The best M5, M4, M3, M2, M1, Tship, TL, & PS, in the game?

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The best M5, M4, M3, M2, M1, Tship, TL, & PS, in the game?

Post by Asmayus » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 20:01

Was just wondering what was the best ship in each of the ship classes, and what other thought. I've got no M2/1's, so I don't know about them yet, but so far:

M5 -Discoverer (Just like it. Seems to be reliable enough)
M4 -Xenon M (4 PBE's on an M4??)
M3 -Xenon L (Even more PBE's?? I like.)
TL -Albatross(Mainly due to the BFAA's it can mount!)
Tship -Boron Dolphin

As for the others, I'll have to wait and see. I've never been on good terms with the Paranid either, so I've never flown any of their ships. Anyway, what do ye think??

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Post by TBV » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 20:10

Huge question.

Depends on what you want to use them for.
Capping, destruction, OOS, IS, escorts, personal ships.......etc.

Nice thing about X is there is usually 'the right tool for the right job',
rather than an outright 'best' at everything ship.

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Post by greatmagnus » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 20:14

What is the best trader for a player? I like to trade until I get my empire built up then go to a warship, but I want to know. Whose trader is better, and what class?

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Post by Asmayus » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 20:18

provided you can have something escort it, the Boron Dolphin has the best cargo hold in the game, the tanker gives you 1400 units of space -more than the argon titan. The Dolphin doesn't have any weapons though.

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Post by TBV » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 20:38

the Boron Dolphin has the best cargo hold in the game
And the Split Caiman Super-freighter(from Family Njy) is almost as big
but much faster, so could feasibly shift more cargo in less time.

It depends what you're going to do with it.

Like I said:
there is usually 'the right tool for the right job'

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Post by teki » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 21:53

M1 - Terran Odin
M2 - Kha'ak Destroyer
M3 - Kha'ak Fighter
M4 - Terran Mjolnir
M5 - Arrow
M6 - Goner Truelight Seeker
TL - Paranid Daedalus

With 1 of the above I can do anything.

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Post by kilauea » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 22:41

What is the terran odin?

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Post by Asmayus » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 22:54

That raises another question: Who are the Terrans? :?

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Post by Ecthelion » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 22:55

teki wrote:M1 - Terran Odin
M2 - Kha'ak Destroyer
M3 - Kha'ak Fighter
M4 - Terran Mjolnir
M5 - Arrow
M6 - Goner Truelight Seeker
TL - Paranid Daedalus

With 1 of the above I can do anything.
I may be wrong, but he may have actually been asking for ships you can get with an unmodded game. Did you purposely choose unpurchasable ships for each class?

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Post by teki » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 23:07

Info about Terran M1 and Terrans:
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Terran Odin = Earth's M1 Carrier. Carries 40 weapons unique to the terrans. Those weapons are more powerful than GGPC, and the ship itself is the fastest M1 by far with 120m/s (faster than some M3!). It has 12GJ shields and can carry 40 ships. One of these ship can lay waste to sectors, fast.

Terrans = humans from earth. What they are called in the game.

Ecthelion wrote:I may be wrong, but he may have actually been asking for ships you can get with an unmodded game. Did you purposely choose unpurchasable ships for each class?
The Kha'ak Fighter can be captured. No I did not purposely chose these because of that.

Each of those ships are unique and supirior to their individual class (my style of play, I have piloted all ships that can be piloted). As I said, with 1 of each, I can do everything. I don't need a fleet or multiples of 1 or more classes. Just 1 of each.

Quality over quantity, to me.
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Post by antman112 » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 23:12

There is no best ship of any kind just the one that will do what you like and will do the best job

this is not like freelacer of other space sims its much more in deth and you will find if you fly about one ship all the time that we will not be able to do some things as well as in a other

example M3's
fly about in the nova and you can take on large groups of fighters but you will not be able to keep up witht he faster M4 if they are runing away or some M3's
in a Mamba you can keep up but you lose shild power and have to pick your fights more cerfully :D
sorry of any spelling mistakes

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Post by Sam L.R. Griffiths » Fri, 17. Mar 06, 23:24

I assume you mean in X3 :D

M5 - Not sure
M4#1 - Yaki M4 with 25MW shields (only capable during story I think)
M4#2 - Boron Barracuda which can equip PBEs
M3 - Argon Nova Raider
TS - Argon Mercury Hauler (I think) from Omicron Lyri
TP - Not sure
PS - Argon Centaur (I think - not tried it yet :D)

Well that is my 2 pennies/cents worth.
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Post by ITM » Sun, 19. Mar 06, 13:03

Argon TS are very poor :/
I've made some stats on TS to see which one is the most efficient to transport something...
Let's have a look on www.x3database.com

Boron Barracuda is an M3 (which sucks)
Boron M4 is the Mako (very poor weapon reload rate)


TL - Paranid Daedalus -> wtf is that??
I thought it was Hercules...

