rifle in your hand. If you decide you don't want to go then you perfectly understand my position.

[Vertigo 7]

As for Syria. I do hope someone has told Trump that he is solely responsible for all the deaths including over 150 civilians, that's men, women and children. When he pulled those troops, he personally put a gun against their heads, pulled the trigger, now they are dead, that's what he has done, he should be charged with mass murder. Now everyone else is left scrambling trying to clean up his crime scene, even the Russians are stepping in. The guy is nothing but a wrecking ball, a total cluster ****, an accident that has already happened, Americas worst ever President.

If you feel so strongly about this then no one is holding you back to go do something about it. I bet you can afford a trip to Syria and the local cost of a rifle plus the basics of an infantryman's kit. Get after it. If you can't afford it I will help fund your trip. You work out the logistics and send me a quote on what it will take to get you there with a rifle in your hand. If you decide you don't want to go then you perfectly understand my position.

Right. One man with a rifle and a canteen with no training, no logistical support, no backup, no intel, and no extraction against 2 armies. What could go wrong?

[Grim Lock]

Al Trump had to do was notify the allies of the US about his intentions to pull out of Syria and this whole bloody mess could have been prevented. THAT is what the problem was, the US AGAIN not treating it's allies like allies. If even that is what makes Trumpians go Hell yeah good job we didn't want to be there anyway, They really are idiotic egomaniacs just like the orange baboon, completely incapable of mustering even the slightest criticism against the great cheetoh-christ stupid-czar.

Kim Jong Un hopes his population is as blindly following him as Trumpians Trump.

[Bishop149]

I could say the same thing to you. I don't remember your outrage when Kathy Griffin held up that bloody severed head prop and that was made with no effort at humor. To those on the extreme of being anti Trump this is just a means to get mad and project hate on people who had nothing at all to do with it because it feels good. I don't care either way. I watched the video and was not very amused. I have seen better parody.

I tire of this whataboutism and projection.
You have NO idea what I think about Kathy Griffin's skit and yet here you are projecting yourself on to me.
Also there is a slight difference between a comedian putting on a skit for a network and the tacit endorsement of such a skit by the President of the USA (he has, of course, more openly endorsed such skits in the past).
You'll also note that he's singularly failed to condemn it.

If you feel so strongly about this then no one is holding you back to go do something about it. I bet you can afford a trip to Syria and the local cost of a rifle plus the basics of an infantryman's kit. Get after it. If you can't afford it I will help fund your trip. You work out the logistics and send me a quote on what it will take to get you there with a rifle in your hand. If you decide you don't want to go then you perfectly understand my position.

I wouldn't really expect you to understand this what with the ultra-militaristic mindset you display (the post above being proof enough of that)
But it's just possible that some people think that murdering more people (personally) isn't a good solution to the problem of people being murdered.

If you wanted to dump on felter for his personal inaction (supposed that is, neither you nor I know what they have or haven't done) how about you suggest what I've done in the past . . . go into a war zone WITHOUT a gun with the intention to help rather than murder (full disclosure: I was paid to do so, not a volunteer but worked with plenty of those too.) Or perhaps something more realistic and attainable? Such as donating the cost of that military equipment you suggest them buying to an aid organisation instead?
No? Of course not. Violence over compassion every time, huh?

[Vertigo 7]

I've been telling ya, Trumpanzies are a lost cause. I mean, ffs, there was even a school teacher in Iowa that suggested shooting Greta Thurnburg since she was going to be speaking at a climate change rally. Seriously... shooting a 16 y/o girl for what possible reason?

[BugMeister]

Do the fandango..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okviIWB0c5c

Repent, ye sinners!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1nJw5vuhFM

- more popcorn..!!

[Tycow]

If this letter from Trump to Erdogan is real, it is astounding:

https://mobile.twitter.com/trish_regan/ ... 61/photo/1

[felter]

It reads like something that a pre-mature teenager would write. Seeing as it comes from a FOX news/business presenter is not good for him, but knowing the mentality of both FOX news and Trump supporters, they probably think it makes him look good. It doesn't.

