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Re: Playing other games

Post by Morkonan » Sun, 27. Jan 19, 19:45

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Was Apolyton an official site? I'd always assumed so. -
No, not really. Firaxis embraced many of the fanbased communities, though, so an "official community" was really never a thing.
...A significant proportion of people would cheat, because they'd assumed there'd be no way they could be unmasked. :(
I don't even know why people consider "cheating" a viable gaming choice when playing against other players. To me, it's an immediate indication of bad character and a demonstration of personally unethical ideals. Some children could be exempt, a bit, from such judgement, but anyone over the age of 10 should be forming a much sounder world-view. Sadly, that's not the case these days.
You know, I've never played Alpha Centauri, but have heard good things about it. -
You're missing out. Seriously. It's a wholly different experience, but a better one in many, many, ways. Each faction "feels different." That's a different quality than just "plays different." Faction leaders are meaningful and the world "feels alive." Every player not only has to deal with the other factions, but the world itself and very significant choices to be made about the future. It is @$$@$%'in awesome. It is not a classic "Civilzation Game" experience and it's all the better for it.

Edit:Add - I wanted to also say that there is definitely a sort of "story" in the game. It's one of the first 4X games that "evolves" story elements as you play. Also, Faction Leaders are fairly unique when compared to previous Civ games and their personalities are tailored accordingly. And, eventually units can be customized and upgraded all the way to upgrading specific bits of the unit and giving units unique looks via the same sort of "attach to null" method that Galactic Civilization used. ie: "So, you want to create a unit that's made out of a hoverbike with a big blaster canon hanging off of it? No problem! Oh, you just want to do that for only one unit? NO PROBLEM!" A lot of unique ideas in that game. There is, however, one downside at least with the version that I played - There isn't a "Music Track." Instead, it's a long droning out bit of background noise, IIRC. I think they added one, though, in a later release. But, if not, just play some nice sort of sci-fi background music. Hmm, maybe buying the X4 Music Pack would be a good choice? :)
...I challenge anyone to find a better civ-style 4x turn based wargame in the last 20 years. - If they do, I'd be delighted to play it.
That's a tall order to fill, especially if you're talking about one that is multiplayer friendly. For myself, I prefer Civ IV with some caveats. I haven't played V or VI, so can't speak to them.

One issue is critical, IMO, in all Civ games up to Civ V, in which I think they put some serious effort into combating - The "Trade" AI. In Civ IV, mods were made to attempt to correct this problem, but none of them were fully successful while still keeping Diplomacy and Trade alive in their version of the game. The problem revolved around an extremely easy way to win the game by taking advantage of how Civ's Diplomacy and Trade AI worked, specifically with how much it valued technologies. "Tech Trading" was the way a player could literally bankrupt the AI and force it to do what they wanted, whenever they wanted. I had a friend who I played multiplayer with and he used that strategy all the time. He used it so regularly that I don't think he could have played the game without using that strategy. Granted, it's "in the game" and, thus, people think it's an available strategy, but it completely breaks gameplay... For the Tech-Trading player, the game gets to the point where the AI's are reliant on the player to sell them Technology because they don't have any money to do anything else other than buy Technology from the player... The player rapes their wallets and ends the game fighting the last stack of club-wielding savages with their tanks and bombers ...

And, don't get me started on "Bomber Strategy" which is wtfstupid-OP, eventually. :)
If we do start a league, I'll certainly supply you with a link.
That'd be cool! What you guys should really try to do is Twitch stream your games! There are bunches of people that would love to see multiplayer 4X gaming, especially Civ games! And, you'd attract some attention, maybe get some others playing, and might be able to at least finance your servers with the proceeds. Hmmm... What about a sort of "Competitive 4X Multiplayer Stream" kind of channel if you get enough members? You could leverage that to build your group membership. You'd probably have to have a few more modern additions to your playlist, but the backbone could be all those "Great Oldies" that people remember having so much fun with.
...But anyway, to underline, if anyone knows of a more modern Civ style 4x 'wargame' online/PBEM I'd love to know about it.
Do you want to stay in the historical "Earth" milieu, or would you be open to fantasy/sci-fi/alternative settings? There are all sorts of good choices out there, from "Dominions" series (Supports a large number of players, PBEM too I think), "Endless Legend" (not sure how it works in MP) up through "Europa Universalis" and the like.

