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Posted: Sat, 10. Feb 18, 04:28
by felter
Your talking about Alf Razzel, AKA Raz. You can see him and hear him talk about the Somme and the story of Bill Hubbard
from a 1991 documentary A game of Ghosts. I started the video at a part where Raz is talking but I recommend watching it from the start. It's a very sad program but war and death should be like that. He was 90 when that film was made, don't know when he passed but I seem to have a recollection of hearing about it when he did, just can't remember when.
Posted: Sat, 10. Feb 18, 10:29
by BugMeister
excellent panel discussion chaired by Bill Maher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw0KN4V0N0s
- there is much wisdom here..
one can imagine Trump standing in the dock, grinning luridly, waving his arms, claiming that he does not recognise the authority of the court..
not as ignominious an end as say, Gadafi or Sadaam - but an end nonetheless..
Posted: Sat, 10. Feb 18, 20:42
by Morkonan
Chaired by Bill Maher and there's... wisdom there? No darn way.
Posted: Sat, 10. Feb 18, 22:06
by Santi
Consensus seems to be "A selloff in U.S. stocks earlier this week was in large part sparked by the Feb. 2 monthly U.S. employment report which showed the largest year-on-year increase in average hourly earnings since June 2009."
Worth reading for more information
Quite relevant as well is the extra funding of 300k million dollars approved by Congress, mainly because legislatives elections are coming up, so both parties want to make voters happy.
300k million dollars, defence will get 165000 millions, infrastructures 20000 millions, fight against opioids addictions 6000 millions, children health care 5800 millions, veterans 4000 millions. And another 90000 millions for the natural disasters of Texas, Florida and Puerto Rico.
Posted: Mon, 12. Feb 18, 06:32
by Morkonan
Santi wrote:
Consensus seems to be "A selloff in U.S. stocks earlier this week was in large part sparked by the Feb. 2 monthly U.S. employment report which showed the largest year-on-year increase in average hourly earnings since June 2009."
...
Inflation is a concern. But, the more radical shifts are due to worries that the market is simply "Too High" and is just itching for a correction. Sell-offs and quick buy-backs are people trying to beat "The Correction" and people trying to do as they always do - Make money through buying low and selling high.
Fortunes aren't made on the rise, they're made on the fall... We'll probably have several episodes of this as the market tries to figure out when it's going to correct.
Posted: Mon, 12. Feb 18, 20:51
by felter
So Don JR's wife and two others have been taken to hospital after opening a letter addressed to her husband, the letter turned out to contain a white powder. While I admit I am no fan of Trump or his family, doing things like that is just so wrong and I hope they catch whomever is responsible for the letter. Turns out the the powder was not dangerous but that doesn't matter, the fear that it does is still there.
Posted: Mon, 12. Feb 18, 21:18
by Santi
BugMeister wrote:one can imagine Trump standing in the dock, grinning luridly, waving his arms, claiming that he does not recognise the authority of the court..
not as ignominious an end as say, Gaddafi or Saddam - but an end nonetheless..
You are overdoing it to be honest. And it is in bad taste as well.
Posted: Mon, 12. Feb 18, 23:52
by Morkonan
felter wrote:So Don JR's wife and two others have been taken to hospital after opening a letter addressed to her husband, the letter turned out to contain a white powder. While I admit I am no fan of Trump or his family, doing things like that is just so wrong and I hope they catch whomever is responsible for the letter. Turns out the the powder was not dangerous but that doesn't matter, the fear that it does is still there.
Very true!
I wonder, though, what Trump is going to make out of this, though. Well, "worry" is a more appropriate word. Will he use it for another off-the-wall Tweet? Claim it was done by "illegal immigrants" and try to declare Martial Law? I hope he says nothing, but I've been hoping that since his election...
Posted: Tue, 13. Feb 18, 00:35
by BugMeister
Threats to democracy in the Trump era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-s9xx-dN5E
- probably totally irrelevant..
Posted: Tue, 13. Feb 18, 00:45
by Mightysword
Santi wrote:
You are overdoing it to be honest. And it is in bad taste as well.