[Vertigo 7]

Trump proving once again he only uses the best words.

[Masterbagger]

I wouldn't really expect you to understand this what with the ultra-militaristic mindset you display (the post above being proof enough of that)
But it's just possible that some people think that murdering more people (personally) isn't a good solution to the problem of people being murdered.

If you wanted to dump on felter for his personal inaction (supposed that is, neither you nor I know what they have or haven't done) how about you suggest what I've done in the past . . . go into a war zone WITHOUT a gun with the intention to help rather than murder (full disclosure: I was paid to do so, not a volunteer but worked with plenty of those too.) Or perhaps something more realistic and attainable? Such as donating the cost of that military equipment you suggest them buying to an aid organisation instead?
No? Of course not. Violence over compassion every time, huh?

The guy you are bashing as militaristic wants nothing to do with conflict between the Turks and the Kurds. I would not go to it or demand someone else go on my behalf. We didn't make Turkey invade. If you want a piece of that mess that is all you.

[Rug]

The guy you are bashing as militaristic wants nothing to do with conflict between the Turks and the Kurds.

American forces were in the region to prevent the Turks and Kurds from fighting, rather than to assist in the conflict in some way. The sudden withdrawal without allowing for any time to replace the peace-keeping forces was always going to lead to violence - which it did in basically a matter of hours. So I don't think you can spin that as being pro-peace in any way. You seem to continue to support the man who was directly responsible for allowing this violence to go ahead, but hey - it's not Americans doing the fighting so it's not your fault ???

Rug

[felter]

So what did Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan think on Trumps letter he threw it in the bin. Meanwhile everyone apart from 60 Republicans denounced the withdrawal of the troops, so event he Republicans have grown a spine over this and it could be just another notch in the Trump impeachment ladder, if even the Republicans are finally standing up to him. All he had to do was go to the UN and say, listen I'm going to pull our troops out, can someone else replace them, and I suspect others would have been found. Instead he decided to kill all those people, he is as much to blame as Erdogan is and even the majority of his own Republican party agrees with that.

[Bishop149]

The guy you are bashing as militaristic wants nothing to do with conflict between the Turks and the Kurds. I would not go to it or demand someone else go on my behalf. We didn't make Turkey invade. If you want a piece of that mess that is all you.

You don't care about the conflict your government initiated, you don't care you abandoned your former allies and want "nothing to do with" it. There's that void of compassion again*.
Pretty despicable IMO by you are entitled to your opinion.
Yet, your suggestion to someone who DOES care was: "Pick up a gun and join in!".
Unless you are being either facetious or hypocritical I can only assume this would be your own approach if there was a conflict you DID give a hoot about.
Hence, "militaristic".

*This in my mind is one of my largest objection to right wing thinking. SO much of it is couched in sentiments totally lacking in any and all empathy or compassion.
How often do we hear arguments that boil down to:
- "Why should I care about that?"
- "Nothing to do with me, is it?
- "Why should I use resources I worked hard for to help other people? They should just work like I did"
- "If those people have a problem, why don't they fix it themselves!?"

This last one I find particularly infuriating as there seems to be nothing the people that say it HATE more than when "those people" actually do start to do what they suggest. As soon as they take effective action to push back and fight aggressively for their own interests the right wingers start whinging about their "freedoms" being inhibited.

[Vertigo 7]

Masterbaggers response is not shocking, infuriating, sure, but surprising, no. Trumpanzies have never shown any ability to give a shit about anyone other than themselves. He's even admitted his reasons for supporting his orange overlord was for his own gains. And a bunch of people getting slaughtered along the way is just the cost of doing business. Ends justifying the means is a way of life for these narcissistic psychopaths.

You would think that when you have groups like the KKK on your side, you would stop and question if you're doing the right things. But no, not these guys. They just hide behind their religion and claim any who oppose them are socialists.

