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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by RegisterMe » Thu, 6. Feb 20, 00:00

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Yet another example of why we need LESS not more software developers, LESS not more technology.
I disagree. We need technology that works. That is secure, and that cannot be undermined.

And whilst we're on the subject of elections how about less (ie no) gerrymandering, which has nothing to do with technology, and less (ie no) prevention / inhibition of voting (ie none of the above).

My fear is that, a few years down the line, the US will face an upswelling of resentment at the lack of representation.

And you'll have another tea party.

Only with assault rifles.

And race.

And religion.

And it will be... fugly. Even without any external help.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Vertigo 7 » Thu, 6. Feb 20, 00:12

Oh it's coming. The day white people are no longer the majority of the population, I can damn well guarantee you they'll revolt, or a portion at any rate.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by RegisterMe » Thu, 6. Feb 20, 01:19

Well, as most of you know, I'm not big on religion. But it has coined a pithy phrase or two.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Mightysword » Thu, 6. Feb 20, 02:10

Even without the conspiracies stuff I don't know if the Democrat in the last few days realize that they're not exactly being helpful to themselves. I meant the way everyone pile in on it.

I admit being an independent I don't know much about either party Caucuses, its composition or process. What I do know though, is they often are events of great fanfare and import and it's a piece of the cake every campaign vile for (well except a certain wealthy former governor). Hell, before Monday you'll see how everyone talking about this will be historic, how it gonna propel the winner to the path, how it gonna shape the person to take on Trump ...etc... even as bystander one would feel a bit excited due to the festive vibe and atmosphere.

Now, due to ... technical reason it turned out to be a dud. I'm not saying it's ok or it doesn't make Democrat lose face. But in the end, it's just bad luck + incompetent, and most important of all it's just really one state. Criticize it, but focus and move on. The last two days though I see people piled on it on a bunch of different things:

- The caucuses things is old relic anyway, it sucks and always has been.
- It's undemocratic.
- It's not representative, inclusive in term of availability, lilke the time and commitment required to attend these events.
- It's 90% white people any way, and the candidate pick by caucuses is often not reflected what the (Democrat) electorate would want in general.
- The format means people might be pressured into changing their opinion.

And all of that came from the mouth of various Democrat (not Republican), CNN was flooded with such article yesterday. So what does it look like under a neutral POV? My thought process went like this:

- That was ... informative, I didn't know half of that about the process. ---> But I recognize most of those things. Half of them are what I hear Democrat bashing Republican "weekly"!! --> So Democrat themselves telling me that they're guilty of the same they accuses Republican for, and couldn't fix it in their own primary process. :gruebel:

Because, if these are the inherent issues with the process, then it wouldn't matter right? For example if Monday's night went without a hitch, that wouldn't make any of these issue disappear right, like it's not gonna make it's more inclusive and such. But apparently now they are only issues because it was a mess? :?

Now I'm not actually saying I believe these stuffs, even if it's Democrat talking about Democrat. I think there is a wisdom of keeping your mouth shut when emotion run high. But as an independent I feel Democrat just put themselves in a lose-lose situation here. Like ... should I believe them or not, because either way they lose.

- If I believe them: then it's mean they're hypocrite. It means everyone of their candidates (save one) and pretty much everyone else have been glamouring for that little piece of glory here, despite it has ... all of these deficiencies?
- If I don't believe them: the it'll just make them sore losers. Like when you see a bunch of guys chasing and worshiping the school's idol while can't keeping their mouth shut about how wonderful she is just to get on her bed. But when none of them could get it, they turn around and say "who care, she's such an ugly ***** anyway". Yeah, WHO gonna take those guys seriously? I don't.

