PSG do freeze 1.3

SieurNewT · Post by **SieurNewT** » Thu, 22. Dec 05, 19:57

Hello

Currently each time a falcon vanguard start using the ppc cannon (or the one with area effet) game totaly freeze and start again after 30 seconds and freeze... seems the effects are way too heavy

I have a good system, and no problem before patch

i am using cockpit mode

Also i have tried all the video settings at max, il will try later at lower level. This freeze only appear with this specific weapon, played about 1 hours without any other freeze

PIV 1gb ram, amd64 3200, gforce ultra

Post by **CBJ** » Thu, 22. Dec 05, 20:02

The freezing is as likely to be caused by sound issues or even file access problems as anything else. Since others aren't having problems with the effect, it is unlikely to be that. Check that your sound drivers are up to date, and try switching off anti-virus software temporarily to see whether that is holding up disk access.

Incidentally, it would help if you gave a more meaningful description of your graphics card. There have been many "Ultra" cards in the GeForce range over the years, and they vary greatly in performance.

SieurNewT · Post by **SieurNewT** » Thu, 22. Dec 05, 20:34

ok i will try all that thanks

i also noticed freeze with other weapons now

but i tried with and without the cockpit mod, was not that

It's a gforce 6800 ultra 256 MB point of view
drivers are 81.85
Anti virus is off

will try to update & also cut the sound

bulletstop · Post by **bulletstop** » Thu, 22. Dec 05, 20:36

I am having a similiar issue, In Ceo's doubt fighting 12+ pirates my game will drop to 1 fps according to fraps. It is impossible to fight as I am getting a slide show. It happens when they fire they pac's and the shockwave generator.
My system p4 3.2 6800 thd vid card 1gig ram dual channel, all drivers up to date as of 11-05-05.
I hope this helps.
Bullet

Post by **CBJ** » Thu, 22. Dec 05, 20:38

Once again, the problem is more likely to be a problem with poor sound drivers than anything to do with the graphics.

SieurNewT · Post by **SieurNewT** » Thu, 22. Dec 05, 20:42

Sadly i have an audigy 2 ZS with already the latest drivers from creative, but i will re install them later just in case

Diesel309 · Post by **Diesel309** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 01:00

Just had the same when a falcon fired a PSG at me ( had just been fighting loads of Xenon, slight lag but ok ) then killed some pirates. Last falcon I went for had a PSG, as soon as it started firing game froze for a second or two then CTD.

Might be a one off I will test

Machine spec's

Athlon 2800 XP
ATI radeon 9600 256mb
1 Gb PC 3200 ram
Philips Aurilium External sound (don't laugh) it's better than onboard, just.
Aopen AK79G (onboard sound and video disabled)

Checked Codecs with exellent new checker thing, all ok (I think).

Don't run AV or firewall when playing Spec is not high enough

Sandalpocalypse · Post by **Sandalpocalypse** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 01:04

1.3 changed the PSG effect to make it look better..

Try turning a bunch of your graphics settings down.

DO NOT use the cockpit mod with 1.3

Diesel309 · Post by **Diesel309** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 01:41

Right just been testing, it was still really bad until I changed the Shaders to Low this has made it playable

Does not freeze or CTD but slows it down somewhat during PSG fire.

What really scared me was the Khaak Fleet that jumped in during my test

bulletstop · Post by **bulletstop** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 02:06

Cbj,
You are saying this is a sound issue? I have a creative audigy 2. The drivers are up to date according to creatives website. If many people are having this issue then maybe a driver issue with in the game.
Brings up another point if in fact codecs are causing issue then should the maker of the game fix them?
My pc beats the recommended and it is getting 1 fps in intense fights so I really do not care what the issues is I just want it fixed.
I have been a long time fan and have bought every game but this is getting old. BTw where is the save file so I can go back to 1.21. It ran well but this is insane,lol.
Bullet

DragonWolf · Post by **DragonWolf** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 04:08

yeah happend to me too, i got attacked by 6 pirates and i charged head on, when i whent to fly pass them the game just froze the FPS just when from smoth to 3 per 30 sec, after i manage to pass them the game speed up again, but still veary laggy, i would say that this is a bug not a driver problem

-XTM- · Post by **-XTM-** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 04:31

The topic title is wrong, it's PSG not PPC, this can mislead people so plz can a moderator fix it?