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Post by teki » Sun, 19. Mar 06, 13:14

ITM wrote:TL - Paranid Daedalus -> wtf is that??
I thought it was Hercules...
The Daedalus is a plot-only ship AFAIK. What makes it special is its speed/agility (180m/s), low prize (4 mio) and 30000 ST cargo in combination.
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Post by Tsar_of_Cows » Sun, 19. Mar 06, 13:20

People, you need to start distinquishing between modded and unmodded games.

And also only mentioning pilotable ships. It is afterall a bit pointless to tell somebody that the best M1 is the Terran odin, when it is not possible to fly that ship without modding your game (and if you do ,you need to fix the model or you can't dock any fighters with it).

The "best" of any ship type depends entirely on what you want it for in any case, as they can all be used in different ways.

Though I'd say that generally the Argon Nova Raider is the best M3, the Dragon is the best M6, and the Raptor is the best M1. Everything else... matters less to me.

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Post by teki » Sun, 19. Mar 06, 13:30

Tsar_of_Cows wrote:People, you need to start distinquishing between modded and unmodded games.

And also only mentioning pilotable ships. It is afterall a bit pointless to tell somebody that the best M1 is the Terran odin, when it is not possible to fly that ship without modding your game (and if you do ,you need to fix the model or you can't dock any fighters with it).

The "best" of any ship type depends entirely on what you want it for in any case, as they can all be used in different ways.

Though I'd say that generally the Argon Nova Raider is the best M3, the Dragon is the best M6, and the Raptor is the best M1. Everything else... matters less to me.
The topic in question state no such restrictions. Only you do. The ships are there in the game and part of the universe. People are running scrips aware and unaware right and left already, and any change to any ships ability could be an even more 'pointless' comparison - in your view, no?

If really believe there isn't a "best" ship, then why post your own 'general' examples?

That said, I do get your own point. To me most of the normal ships are too alike one another, with no one clearly standing out. Skills, purpose and intend is what makes or break it... not the choice of ship. Weapons and others factors have alot to say also.

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Post by Tsar_of_Cows » Sun, 19. Mar 06, 13:46

teki wrote: The topic in question state no such restrictions. Only you do. The ships are there in the game and part of the universe. People are running scrips aware and unaware right and left already, and any change to any ships ability could be an even more 'pointless' comparison - in your view, no?

If really believe there isn't a "best" ship, then why post your own 'general' examples?
But if you don't revert to talking about the base game, then you aren't going to get anywhere, as there are so many mods which alter the balance of the game, that it becomes totally impossible to determine.

It would be like several people discussing a particularly difficult situation in poker, and I suddenly said "well that's easy, you just play the king of Swords!". Unbeknownst to them, I had added my own suit to the game, so we arent really talking about the same game, or rather, we are talking about a game with the same dynamics but a different playingfield. This my suggestion is then void when applied to the original game.

So, it is pointless to just say that a modded ship is the best, as it may well be, but that is on a modified playing field. It also adds cunfusion to the mix, as is evident by two posters asking what the "Terrans" are, which leads to a plot-destroying spoiler, which was mentioned freely without spoiler tags.

RE my "general bests": there is a key difference between applied superiority and general superiority. Generally the examples I stated are good ships, however they are not the best there is. For example, the Nova Raider cannot match a Falcom Sentinel for defense, or cargo space, but easily beats it in speed.

This seems as though I am claiming that the Nova Raider is the "best" however, for somebody who favors a strong defense to speed, the Nova Raider would be a very week choice, so to them it is not the "best" M3.

I merely wished to point out that they are good ships for most people's needs, I did not mean to point out that they are the "best" which implies they are superior in every way.

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Post by Tigerhawk71 » Sun, 19. Mar 06, 14:13

I'm gunna say the better ship of each class, is the one you die in the least.
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Post by deathweels » Sun, 19. Mar 06, 19:01

how can you mod the game to fly the odin. i a bit of a noob so i only just started.

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Post by Tsar_of_Cows » Sun, 19. Mar 06, 19:53

deathweels wrote:how can you mod the game to fly the odin. i a bit of a noob so i only just started.
Start here.

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