I would say that apply to the majority of the things people railing against Trump, either in this thread or in real life. And people wonder why a chunk of the population kinda just ... ignore those. People might say they're having a discussion or debate, but IMO there isn't much point if the only people you gonna convince is ... yourself.
It's something I have been saying even before the election, the way some people carry themselves they probably don't realize that they do far more damage to their cause then Trump can try. The more noise you create for own satisfaction, the bigger the risk you gonna dilute the message that actually matter. Especially against someone like Trump who ... you know, kinda is a master of that, I think a lot of people railing against him are unwittingly assisting Trump, by (probably not on purpose) showing others that they can not be taken seriously.
Posted: Tue, 13. Feb 18, 02:45
by Masterbagger
Mightysword wrote:I think a lot of people railing against him are unwittingly assisting Trump, by (probably not on purpose) showing others that they can not be taken seriously.
And I just remembered people protested Trump by marching while dressed in vagina suits.
Posted: Tue, 13. Feb 18, 15:25
by Morkonan
Masterbagger wrote:Mightysword wrote:I think a lot of people railing against him are unwittingly assisting Trump, by (probably not on purpose) showing others that they can not be taken seriously.
And I just remembered people protested Trump by marching while dressed in vagina suits.
And Trump supporters wearing white hoods was a thing, too...
"People" do crazy stuff.
PS- I missed out seeing the vagina costumes, so I googled it. Disturbing... I do remember seeing a lot of pink hats on election day and wondering what those were all about. Turns out that they're related. I think I'll wear a gorilla suit for the next Presidential election and ride one of those little electric cars, maybe a dump-truck or something. I'll carry a sign that say's "Say No to Trees" and hand out bicycle pedals to everyone with an "I Voted" sticker... Why? Heck, I'd get my pic on the interwebz, at least...
Posted: Wed, 14. Feb 18, 01:18
by Mightysword
Morkonan wrote:
"People" do crazy stuff.
I'm not saying people can't do crazy stuffs, I'm just saying don't be crazy and expect to be taken serious. I didn't even mean something like wearing a vagina costume. But if on one hand you want to bash Trump for his crazyness, immature blah blah blah, and on the other hand you see pretty much the same people citing youtube personality, satire talkshow, and comedians as legit new source ... or even better, wake up every morning and fantasizing about what Trump would do and go "OMG HE'S SO BAD" ... all in your head. Then well ...
Not saying there isn't legit reasons to gripe him about, but the point I'm making here is because his so call "distractors" are creating so much noise for shite and giggles that the actual message pretty much drown out in a sea of shite. Again, they damage their own cause without realizing it.
Funny thing, you rarely if ever heard the Trump supporters asking something like "I don't understand why people doesn't support him". Yet "I don't understand why people can support Trump" is a common question. Those asking that question just have to look at the mirror, they will find one of the answer right there. Like I said, just like how some people like me was able to predict Trump's win, despte not being his support. The answers is fairly easy to find ... as long as people are willingly to look at right place. Or at this point, I should say: if people are brave enough to look at the right place.
Btw, I wouldn't even call wearing a vagina suit as crazy, whatever the intended purpose is. I would just call it stupid. But then again, my different view and perception could be just down to cultural difference.
Posted: Wed, 14. Feb 18, 01:53
by RegisterMe
I've disagreed with you on many occasions in this thread, mightysword, but I think I agree with everything you said in the preceding post.
I was going to argue the toss about the value of comedy and satire, then I realised that were there, for instance, alt-right comedy and satire, I would think it a) stupid and b) unfunny. Bepo the frog stands out as an obvious example that fits for me. Anyway, I suspect those of the opposite political persuasion to me would think the same thing about the satirical shows and comedians I find illuminating.
Posted: Wed, 14. Feb 18, 13:58
by clakclak
Mightysword wrote:Morkonan wrote:
"People" do crazy stuff.
