BugMeister wrote: ↑Wed, 20. Feb 19, 05:26
yet again Trump tarnishes an organisation, merely by his association with it..
The "Nobel Peace Prize" is awarded a bit differently than the more prestigious "Nobel Prize." It has enough of it's own history of being
controversial before anything involving Trump.
Elizabeth Warren for Pope..!!
She's an idiot. More than that, she's disgraceful, pandering in the most absurd way to claw whatever support she can get. She spouts stupid crap trying to look "cool" and promotes ideas that are dumb, won't work, but have a lot of support from people who are likely dumb and don't work, too...
(Yes, that was a bit harsh. I really support The People's Right to Choose." But, it was too good an opportunity for a cutting joke...
)Out of the huge stable of Democrat Hopefuls or anyone else running for President in 2020, she's far down on the bottom of the list of competent candidates. In her bid to "look exciting," she's long left the path of reason. THIS is a problem, in general, with all Democratic candidates and it's what they've suffered from for years - They are all-too-frequently hollow, limp, wet, socks... They don't have a plan, don't have a program, don't have anything more than "let's get excited about me" platforms, grasping at anything that they think can get popular support while still qualifying as being labeled "Liberal, Progressive, Left, Not-Republican." And, Warren couldn't win the Swing Vote at a Door Convention.
Mightysword wrote: ↑Wed, 20. Feb 19, 08:10
There is always perspective, and in case you forget I ALWAYS talk in perspective. The whole North Korean talk to us bystander probably came across as to little, or even nothing. Because it has nothing to do with us, so we can all sit here in the comfy of our chair and dream about some grandeur result, to which standard the whole thing looks no more than a hoax. But to the people who directly affected by it, it means something difference. It's no coincident when I monitor the public opinion of the countries directly involved: China/Japan/South Korea (can't do NK for obvious reason), each at the very least with have some measured respect of the US's involvement. In fact, the only media that dismiss the things in full blast ... comically but unsurprisingly came from those who have zero skate on the issue.
Then, maybe it's a case of a regional collection of countries that are far too involved in drinking their own brand of Kool Aid than having an appropriate perspective? The only things those "talks" accomplished was to make it easier for DPRK to get photo-ops and positive P.R. The true result was the same as previous outreach results with KJI - They do something that puts forth an image of conciliation, but is in fact meaningless and only serves the purpose of strengthening the current Kim-family ruler and obfuscating their true intent.
History of failure,
All the times North Korea Has Promised to Denuclearize.
So, if regional and involved countries are regarding Trump's session with KJU as exceptional and are not dismissing it, as reality and history suggests they should do at this point, then they're just taking another big, long, swig of their own brand of Kool Aid. Maybe it makes them feel better and helps to alleviate anxiety? Maybe China enjoys seeing tensions reduced, even if the cause of that is a lie? Maybe Japan is glad that people are reading about something else other than their crazy economy and the fact that they can't make babies anymore?
The fact is that the world's most heavily populated city is still under the very real threat of a nuclear-armed DPRK that has not demonstrated restraint or a willingness to truly fulfill the objective of a collective peace. DPRK remains a hostile nation that is often unpredictable on purpose in order to escalate tensions so it can get what it wants.
And, you're saying nations in the regions are happy about this? They have a "measure of respect of the US's involvement?" I let rip a huge fart yesterday. It is worthy of "respect." It could have even won an award! But, was it truly meaningful? Significant? Truly worthy of some measure of respect? Well,
I think so, but I don't think anyone else would have. Though, if they knew its power, I would be the "Emperor of the Elevator" with a captive audience! And... so is KJU and DPRK and they know it.
Hey, there is a big gap between getting nominated and getting awarded, and I think that gap is big enough to make Obama's award a lot more absurd.
Now if Trump actually wins it ...
Well, I'd agree, just like I'd agree Gore's award was silly. For too long they have used that award as some sort of public affirmation of an idea or policy that they thing should be promoted, not for an award for "achievement." This is like having a "Great Ideas Committee" that sits around with hands in each other's laps proposing "ideas" but takes little action to actually "do anything."
However, it's their award. I honestly think they should give it to whoever they want to give it to. But, I reserve judgement on whether or not I should interpret it as being significant or worthy of attention. And, if Trump gets it... Well, in that case, they might as well start including Nobel Peace Prize Award Applications in "Happy Meal" boxes.