The truth is they're all terrified. When the US was on a path towards true equality for all, they couldn't have that. They need to have people to feel superior to. There always has to be someone at the bottom of the barrel for them to point and laugh and and to blame all of their problems on. With out that, their entire identity shatters.

[BugMeister]

There always has to be someone at the bottom of the barrel for them to point and laugh and and to blame all of their problems on. With out that, their entire identity shatters.

- the very essence of fascism..

[Vertigo 7]

There always has to be someone at the bottom of the barrel for them to point and laugh and and to blame all of their problems on. With out that, their entire identity shatters.

- the very essence of fascism..

More accurately, neo-facism. Everything there describes Trumpanzies to a "T".

[Vertigo 7]

You guys sate side should write to your reps in congress. I just sent this to Rep Palmer:

Dear Congressman Palmer,

I'm writing you today because I'm deeply concerned about the direction our country and political landscape has been moving in for the last 3 years and change. This uprising of ultra nationalism and frankly policy favoring racism from the White House has got to stop. Being a patriot does not mean disparaging human beings that don't have it as well off as we do. The American people are better than that, and our government must reflect that.

We are teetering on the brink of shifting our government from a democracy to one that embodies neo-facism. The President's actions are a clear shift in that direction under the guise of patriotism. His sycophants stand up and cheer as our government crumbles beneath his feet.

Our country was not built on hate. It was built on a desire for freedom. Policies from the White House that deny freedoms to any individual (barring criminal conviction) do not reflect the integrity of our country or the intent of the Constitution.

I'm begging you, as one American citizen to another, please help stop this madness. Rebuke this president, help return honor to our country and give our allies around the world reason again to be proud to have us at their side.

If you don't take a stand now, you are opening the door for the next president, regardless of their political alignment, to ignore congress and act as they please without fear of consequence.

Not only that, the more isolated we are from our allies provides opportunity for Russia, North Korea, and whoever else that thinks they have may have a shot to attack us on our own soil. While I don't doubt the capabilities of our on military to defend this nation, would it not be better for us and the world at large to deter that before it happens? We need our allies as much as they need us. We are stronger together than we are apart.

I urge you to consider what tomorrow may bring if you fail to act now.

Thank you for your time.

I'm sure the Trumpanzies will point and laugh, but idgaf. I've got nothing to loose by trying and I highly doubt they could have any meaningful rebuttal. Just more of the same hate rhetoric they're so fond of spewing.

Anywho, you guys should and encourage others to do the same. https://www.house.gov/representatives

[Bishop149]

You guys sate side should write to your reps in congress. I just sent this to Rep Palmer:

I applaud you for making the attempt but if it's this guy I wouldn't hold out very much hope.
Looks like a wrong'un

I recently listened to a sci-fi podcast (Escape Pod for those interested) who latest story (Martian Chronicles by Cory Doctorow*) contained the following passage, which summarised the core issue with Right-libertarianism thinking rather nicely I think.

“No, Dave. I do get it. Do you know what cognitive dissonance is?”

We’d studied it in school, but I hadn’t paid a lot of attention.

“It’s like when you believe something and the facts don’t agree with it.”

“That’s right. So say, for example, that you believe that the world is fair, but when you look around it, you see that you have so very much more than everyone else.” I could see where this was going. I began to walk away, but he floated and skipped after me, continuing to talk. “So you have cognitive dissonance. How can the world be fair if you have more than everyone else? It must be fair for you to have more, then, right? And how can that be? It can only be if you are better than everyone else — and everyone else is therefore worse than you ”

*The political bent of this story should come as no surprise to anyone with any familiarity with Doctorow, also the story of how this story came to be named as what it is is kinda interesting too.

[Vertigo 7]

It may well be futile of me to try to get him to see reason, but as I said, I've got nothing to loose in the attempt and everything to gain if there is even the slightest bit of acknowledgement on the side of the congressman.