Like I said, I wished they stayed focus on the reason of the melt down itself instead of extrapolate it into a bunch of different things. If the issues are being raised here, they should have raised it much earlier, or at least not around a time that they can be viewed of excuses of sore loser. But then, staying focus seem to be a chronic issue for Democrat's politic. The Republican's politic may be uglier, but you gotta admit, they know how to focus fire a hell lot better. :shock:


This is not meant to be taken as a conspiracy but treat as a funny meme that I think appropriate to describe Iowa right now:
- Russian hacker - the day before: we'll try to keep expectation low...
- Russian hacker - the day after: eh look like they hacked themselves.

And I ... actually don't find it funny. :sceptic:
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by fiksal » Fri, 7. Feb 20, 14:14

Would anyone be surprised that this wasn't without Trump's clan help?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... ays-report
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Vertigo 7 » Fri, 7. Feb 20, 15:21

fiksal wrote:
Fri, 7. Feb 20, 14:14
Would anyone be surprised that this wasn't without Trump's clan help?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... ays-report
Nope.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Vertigo 7 » Fri, 7. Feb 20, 16:52

I'll be honest with you, with Trump and his echo box at Fox News calling for people to "pay" for his impeachment and testimony against him, I'm more shocked that his cultists didn't grab their assault rifles and shoot up the caucus events.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by fiksal » Fri, 7. Feb 20, 17:17

Vertigo 7 wrote:
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I'll be honest with you, with Trump and his echo box at Fox News calling for people to "pay" for his impeachment and testimony against him, I'm more shocked that his cultists didn't grab their assault rifles and shoot up the caucus events.
They might one day, and that's when the things will start spiraling.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Masterbagger » Sat, 8. Feb 20, 02:33

fiksal wrote:
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They might one day, and that's when the things will start spiraling.
That's a nasty form of projection. It isn't normal for anyone to be willing to murder others over their political views on either side and I don't see that ever becoming normal. That is a rejection of the fact that your opponents are also human and have their own moral code. There is no conservative or liberal belief that tolerates the deliberate mass murder of unarmed civilians. That territory is for psychopaths. Acceptance of projecting that rot on anyone is poisonous.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Vertigo 7 » Sat, 8. Feb 20, 05:01

Lol... “human”, “moral code”. I’ll believe it when I see it
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by red assassin » Sat, 8. Feb 20, 11:51

Masterbagger wrote:
Sat, 8. Feb 20, 02:33
That's a nasty form of projection. It isn't normal for anyone to be willing to murder others over their political views on either side and I don't see that ever becoming normal. That is a rejection of the fact that your opponents are also human and have their own moral code. There is no conservative or liberal belief that tolerates the deliberate mass murder of unarmed civilians. That territory is for psychopaths. Acceptance of projecting that rot on anyone is poisonous.
Both the US and UK are reporting that extreme right wing terrorism is a top priority now:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/racial ... pher-wray/
https://www.salon.com/2019/07/24/fbi-di ... -violence/
https://time.com/5681199/uk-far-right-t ... /?amp=true

Given the dehumanising rhetoric aimed at everyone from immigrants to liberals by right wing politicians and media personalities, it seems like this is becoming pretty normalised to me. Indeed, Trump and friends have actively diverted resources away from dealing with it despite the FBI's concerns:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latime ... f_amp=true

Also with noting that Trump, of course, wanted to ban Muslims from entering the country due to Islamist extremist terrorism, and when that wasn't allowed banned a number of Muslim majority nations instead. If that's a proportional response, we should of course also see anyone with right wing views banned from the country.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by RegisterMe » Sat, 8. Feb 20, 23:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjSyYRyokPo

Hard to describe this - it's a... 1.15hr podcast by liberal leaning math / tech / gaming nerds on the complete clusterbleep that was Iowa. Complete with some electoral official from Iowa. It's very funny, quite enlightening, and pretty damning of everything that is Iowa / Dem.