I'm not saying people can't do crazy stuffs, I'm just saying don't be crazy and expect to be taken serious. I didn't even mean something like wearing a vagina costume. But if on one hand you want to bash Trump for his crazyness, immature blah blah blah, and on the other hand you see pretty much the same people citing youtube personality, satire talkshow, and comedians as legit new source ...[...]
That is a good point. From now on I will try to rely even heavier on more reliable news sources, even though I think the shadiest one I brought up so far was probably yahoo news.
However I see one small problem. If one is at the point were a site like the daily stormer/Breitbart (or the communist newsletter so this isn't to one sided) is seen as a reliable website, than one is also at a point where ones definition of a reliable newssource is vastly different from that of the majority. A person who adheres to sutch an extrem point of view will for example not see the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal or The Boston Globe as a reliable newssource. If one is now so far gone than I think it is hard/impossiable to engage them in meaningful dialogue.
Posted: Wed, 14. Feb 18, 15:26
by Morkonan
clakclak wrote:...A person who adheres to sutch an extrem point of view will for example not see the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal or The Boston Globe as a reliable newssource. If one is now so far gone than I think it is hard/impossiable to engage them in meaningful dialogue.
That's largely true. You can't have a substantive discussion/debate/argument with someone if you don't both share the same basic standards of judgement.
Imagine someone with a different belief or value system than "mainstream" or whatever current culture considers as "normal values" being confronted, day after day, with publications and news outlets that tell them in no uncertain terms that they are "wrong." The read the N.Y. Times and are told that cats are better than dogs. They read The Washington Post and, with their newfound sensitivity to such things, feel like they're being bombarded with uncomfortable and ever-present reminders in articles that the value system being thrust into their face values cats more than it values dogs. They've lived their whole life with dogs, know dogs, love dogs, yet all these "mainstream" news outlets keep pushing cats in their face.
It doesn't matter if all these publications have truly accurate information on other subjects. All that will be tainted by their overwhelming preference for cats. So, instead of being forced to put to the question their own value system, they retreat to more isolated news sources that cater to their love for dogs. The self-validation these "news sources" bring for their readers also lends itself towards validating, in the minds of their readers, the credibility of other claims, even in "news stories" that are largely fiction or false or horribly biased.
(Obviously, a hypothetical analysis, since everyone knows dogs are better than cats.)
Posted: Wed, 14. Feb 18, 16:35
by Morkonan
On the subject of "Holy crap, nobody will ever believe this happened, but it's true, honest!"
Trump's lawyer says he paid $130,000 to porn star ahead of election
Of his own money. With absolutely no reimbursement whatsoever from Trump or any campaign funds. None. Just coughed up 130k for a porn actress and Trump's probable bang-session because he loves Trump so much and wants to protect him...
Riiiiiight.
Posted: Wed, 14. Feb 18, 16:44
by mrbadger
I read that a few days back, no, I don't beleive he did it out of his own pocket, no-one does that.
But it all reads like so much circus to me now, I can't take any of it seriously any more.
Posted: Wed, 14. Feb 18, 16:54
by Morkonan
mrbadger wrote:I read that a few days back, no, I don't beleive he did it out of his own pocket, no-one does that.
But it all reads like so much circus to me now, I can't take any of it seriously any more.
Sad, isn't it? At least for "Muricans, if not for others.
If the headline tomorrow was "Trump puts his privates into a pencil-sharpener every morning so he can stay sharp" I don't think anyone would blink. The absurdity is just another bad storyline in a overly-hyped television drama. White House "Press Conferences" are just "gaslight" sessions. There's no news there, just endless..
"We're awesome and we're still as awesome as I told you we were yesterday, so we really don't think we need to answer any more questions that revolve around us not being awesome, since we already told you were so very, very, very, awesome and Trump is the awesomest, because we told you he was awesome and you can look that up by Googling "Awesome" rather than me having to repeat it, again. Awesomely."
The entire Administration appears to be focused on just one thing - Making the lie as real as it can be without actually, really, being real. :/
Posted: Wed, 14. Feb 18, 17:34
by felter
This is the sort of reason that Trump does not want anyone to see his tax statements, as a payment of 130K would be listed in that and we all know one and one equals Trumps a fraud.