About the problem:
If it's a sound issue then plz explain why it wasn't a (sound) issue until patch 1.3 came along.
Still, it does have a close resemblance to the BPAC troubles before 1.3 (which are now gone) so it could be sound-ish, I don't know and frankly I don't care...it's just a total showstopper atm and I'd like to get it fixed.
I've got a SB X-FI btw, and up to date drivers *duh*.

The only quickfix I can think of for now is to disable all the PSG's in the tships.pck file, unless someone can come up with a better sollution.

EDIT :

-Tested without the cockpit mod.
(This does seem to help a little (shorter freezetimes) but it still remains utterly unplayable so I won't give up cockpit's for just that,
(The correlation between cockpits and sound is a bit to deep for me.)
-Updates cockpits to work with 1.3, no effect.
-Updates to Catalyst 5.13, no effect.
-Turning postprocessing filter of, no effect.
-Automatic Qual Control off, no effect.
-Different Soundcard-settings, no effect.
-Different codecs, no effect.

Noted some people reporting the same problems with massdrivers, those I can not confirm, they run fine on my rig.

Azagoth · Post by **Azagoth** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 08:01

I have the same problem. It;s only the PSG weapons that causes this. When running 1.2.0.1 I never experienced any problems at all when these weapons were fired. It's only since 1.3 was installed that this particular problem decided to raise it's head.

It isn't a sound issue, as like I said, it worked just fine befor the latest patch!

Turning the graphics options down isn't a fix either! After all, why should I have to turn anything down to get a patch runing correctly when I had the game running at 90fps+ before this patch?

FX57 @ 3.4GHz
4GB Corsair XMS PC3200
2 x BFG 7800GTX 256MB DDR3 in SLi mode

SieurNewT · Post by **SieurNewT** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 11:38

Ok i changed the title

What i noticed is :

First PSG fire, all stop, then come back and freeze to hell, then HDD drive begin to works like hell at each second

Someone said me not using alt+tab to ckeck the usage (that report 2GB in the trash), but i really beleive the HDD is working on the swap, saying their is a memory lead and all my 1GB ram is in use.

Same savegame if i kill the PSG falcon immediatly then no problem at all with others ships.

What i have still to do is to uncompress my 100 GB but windows say its not needed so not sure will help

Red Spot · Post by **Red Spot** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 11:46

guys I've had serious problems with about any gun being fired ..
(do have to say I've got a seriously underpowered rig ..)
cause 'launch effects' are murder for my game ..
(it used to be the 'impact effects' that wrecked my game .. no its seems to have shifted a bit)

changing launch and impact effects to '0' in the Tbullets file might be (very!) helpfull ..

(see the S&M forum tutorial sticky about how you can easilly mod your Tbullets file..)

G

SieurNewT · Post by **SieurNewT** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 11:48

Ok simple test done, used the "windowed" mode to avoid problem about the alt+tab and then i could see exactly same problem, all memory have left 8Mb only avalaible when i look in the windows panel, and about 1GB swap usage

-XTM- · Post by **-XTM-** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 11:50

Do you use cockpits?
I noticed improvement on the freeze-clearup without them, dunno exactly what that suggests but it still remained totally unplayable.

For now I just removed all PSG's from pirate vessels, too bad for them but gave them dubble hept's in their rear-turrets in return (don't want angry pirates all over the place, there's enough of them already

)

SieurNewT · Post by **SieurNewT** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 11:51

yes i tried with and without (full restart), but not seen big change, was only ok when i put all effect OFF and all settings to low

-XTM- · Post by **-XTM-** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 11:53

Same here, I see btw that we can rule out a gpu-driver problem cause you're Nvidea and I'm Ati....narrows down the range somewhat.

The more I think about it, the more it starts to look like it can only be a codec-issue (once more)...some form of sound/latency hog caused by the sample of the PSG or it's rendering infront of it.

Problem is that I don't have a freakin clue as to how to solve that.

Where are the mods when you need them???

SieurNewT · Post by **SieurNewT** » Fri, 23. Dec 05, 12:05

there is a tool for codecs and all in this forum but it dont really found things, but i will have another look

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PSG do freeze 1.3

PSG do freeze 1.3