I cut my teeth on "Empire Deluxe" back in the day. :) That was a heck of a lot of multiplayer fun, all things considered. Simple play, but simple can be a lot of fun.

PS - On the OT of "Playing other games" I'm about to go click "Purchase" on "Kenshi." I think my current rig will play it, but I haven't yet put one together to play X4 with. That should come in the next month or so, I think.

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Re: Playing other games

Post by Stars_InTheirEyes » Fri, 1. Feb 19, 02:15

Trying to get into Middle-earth: Shadow of War...
Its got some good mechanics but the general gameplay really irritates me. I don't find it fun at all when in any combat I'm permanently surrounded by loads of grunts who spawn out of nowhere and all I can do is spam parry or just die in two hits. I try to play how the game wants me to, by dominating grunts before engaging, but without any way to co-ordinate outside of stealth commands they're utterly useless. Then there are random archers and spear throwers and captains who come out of the woodwork with unblockable attacks and I just die, and whoever kills me then becomes a strong captain. It's a neat mechanic but so infuriating that I've taken to ALT-F4ing before the death scene plays out so the grunt doesn't get stronger. Just not fun.
Also, the camera is far too low even on max fov.
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Re: Playing other games

Post by pjknibbs » Fri, 1. Feb 19, 08:24

Did you ever play Middle-Earth: Shadows of Mordor, Stars_InTheirEyes? If not, get that one and play it instead--it's just a better game than Shadow of War, IMHO.

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Re: Playing other games

Post by Stars_InTheirEyes » Sat, 2. Feb 19, 20:09

pjknibbs wrote:
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Did you ever play Middle-Earth: Shadows of Mordor, Stars_InTheirEyes? If not, get that one and play it instead--it's just a better game than Shadow of War, IMHO.
I did play that, and its much worse than War in my opinion. Mordor had the same combat 'spam parry or die' but without the interesting domination mechanics. I've only just started Act II so hoping it picks up a bit. I am playing on Brutal difficulty so that's probably one reason I'm getting killed so much.
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Re: Playing other games

Post by pjknibbs » Sat, 2. Feb 19, 21:12

Stars_InTheirEyes wrote:
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I did play that, and its much worse than War in my opinion. Mordor had the same combat 'spam parry or die' but without the interesting domination mechanics. I've only just started Act II so hoping it picks up a bit. I am playing on Brutal difficulty so that's probably one reason I'm getting killed so much.
It did have the same domination mechanics? You just didn't get them until halfway through the game. And sneaking was always an option in the first game, whereas it often isn't in the second one.

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Re: Playing other games

Post by burger1 » Sun, 3. Feb 19, 07:27

I am not playing this game that's on steam but it seems like an interesting concept.

Dead by Daylight is a multiplayer (4vs1) horror game where one player takes on the role of the savage Killer, and the other four players play as Survivors, trying to escape the Killer and avoid being caught and killed.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3812 ... _Daylight/

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Re: Playing other games

Post by RegisterMe » Sun, 3. Feb 19, 11:20

I picked up Mass Effect Andromeda the other day for £7. A slow start and a shonky interface haven't helped, but I am now enjoying it.
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Re: Playing other games

Post by pjknibbs » Sun, 3. Feb 19, 13:33

RegisterMe wrote:
Sun, 3. Feb 19, 11:20
I picked up Mass Effect Andromeda the other day for £7. A slow start and a shonky interface haven't helped, but I am now enjoying it.
I'm tempted to get that, but knowing that they'll probably never end the story puts me off. Mind you, considering how they ended the original Mass Effect story I suppose that might actually be a good thing!

