Well ok then how about this
https://imgur.com/a/GhaXw16
I dont think it counts tho.
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Well ok then how about this
Watch out! You risk a heart attack by the devs.
Exactly. He probably swapped release date with Battlefield 5 (20 Nov.)LittleBird wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 13:58Watch out! You risk a heart attack by the devs.
22 Days are left. Release is Nov. 30.
Eww, there are used tissues crumpled on your desk (please God stop me from thinking about how they were used!). For crying out loud, there was an empty roll of toilet paper. Muncha, you should probably police that up before you let us view the inner sanctum of your little bachelor padDaMuncha wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 13:57Well ok then how about this
https://imgur.com/a/GhaXw16
I dont think it counts tho.
I shortened it to highlight this pointcsaba wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 18:25To clarify a few things about XR release:
- Most refunds were claimed because of the performance issues
- The game got 20+ patches in the first 2 months
How this translates to this whole topic:
- If the devs release a gameplay video (as they did in the past year 3 times) you cannot check for performance issues since it will be on the PC they use and know
- No they couldn't cause by design you need to play more than 2 hours to face most of those bugs/bad game mechanics at which point your steam refund will likely be voided.LittleBird wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 19:52I shortened it to highlight this pointcsaba wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 18:25To clarify a few things about XR release:
- Most refunds were claimed because of the performance issues
- The game got 20+ patches in the first 2 months
How this translates to this whole topic:
- If the devs release a gameplay video (as they did in the past year 3 times) you cannot check for performance issues since it will be on the PC they use and know
And there you make a logical mistake.
Most refunds are based on the performance issues and bugs because they are the first problems you notice in a game. If it is technically unplayable you will never see other issues.
So you have to ask: Assumed X:Rebirth had zero performance issues and was bug free, would people have refunded it because of other things?
And there is a lot. Just remember what Egosoft patched gameplay wise and you have your answer.
Understand this post as an explanation not a demand on Egosoft
You face the awfull minigames in your first hour for sure. You face the tedious i-hunting on stations, your stupid personal inventory in stations and you face all... two useless airvents.
Nobody is asking for a presentation of everything.
Showing the mechanics is also gameplay.csaba wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 20:27- Gameplay in a game like X4 is an evolving thing based on FEEDBACK. You can't give proper feedback unless you play the game. You can only make ASSUMPTIONS on a video. There were plenty of SUGGESTIONS (from experience with previous games )on this forum which the Developers probably read even if only the title
No you don't refund in that case in an Hour. I hated the sliders but I just avoided them until I realized they are necessary for getting upgrades for your NPCs which came way later. I probably didn't open my inventory for hours since there was no need for it. Vents I only did like once or twice and left the station. Other complaints were about the single ship being the Skunk but that was communicated a lot. The lazy capital ship "bridge" designs weren't apparent until you got your second Cap ship and realized it's the same damn docking area.LittleBird wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 22:17You face the awfull minigames in your first hour for sure. You face the tedious i-hunting on stations, your stupid personal inventory in stations and you face all... two useless airvents.
plus travel mode, the majority of ship classes, a bunch of walking around on docks, we saw the trading, there is screenshot here on the forums on the ship buying screen, boosting, FA off (or decoupled for SC players), adapting flight controls, SETA, a carrier launching fighters, a bunch of AI built stations, we know there are 3 main races, we know about 2 starting scenarios, we know about 2 paranid factions fighting to the death, Accelerators-Highways, we know how travel will be between sectors.LittleBird wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 22:17Showing the mechanics is also gameplay.csaba wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 20:27- Gameplay in a game like X4 is an evolving thing based on FEEDBACK. You can't give proper feedback unless you play the game. You can only make ASSUMPTIONS on a video. There were plenty of SUGGESTIONS (from experience with previous games )on this forum which the Developers probably read even if only the title
We saw the new map, a tiny bit of station building and ship equipment... that's it!
I Call BS. There was 1 25 minute video and a few 2-5 minutes ones for XR, X4 had so far 3 60+ minutes ones, 2 trailers +one extra gameplay video.LittleBird wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 22:17Now check X-Rebirth. Videos that explained the mechanics 2 months before release.
Honestly I can't believe it. Actually we had more shown of the game from X-Rebirth than X4!
I listed 2 rows of mechanics that were shown man.... I need to go to sleep but I can timetable and link each one tomorrow night if you like.LittleBird wrote:@csaba
I did the highlighting not just for fun.
The most time we saw graphics but not the actual game. Not gameplay. Not the mechanics.
That is what the X-Rebirth videos provided.
I think that's an illusion.LittleBird wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 22:17We saw the new map, a tiny bit of station building and ship equipment... that's it!
Now check X-Rebirth. Videos that explained the mechanics 2 months before release.
And I think you are partly right.Alci wrote: ↑Fri, 9. Nov 18, 02:25I think that's an illusion.LittleBird wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 22:17We saw the new map, a tiny bit of station building and ship equipment... that's it!
Now check X-Rebirth. Videos that explained the mechanics 2 months before release.
First I've seen more new features from X4 then you're mentioning. But the thing is those are only new features. When Rebirth was about to be released they've shown many things and ALL of them were new. That's what creates illusion they've shown more.
trading was shown, from buy to sell, with Rebirth knowledge about ware types and cap-sized trading what part(s) you are missing?LittleBird wrote: ↑Fri, 9. Nov 18, 10:59I wanna see how trading works, I wanna see how fabrics work.
I wanna see how the AI manages evading complex structures.
I wanna see how the reputation system works.
I have realy bad allergies this time of year.jasonbarron wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 18:41Eww, there are used tissues crumpled on your desk (please God stop me from thinking about how they were used!). For crying out loud, there was an empty roll of toilet paper. Muncha, you should probably police that up before you let us view the inner sanctum of your little bachelor padDaMuncha wrote: ↑Thu, 8. Nov 18, 13:57Well ok then how about this
https://imgur.com/a/GhaXw16
I dont think it counts tho.
Yea we just talked about pathing a day or two before in a different thread. This iteration in the video actually broke and was replaced with a much simpler version for a time after release where ships just flown through the station geometry. It eventually got fixed. What I'm trying to get to is that regardless if they show something it could be still broken after release as this example.ZombiePotatoSalad wrote: ↑Sun, 11. Nov 18, 05:03
I remember watching this back when it came out, looking forward to X Rebirth. You know, all these posts we're making about wanting to see more? This is all we want to see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt4B4e3i5_0
"it flies very deep into the geometry of the station"
Let me fix that for you Egosoft "It flies into the geometry of the station" Nice work. Not.