I have the reason for one of the SETA slowdowns

Baleur · Post by **Baleur** » Fri, 7. Nov 08, 14:21

As ive said before, i'll say it again even though Cycrow told me "no." the last time i suggested this as the reason..
The reason for the slowdowns after leaving it on SETA x10 overnight is due to the collision avoidance of npc ships..

Every single time i use SETA overnight, it sits at 70fps when i go to bed, and at 1fps when i come back, even with SETA turned off i get less than 2fps.

And what is the one consistent thing that i ALWAYS see in the sector i SETA'd in? (unless its an empty no-trade sector)
A huge clump of freighters and escorts by one of the gates, failing to get through due to them all being buisy avoiding eachother, causing the slowdown.

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 130gf1.jpg

Jumping out of the sector and playing for an hour or so, or even just SETA'ing it away, those previously clogged freighters can now be seen POURING through the gate on the connected sector, almost like a flood of traders FINALLY being let loose..

This may even tie in with the overall slowdowns, since the fps rarely goes back up to the previous level, no matter how much time has passed.

Seriously, do something about this. You have the reason, it is reproducable 100%, so whats up?
And dont ask me for a savegame, because the 1fps slowdown clears up when reloading, its just generally slow like in any other persons savegame.
But the screenshot tells the story, in that clump there are over 100 ships, and dont forget that it affects the economy too, since those traders are stuck.
Btw those traders were NOT in the sector before using SETA, those are all the traders that ever entered the sector, and got stuck. Its basically like a big sector of glue, trapping ships and preventing trade.

(----____JEFF____----) · Post by **(----____JEFF____----)** » Fri, 7. Nov 08, 15:01

Cycrow is right if he says that collision detection doesn't cause this. Why? Because when you go to another sector without all those ships your framerate doesn't get back to normal (that's what you say at least).
You should know that OOS there is no collision detection, so I doubt that causes a permanent slow down (even if it's just for one session).
It also doesn't explain why your framerate is good again if you reload.

My guess is that everything goes in to the swapfile on your HDD (because of high memory usage after such a long time), and just not everything gets moved back to the ram properly. But that's just all my thoughts, I could very well be wrong

Edit: a good way to test your theory is if someone could write a script that turns of collision detection for everything, and then run SETA again to see if the same problem occurs or not

Geggo · Post by **Geggo** » Fri, 7. Nov 08, 15:55

Now that should be easy to remedy...just go SETA idle somewhere where no trafic ever passes.

codru · Post by **codru** » Fri, 7. Nov 08, 16:50

got a very simillar problem, check http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=222380

SlainteMaith · Post by **SlainteMaith** » Fri, 7. Nov 08, 16:50

You're right. It should be that easy.

It isn't. I generally make it a point to do my overnight SETA far, far away from everything else, since I don't want some over-enthusiastic would-be-cop to scan me and cancel SETA.

It doesn't help SETA performance at all--it still makes everything very VERY choppy.

Oh. And the performance patch 1.2.1 did bupkis. Squat. Diddly. Nada. Nil. Null. Void. Zero. Zip...

Here's my DXDiag.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 10/22/2008, 00:25:41
Machine name: FALSTAFF
Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: BIOS Date: 12/19/07 Ver: 08.00.14
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Windows Dir: D:\Windows
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| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 1/18/2008 23:41:54, 35384 bytes
|
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| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 1/18/2008 21:49:18, 15872 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 1/18/2008 23:41:54, 34360 bytes
|
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| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC016
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
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| Driver: mouclass.sys, 1/18/2008 23:41:54, 34360 bytes
|
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| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
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| Driver: sermouse.sys, 1/18/2008 21:49:18, 19968 bytes
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Driver: d:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:49:52, 67072 bytes

Drive: G:
Model: XI3187T DIM519V SCSI CdRom Device
Driver: d:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:49:52, 67072 bytes

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System Devices
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Name: Atheros L1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1969&DEV_1048&SUBSYS_82261043&REV_B0\4&185D2A62&0&0030
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\l160x86.sys, 2.04.0007.0013 (English), 4/28/2008 14:55:00, 46592 bytes