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Re: Playing other games

Post by RegisterMe » Sun, 3. Feb 19, 14:25

One of the things I am surprised about is quite how good the gunplay feels.
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Re: Playing other games

Post by Antilogic » Sun, 3. Feb 19, 16:47

pjknibbs wrote:
Sun, 3. Feb 19, 13:33
RegisterMe wrote:
Sun, 3. Feb 19, 11:20
I picked up Mass Effect Andromeda the other day for £7. A slow start and a shonky interface haven't helped, but I am now enjoying it.
I'm tempted to get that, but knowing that they'll probably never end the story puts me off. Mind you, considering how they ended the original Mass Effect story I suppose that might actually be a good thing!
I'm starting to wonder if I am the only person that liked the ending.

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Re: Playing other games

Post by pjknibbs » Sun, 3. Feb 19, 18:50

Antilogic wrote:
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I'm starting to wonder if I am the only person that liked the ending.
So you were perfectly happy with all the choices you'd made in all three games meaning three fifths of naff all as far as the ending is concerned? You're also happy that the stated reason for *any* of the endings is that AIs and organic life simply can't live together (so the Reaper AIs are destroying all organic life...because otherwise their own created AIs would destroy them?), a statement you yourself proved false by getting the Geth and the Quarians reconciled?

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Re: Playing other games

Post by Antilogic » Sun, 3. Feb 19, 19:29

pjknibbs wrote:
Sun, 3. Feb 19, 18:50
Antilogic wrote:
Sun, 3. Feb 19, 16:47
I'm starting to wonder if I am the only person that liked the ending.
So you were perfectly happy with all the choices you'd made in all three games meaning three fifths of naff all as far as the ending is concerned? You're also happy that the stated reason for *any* of the endings is that AIs and organic life simply can't live together (so the Reaper AIs are destroying all organic life...because otherwise their own created AIs would destroy them?), a statement you yourself proved false by getting the Geth and the Quarians reconciled?
The synth ending was pretty much perfect for what I wanted out of it. Tali killed herself. Whoops. So yes?

Two things: I've only played it with the free DLC they put out for it and I am not stressed by the first query. I loved the games and I expect the ending could be better but I don't really take it on it's own either. As a part of the entire experience it really doesn't even blip on the rader, I have far, far bigger problems with the ME series. Like how the gunplay in ME1 made me want to vomit.

Also, chill lol, I said I liked it not that it was a perfect experience delivered by god directly to my genitals.

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Re: Playing other games

Post by Morkonan » Mon, 4. Feb 19, 21:40

I don't remember what thread it was in, but someone once recommended or was enthusiastically supportive of "Kenshi" as a game I should play.

So, whoever it was, you were right. :)

I've been playing Kenshi quite a bit the past week or so and have been enjoying it. There are tons of fiddly bits. I will, however, say that it's a game that could use a bit of polish, despite its 12 year development time. But, even so, it's a pretty darn good game, being a sort of squad-based real-time RPG/Survival/Base-Building/Crafting/Explore kind of game. And, despite attempting to tackle the daunting task of melding so many genres, it does a great job of it. It could have easily sucked at one or three of the genres it combines while excelling at only one, or not. But, it doesn't - It's very good at all of those things. Surprising!

To sum it up, it's a combination of Rimword and Mount and Blade, without the ARPG qualities of M&B (your units go through their own combat animations, so there's no manual control of their combat animations), but with a really nice smaller-scale tactical combat edge. I'm really impressed with the different combat animations for the units. All those different animations are "meaningful," too. The "Survival" aspect is much like Rimworld, but without "morale" issues and it's very difficult to actually have characters die during play unless one does something particularly stupid. :) (Unconsciousness is more the main mechanic, but characters can die, lose body parts, etc, in bad situations or where they've just been insta-gibbed by something really nasty.)