EDIT: An f-bomb or two if that concerns you.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by fiksal » Sun, 9. Feb 20, 07:01

Masterbagger wrote:
Sat, 8. Feb 20, 02:33
fiksal wrote:
Fri, 7. Feb 20, 17:17

They might one day, and that's when the things will start spiraling.
That's a nasty form of projection. It isn't normal for anyone to be willing to murder others over their political views on either side and I don't see that ever becoming normal. That is a rejection of the fact that your opponents are also human and have their own moral code. There is no conservative or liberal belief that tolerates the deliberate mass murder of unarmed civilians. That territory is for psychopaths. Acceptance of projecting that rot on anyone is poisonous.
And yet it's nothing unheard of. US history is filled with violence against the people who didnt hold power. A majority of it even. Same goes for the world in general, of course.

This isnt projecting anything, that's what humans are.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by OneOfMany » Sun, 9. Feb 20, 13:30

For my cousins over the pond.

What would you rather have.

Someone you hate ruining your country or someone you love doing it?

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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by fiksal » Sun, 9. Feb 20, 13:58

What do you mean?
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by OneOfMany » Sun, 9. Feb 20, 18:46

According to the current incumbent in his state of the union address, the last government did really badly and his government has done better by fixing what was going wrong.

So if you hate Trump but he's doing great for the country do you cheer him on, ie country before self. Or do you bring in another goverment you love, but you worry can't get the job done?

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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Grim Lock » Sun, 9. Feb 20, 21:17

Lol that's only if you take every word of Trump as beeing the cold hard truth, thus blindly trusting a politician. The sign of a fool in my book.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by fiksal » Mon, 10. Feb 20, 04:34

OneOfMany wrote:
Sun, 9. Feb 20, 18:46
According to the current incumbent in his state of the union address, the last government did really badly and his government has done better by fixing what was going wrong.

So if you hate Trump but he's doing great for the country do you cheer him on, ie country before self. Or do you bring in another goverment you love, but you worry can't get the job done?
If he'd be doing great, I'd cheer him, but he is not. That's the simple answer.

The complex answer, that presidents do not deserve praise any more than postal workers. Who are doing very important work.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Vertigo 7 » Mon, 10. Feb 20, 21:02

OneOfMany wrote:
Sun, 9. Feb 20, 18:46
According to the current incumbent in his state of the union address, the last government did really badly and his government has done better by fixing what was going wrong.

So if you hate Trump but he's doing great for the country do you cheer him on, ie country before self. Or do you bring in another goverment you love, but you worry can't get the job done?
Here's the thing. Trump is only doing great for the straight, white, "christian", male part of the country, esp the wealthy ones. The rest are little more than a fleeting thought to him. So, of course, the pro-white degenerates are gonna sing his praises.

As far as the last administration is concerned, whooo man. Dude inherited a ****** disaster from Bush #2. The housing market collapse, on going active fighting in the middle east, on and on. He did a lot of work to right the ship and along comes the Oompa Loompa to clog up the engine with hamburders and porn stars.
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Re: 2020 US presidential election

Post by Observe » Sat, 15. Aug 20, 02:21

As we are nearing the election, I though it might be worthwhile reviving this thread. After all, it's not all about Trump.

Here is a refresher on the U.S. Presidential election. Naturally by the BBC.

Regarding the Democrat Vice President selection, to those on the far left and the far right, who would demonize Kamala Harris, you should thank your lucky stars, that she is Biden's VP choice.

If you are on the far left, you must know that the best chance of beating Trump, is via the middle-path of moderation. Biden's ticket represents that. If you are on the far right, you must know that Biden could have picked a more liberal running mate, who would potentially be much more dangerous from your point of view.

Looking at a bell curve of normal distribution, we can see that by definition, most people are moderates, who don't particularly agree with their more extreme brethren on either side of the spectrum. The razor sharp edge of the political pendulum, has left deep cuts in the fabric of our national and global society, as it has relentlessly and viciously swung to the left and to the right. We need a damping of the political carnage. Moderation may provide our society a much needed break from the constant strife that has brought most everyone to the point of exhaustion.

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