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Obviously you don't remember the 70's that well. That's what used to happen - some people used to do this (probably the same sort of people who buy 100 lootboxes) - it was not as easy to buy 100 packets of cornflakes as to buy 100 virtual lookboxes. All I'm saying it's not a new technique - just a new way of doing it.CBJ wrote: You don't generally go and buy an few extra packets of cornflakes just to see if you can get the right item!
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Gambling is too easy to access nowadays - once you had to venture into a strange smoke filled shop with balcked out windows full of strange people and now you can do it on your phone from the comfort of home.
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"But you don't even LIKE shreddies!"CBJ wrote: You don't generally go and buy an few extra packets of cornflakes just to see if you can get the right item!
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"But mummy, I will eat them this time! I PROMISE!!!"
Never eaten Shreddies in my life...
"I've got a bad feeling about this!" Harrison Ford, 5 times a year, trying to land his plane.
I remember them all too well, thanks! My point is that there's a big difference between buying a packet (or even 3 packets) of cornflakes, in which case you get cornflakes for your money regardless of whether you get the toy you want, and buying an otherwise-worthless chance of some item. The former is self-limiting, in that even the most persistent child is going to struggle to persuade their parent to buy 10 or 100 boxes, whereas the latter has a smooth path from buying 1 or 2, through 5 or 10, to a serious habit.Redvers Ganderpoke wrote:Obviously you don't remember the 70's that well. That's what used to happen - some people used to do this (probably the same sort of people who buy 100 lootboxes) - it was not as easy to buy 100 packets of cornflakes as to buy 100 virtual lookboxes. All I'm saying it's not a new technique - just a new way of doing it.
On this we can agree.Redvers Ganderpoke wrote:Gambling is too easy to access nowadays - once you had to venture into a strange smoke filled shop with balcked out windows full of strange people and now you can do it on your phone from the comfort of home.
Yes, as long as it purely cosmetic items with no gameplay impact in a Free-to-Play Game would be my Vote. "lootboxes which changes the gameplay inside a f2p are a no go for me. ... seems my personal opinion can't be covered in this votum-
Personally i still would just buy the skin instead. for the "yearly payment" for that game which i plays on and off over weeks per year.
Personally i still would just buy the skin instead. for the "yearly payment" for that game which i plays on and off over weeks per year.
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Eine der hoffnungsreichsten Lebenslagen ist die, wenn es uns so schlecht geht, dass es uns nicht mehr schlechter gehen kann. [Felix Krull]
Eine der hoffnungsreichsten Lebenslagen ist die, wenn es uns so schlecht geht, dass es uns nicht mehr schlechter gehen kann. [Felix Krull]
we got tokens and had to send off for the oil rig, it wasn't in the box. the tokens were on every box, there was no gambling.
And I had to wait until we ate each box before I got my next token. I think my Nan bought some boxes too to speed it up.
It made getting my oil rig even more enjoyable, which would be why I still recall it nearly 40 years later.
It was my favorite model for many years.
The thing of having random toys inside the box came after that, probably when they realised what as great selling point it was I think.
We didn't have the money to do that, but by then I'd moved on to Blue Peter make your own toy stuff. The free toys in the cereal boxes were all rubbish anyway.
And I had to wait until we ate each box before I got my next token. I think my Nan bought some boxes too to speed it up.
It made getting my oil rig even more enjoyable, which would be why I still recall it nearly 40 years later.
It was my favorite model for many years.
The thing of having random toys inside the box came after that, probably when they realised what as great selling point it was I think.
We didn't have the money to do that, but by then I'd moved on to Blue Peter make your own toy stuff. The free toys in the cereal boxes were all rubbish anyway.
If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. ... Niccolò Machiavelli
I think so, because they wouldn't put decent sized toys in there. At least the ones you sent off for were a decent size.
But more viable too, since not everyone would have, and you didn't need one per box.
I've never played a game with Loot boxes, because I never would, so I don't actually know much about how often you get good stuff from one, other than apparently not often unless you pay.
I still haven't played Diablo 3 because they put that 'pay to win' store in it so I decided against buying it when it came out as a result, and even though the store's gone now, still haven't got it.
We're at the point where I probably won't until it's dirt cheap now, if I ever bother, I may just never play it. That's what the loot box mindset of developers does to me.
But more viable too, since not everyone would have, and you didn't need one per box.
I've never played a game with Loot boxes, because I never would, so I don't actually know much about how often you get good stuff from one, other than apparently not often unless you pay.
I still haven't played Diablo 3 because they put that 'pay to win' store in it so I decided against buying it when it came out as a result, and even though the store's gone now, still haven't got it.
We're at the point where I probably won't until it's dirt cheap now, if I ever bother, I may just never play it. That's what the loot box mindset of developers does to me.
If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. ... Niccolò Machiavelli
I have memories of shoving my hand down to the bottom of the box, flakes spilling out all over the place, fishing around for that little plastic packet that would yield cereal-box gold...Redvers Ganderpoke wrote:Obviously you don't remember the 70's that well. That's what used to happen - some people used to do this (probably the same sort of people who buy 100 lootboxes) - it was not as easy to buy 100 packets of cornflakes as to buy 100 virtual lookboxes. All I'm saying it's not a new technique - just a new way of doing it.CBJ wrote: You don't generally go and buy an few extra packets of cornflakes just to see if you can get the right item!
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Then, I figured out I could just dump it all in a big bowl. But, getting it all back in the box...
Every darn cereal box that had a prize in it ended up looking like a three-dollar hooker on a late Saturday night.
I got the Special Limited Uber Collector's Edition on release day... The "Store" was a game-killer, to be sure. It didn't matter what dropped for you, the only thing you were playing for was so you could buy what you wanted, with in-game currency, from the "store." Later, they introduced the "real money" store and that was just friggin ridiculous...mrbadger wrote:....I still haven't played Diablo 3 because they put that 'pay to win' store in it so I decided against buying it when it came out as a result, and even though the store's gone now, still haven't got it....
But, now, with all that gone? It's a darn good game. I play it regularly with a friend of mine. (Had to buy an XBox and copy of it, but at least we have a lot of fun several times a week, so it's worth it. Don't even play the PC version anymore.)
It's worth playing and it's a good game. We've been having a blast with the latest "Season", which will end Oct 20. "Seasonal" play, a period of 90 days or so, let's you create a brand new character from scratch, if you want, with no frills and then see how far you can get, with special rewards, gear, and a lot of vanity items up for grabs. Anyway, if you like Diablo and/or like "action RPG" it's a great game, much, much better than it was on release.
When they realized their error, they truly did "fix" it and, considering the content polishing and community involvement they've done, they've "apologized" for it.
I don't think paying for the lootbox changes the chances of getting anything good from it--that would be the scummiest of scummy moves, so it'll probably be a few months before even EA decides to give it a go. Buying more lootboxes increases your chances of getting something good simply because you're getting more boxes, though.mrbadger wrote: I've never played a game with Loot boxes, because I never would, so I don't actually know much about how often you get good stuff from one, other than apparently not often unless you pay.