I do wish there was a bit better graphics, though. It's not that they're bad, it's that everything is some shade of "brown." :) Even "green" is "some shade of brown." (So far for me, at least.) One of things that people living "in real life" drab environments tend to do is to make things colorful when they can. Appropriate attire when necessary, of course, and nobody would paint their mighty fortifications "pinkish orange" but still... Anyway, if I really get into the game, I'll see if I can mod in some appropriate "color" here and there. A few bits of possible color for clothing, here and there, where appropriate, maybe some colorful plumage on some animals, etc... It can be very difficult, for instance, to actually see some units/people/animals in the game, where one should be able to spot them more easily. (That could be "as intended" but that's taken a tiny bit too far for some, IMO.) The engine, OGRE, does an admirable job while being fairly lightweight and flexible, which is likely the intent, but that does cut down on quality a little bit. It's not terrible, though, and it's still a good looking game that runs pretty smoothly out of the box. (The game does always crash on exit, for me, which happens with some Steam games for a lot of people. I just haven't bothered tracking down the issue, since It doesn't cause any other problems.)

All in all, a good recommendation. I have, of course, known about the game for a very long time, but the only "Let's Plays" and tutorials I saw were likely from a long time ago and they didn't really focus much on "gameplay," just "watch my character get his butt handed to him, so coool lolz" type stuff. It was not until I saw Aavak's playthrough that I realized it would be a game I'd probably enjoy. (Aavak always does a great job of diving into a game and exploring its full feature-set.)

YT:Aavak's current playthrough(Very good!)

Been wanting to post this for awhile, but wasn't sure what thread it had first been mentioned. Decided here was as good a place as any. :)

PS - To give one an idea of my early game experience - While trying to mine ore to sell so I could afford to buy some food, I spotted a small herd of goats. In Kenshi, there is no "ground spawn." In other words, you won't go wondering around and find any berries to eat just laying on the ground nor will you be able to manually "harvest" anything to eat. If you can't buy food or don't already have a base that you can build a farm in, you either have to buy food or you have to hunt some animal so you can eat it... (Or, get lucky enough to come across a corpse of an animal that some NPC has just killed. Tough, since game "chunks" delete "dropped" game elements like that when they're unloaded.) So, yeah, here's a small herd of goats that my very hungry character saw as life-sustaining food.

As the player, I practically salivated thinking about how much "dried meat" and other resources those goats represented for my character. That is a HUGE "Big Deal" in gaming - If you can elicit the intended reaction in the player that they would experience as the character in the game they're playing, then you have achieved the most important goal in game design.

So, yeah, I charged after the goats with my old rusty katana. And, the goats beat the crap out of me... I survived, but so did all the goats. I crawled back to town and bandaged myself up, but the goats just blithely walked away with barely a scratch. So, for the new player, don't underestimate the martial prowess of goats... ;)

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Re: Playing other games

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Re: Playing other games

Post by Alan Phipps » Mon, 4. Feb 19, 22:27

Nah, Mork's sure they were goats. :D
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Re: Playing other games

Post by Antilogic » Mon, 4. Feb 19, 23:37

Alan Phipps wrote:
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Nah, Mork's sure they were goats. :D
Same difference.

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Re: Playing other games

Post by Morkonan » Tue, 5. Feb 19, 01:25

Antilogic wrote:
Mon, 4. Feb 19, 23:37
Alan Phipps wrote:
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Nah, Mork's sure they were goats. :D
Same difference.
Yes, this entire exchange was hilarious. :)

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Re: Playing other games

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RegisterMe wrote:
Sun, 3. Feb 19, 11:20
I picked up Mass Effect Andromeda the other day for £7. A slow start and a shonky interface haven't helped, but I am now enjoying it.
Man, that game was frustrating. I really enjoyed significant chunks of it, it was just all so inconsistent.
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Re: Playing other games

Post by RegisterMe » Tue, 5. Feb 19, 16:20

Oh yeah, it's all over the place. And christ, the number of scene transitions / loading screens you have to put up with is mind numbing, but in spite of that I am soldiering on, and for £7 it's not bad value.
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Re: Playing other games

Post by Ronald Sandoval » Wed, 6. Feb 19, 16:19

FYI argos are selling Mass Effect Andromeda on ebay for £5.99 with free post
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