Hyperion, M7 frigate or M6 plus?

[Everyones Antihero]

I cant see the hyperion being labelled as a frigate i mean it acts like a souped up m6 gunboat i think it shouls be reclassified as an m6.

i always assumed the m7 frigate class would be chopped down destroyers not souped up m6's

your thoughts?

[Wolfkin]

I would like to ditch the M6 totaly, have a hard time finding any use for it in X3. Liked them more in X2, acted like a very big fighter with slower turning and a heck of a punch.

Come to think of it, why not have a M3+ model that acted like the X2 M6 and make this new M7 a M6.

[Cycrow]

but what makes you think that M7's are classed as "Frigates" ?

[foxy42]

but what makes you think that M7's are classed as "Frigates" ?

I must confess I think I may have been one of the people that started that, I just used it as a denominator, I didn't mean for it to be official or to 'take off'...I'm no military expert but I think frigates are smaller then destroyers and bigger than corvettes, so it seemed appropriate...

[dalin80]

'frigates' in x3 took off with the then m7 mod (now called xtended)

a 'frigate' in itself can really refer to many types of warship, used first to describe smaller faster warships by the royal navy not built as the big ships-of-the-line.

in ww2 they were slightly smaller then destroyers dedicated to a specific role, the term is now more vague, general frigates are smaller combat ships with multi-function capabilities.

the line is very bluryed, the new type 45 destroyer hms daring would have probably been labelled a cruiser not so long ago due to its 7.5kt weight. wherein current royal navy frigates would have been called destroyers.

[pjknibbs]

An M3+ compared to a standard M3 isn't hugely more powerful--maybe double the shields and with a bit of extra firepower from the extra turret. By that standard, the M7 is in no way an M6+--it has ten times the shielding and around 2.5 times the firepower of any M6 in the game! I think you could class it as a cut-down destroyer, too, since it has four turrets--you can easily destroy stuff without ever firing the main guns.

So, IMHO it fits its "halfway between M6 and M2" designation perfectly.

[meddluk]

I agree with nibbs, although it does need a nickname, M7 is just boring. Frigate is a little off the mark, its more of a battleship or something.

[DDM_Reaper20]

I agree with nibbs, although it does need a nickname, M7 is just boring. Frigate is a little off the mark, its more of a battleship or something.

I think "frigate" actually suits it pretty well. It's a fast, well-armed vessel, which is what frigates in the sailing age were like.

However, "escort destroyer" would be another choice. Lighter than a destroyer & less well armed.

Although I've found that the M7 hugely makes up for it. I've taken down a Xenon M2 -- admittedly, the 4 G-PSGs in the front turrets really helped.

[dalin80]

well historically then perhaps 'sloop' is more accurate

[mrbadger]

it looks to me like a Centauri cruiser, as in babylon 5.
It instantly became my personal ship, with a couple of eclipses on board, it's fab.

A Firefly, now that would rock. One officially in the game that is, not in a mod.

[UnderLord]

I think the M7 should be classed as a battle cruiser i mean its fairly fast good weapons as well as shields it tears though fighters like nothing its great!!!!

[laplace]

Cruiser sounds good.

[dalin80]

as a traditionalist i prefer frigate, cruisers are normally a few times the size of a destroyer.

the most powerful surface warship in the world is a cruiser, the kirov class more potent then the iowas to the eyes of many.

[Hg|Merc]

keeping in with naval classifications surely it would be a frigate, given that it is smaller than a destroyer and larger than corvette, and a cruiser is bigger than a destroyer.

[Husar]

I agree that its a frigate. it can't be a battleship, since M0s are already classified as that. Sloop is just out of the question since they are more like fast but poorly armored and armed gunboats. It can't be a cruiser either. Escort Destroyer is out as well, since if it would be that it would be more like a down-sized destroyer, whereas the Hyperion is actually more like an over sized M6. However, it can't be an over sized M6 in name because the stats and characteristics are too different. (For example, the Hyperion can dock ships, a trait which M6s lack.) So, the only remaining thing it can be is a frigate. Also, to me a frigate has basically always been a fast moving ship with a fair amount of guns mounted on it as well, and the Hyperion fits that description to me.

[Husar]

I agree that its a frigate. It can't be a battleship, since M0s are already classified as that. Sloop is just out of the question since they are more like fast but poorly armored and armed gunboats. It can't be a cruiser either. Escort Destroyer is out as well, since if it would be that it would be more like a down-sized destroyer, whereas the Hyperion is actually more like an over sized M6. However, it can't be an over sized M6 in name because the stats and characteristics are too different. (For example, the Hyperion can dock ships, a trait which M6s lack.) So, the only remaining thing it can be is a frigate. Also, to me a frigate has basically always been a fast moving ship with a fair amount of guns mounted on it as well, and the Hyperion fits that description to me.

[Shprot]

In my opinion m7 is to fast and overpowered. Most of the m6's and m3's can not even catch it. If you would like to travel fast - you sacrifice some other equipment, like shielding. Weapons and shielding puts it between m6 and m2. However, in terms of size it is not much bigger then m6... But it should. It doesn't sound realistic to me...

It is a nice ship! But I think it should be balanced better.


I would looooove to see an m7 variant with some flack cannons =)

[Psirus]

It is balenced because it is rare, not to mention the shield recharge times are horrible. Also the current M6's are all pretty limited except the argon and split because of their turrets and abilty to use MD's. So really an M7 frigate class is needed, as well as an M8 battlecruiser class, with the abilty to dock a number of ships and carrying greater firepower than an M2; just to make things a little more interesting.

[Shprot]

m7 class is definately needed and I agree that introducing new class ships or making + versions of existing one's (like M3+) makes the game very interesting. But in my opinion Hyperion is overpowered - small and fast. It should be bigger in size to make it more balanced.

[kmiller1610]

The M7 is a corvette class. Think of the White Star in babylon 5. It can carry a number of fighters and has great firepower, yet is far more manueverable than a full destroyer. If you haven't seen Babylon 5, try the Defiant from DS9.

Whatever you call it, you can live in it.