Which race built Starburst

stooper88 · Post by **stooper88** » Fri, 16. May 08, 06:30

I found a Starburst racing ship. I like to name my ships according to the race they belong to, but don't know which one applies. Anyone have the answer?

thanks in advance

AjaxDude · Post by **AjaxDude** » Fri, 16. May 08, 06:34

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They just appear in Freedoms Reach, and are just modified M5s. Nothing more. I haven't gotten one yet, because Freedom's Reach gives me the creeps.

{Some of that could be considered spoiler-type info, so I've spoilered it for you - eladan}

Nightwatch · Post by **Nightwatch** » Fri, 16. May 08, 06:56

Its a modified Argon Discoverer.

No-one probably "built" a class like it it but it was certainly modified to hell and back

borgrel · Post by **borgrel** » Sat, 17. May 08, 19:46

which race builds these??

you do dummy (after reverse engineering)

they great for gathering crystals for spp's

stooper88 · Post by **stooper88** » Sat, 17. May 08, 20:47

borgrel wrote:which race builds these??

you do dummy (after reverse engineering)

Thanks for the feedback, but I think you missed my point. I just wanted to know which race originated the Starburst class of ships, so I could name it accordingly (e.g. Argon Starburst, Goner Starburst, Yaki Starburst, etc) and organize my fleet.

I can see the 3D ship model follows after the Argon Discoverer, but I just wanted to know if anyone had any knowledge that was more certain. Of course I can reverse engineer the ship and manufacture my own copies, but I wouldn't name them Player Starburst bc they'd still be Argon or whatever class ships.

Consider for example that there are Argon variants of the Buster and Nova. Yet there are also Pirate variants with their own ship stats and paint designs. Hence I name my ships according to their "Race Membership": Argon Buster vs Pirate Buster, etc.

borgrel · Post by **borgrel** » Sat, 17. May 08, 21:19

i would say Yaki

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it is found in a Yaki sector after all

it makes the most sense, one of them took the discoverer and modded it for the racing

if you want an official answer i would post it in technical support though.

Saber15 · Post by **Saber15** » Sat, 17. May 08, 21:20

Probably a regular Discoverer Raider that was modified by Boron (This is a guess. Mostly because all the race pilot were Boron in my game.)

Post by **Terre** » Sat, 17. May 08, 21:28

I have it listed as 'Argon Starburst'.

Nightwatch · Post by **Nightwatch** » Sun, 18. May 08, 01:05

borgrel wrote:i would say Yaki
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it is found in a Yaki sector after all
it makes the most sense, one of them took the discoverer and modded it for the racing

if you want an official answer i would post it in technical support though.

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Freedoms reach is not a Yaki Sector

Nyax · Post by **Nyax** » Sun, 18. May 08, 03:32

It's a ship built for racing, so the chances are it wasn't built by any particular race. It's more likely it was built by a company.

Your question is a little like asking 'Which country/ government makes Formula 1 cars?'

Usenko · Post by **Usenko** » Sun, 18. May 08, 12:05

The same could be said for combat aircraft, though - the F-22 is a Lockheed Martin product, whilst the F/A-18 is Boeing (formerly McDonnel-Douglas).

Nyax · Post by **Nyax** » Sun, 18. May 08, 12:39

While that's certainly true, the Military craft they make are still being manufactured for a specific government. That's not true of vehicles built for racing.

exogenesis · Post by **exogenesis** » Sun, 18. May 08, 13:10

Same question could be asked about the Arrow,
I found out who created that (and the Starburst)

http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 08#2291908

stooper88 · Post by **stooper88** » Sun, 18. May 08, 19:28

exogenesis wrote:Same question could be asked about the Arrow,
I found out who created that (and the Starburst)

http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 08#2291908

Thank you very much exogenesis. This satisfies my question. The bit about the Arrow is surprising, but I'm glad to have it pointed out.

Nyax wrote: While that's certainly true, the Military craft they make are still being manufactured for a specific government. That's not true of vehicles built for racing.

Nyax, I don't think your point really applies. It's certainly true that real life follows the convention you point out, but this is the x3 universe. All the ships belong to a race regardless of their purpose or function. If we want to roleplay, it's easy to imagine corporations or private entities (TerraCorp, Burnit, etc.) that design, mfg, and/or customize ships and products. But all I really want to know is what race each ship belongs to so I can name them accordingly.

And as an aside, from what I can tell, there are no embargoes or export controls being enforced in x3 universe, as it's not difficult to find pilots of various races flying fighter craft from differing races.

borgrel · Post by **borgrel** » Tue, 20. May 08, 13:30

Nightwatch wrote:
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Freedoms reach is not a Yaki Sector

Thats what they want you to believe

bp2019 · Post by **bp2019** » Tue, 20. May 08, 23:37

Personally I would say Teladi, they generally race from a TELADI trading station and I would imagine ships such as this as being driver modified, but as its being done in a Teladi station and likely overseen by the staff there I would brand it as Teladi but truthfully a RACING ship doesn't belong to any race, and Being that the Teladi do anything for profit it makes sense they would oversee and help pilots convert their ships.... for a fee.

Post by **Nanook** » Wed, 21. May 08, 00:20

stooper88 wrote:...It's certainly true that real life follows the convention you point out, but this is the x3 universe. All the ships belong to a race regardless of their purpose or function. .....

Not true, either. Assassination mission ships have no race identifier. In fact, the game just considers them 'enemy race' to the player and no one else. While the mark always flies a ship built by his race, he and his escorts are not considered part of that race. Hence, private entities. And technically, pirates aren't a true race either, since they're composed of members of all the different races. And their ships are generally believed to be built by the Teladi, but to pirate specs, being modified versions of Teladi and Argon ships. And to really muddy the waters, there are the smugglers, who are actually pirates, but they fly 'normal' race ships of various types. So would you call a pirate-flown Mercury a 'Pirate Mercury' despite it being identical to a normal one, or would you call it an 'Argon Mercury' despite it being flown by a pirate?

bp2019 · Post by **bp2019** » Wed, 21. May 08, 01:35

"Pirate Argon Mercury"