Name: Creative SB Audigy 2 (WDM)
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0008&SUBSYS_10011102&REV_00\4&2966AB86&0&30A4
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\ctac32k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 04:19:30, 511272 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\ctaud2k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 04:20:38, 520488 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\ctoss2k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 05:59:04, 126760 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\ctprxy2k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 04:25:46, 14632 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\ctsfm2k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 06:00:24, 157480 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\emupia2k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 04:28:36, 92968 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\ha10kx2k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 04:29:10, 797992 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\haP16v2k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 04:31:18, 163112 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\haP17v2k.sys, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 04:32:06, 189736 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\ha20x2k.sys, 5.12.0001.1241 (English), 4/10/2007 06:03:12, 1164072 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\pfmodnt.sys, 3.00.0000.0012 (English), 4/10/2007 04:32:34, 16168 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdlang.dat, 4/9/2007 12:24:30, 325821 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdnlstr.dat, 4/9/2007 12:24:30, 46273 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctstatic.dat, 4/9/2007 12:19:20, 313207 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdaught.dat, 4/9/2007 12:19:20, 53932 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctzapxx.ini, 4/9/2007 12:55:14, 54 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\instwdm.ini, 4/9/2007 12:55:14, 97785 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\kill.ini, 10/2/2006 09:25:18, 307 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CT1MGM.ROM, 2/25/2000 04:49:36, 1048576 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CT2MGM.SF2, 9/22/1999 15:18:38, 2167684 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\default4.sfm, 1/3/2002 07:44:16, 59 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\default8.sfm, 1/3/2002 07:44:16, 59 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\default.sfm, 1/3/2002 07:44:16, 59 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\Temp\ctpxinst.exe, 1.01.0000.0058 (English), 11/14/2006 09:01:30, 58104 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\Temp\cttele.dll, 1.00.0002.0000 (English), 11/14/2006 07:28:54, 86016 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\COMMONFX.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/18/2007 08:59:40, 98600 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTAUDFX.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:16, 546048 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTSBLFX.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:16, 560384 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTEAPSFX.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:18, 168192 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTEDSPFX.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:20, 280320 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTERFXFX.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:20, 94976 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTEDSPIO.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:22, 128768 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTEDSPSY.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:22, 323328 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTEXFIFX.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:24, 1317632 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CT20XUT.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:26, 164608 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTHWIUT.DLL, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:26, 66816 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\regplib.exe, 4/9/2007 12:21:44, 48128 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\a3d.dll, 80.00.0000.0003 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:58, 34816 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ac3api.dll, 6.00.0001.1242 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:46, 27648 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctosuser.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:21:50, 137728 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctemupia.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:24:06, 110080 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\piaproxy.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:21:42, 81920 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdproxy.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:22:00, 76800 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctagent.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:30, 8704 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctasio.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:22:02, 79872 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctedasio.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:22:04, 50176 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ct_oal.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:22:04, 205312 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\OALInst.exe, 1.09.0009.0000 (English), 11/23/2006 00:55:48, 782336 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctpxinst.exe, 1.01.0000.0058 (English), 11/14/2006 09:01:30, 58104 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\AddCat.exe, 0.00.0000.0001 (English), 4/9/2007 11:25:36, 48400 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTAPO32.UDA, 4/10/2007 06:11:58, 8009 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\APOMgrH.dll, 1.00.0020.0001 (English), 4/12/2007 08:10:28, 105728 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctthxcal.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:24, 69632 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTxfiBtn.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:34, 35840 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTxfiSpk.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:34, 46592 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\Ct20xspi.dll, 6.00.0001.1242 (English), 4/9/2007 12:29:30, 10752 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTxfispi.exe, 6.00.0001.1242 (English), 4/9/2007 12:29:28, 934400 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\Ctxfihlp.exe, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:32, 19968 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\Ctxfireg.exe, 6.00.0001.1242 (English), 4/9/2007 12:29:30, 43520 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\devreg.dll, 6.00.0001.1242 (English), 4/9/2007 12:19:02, 48640 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\eaxac3.dll, 1.01.0002.0000 (English), 7/11/2001 02:51:00, 77824 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\killapps.exe, 1.00.0000.0001 (English), 4/9/2007 12:19:16, 10240 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctpres.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:24, 9216 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\inres.dll, 1.00.0009.0000 (English), 4/9/2007 12:33:38, 11776 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdcres.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:20, 10240 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\enlocstr.exe, 4/9/2007 12:19:18, 5120 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\psconv.exe, 4/9/2007 12:32:32, 37888 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\readreg.exe, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:36, 38400 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctmmep.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:28, 12800 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctmmactl.dll, 1.00.0001.0122 (English), 6/16/2005 10:17:16, 71680 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTpcmcia.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:30, 56832 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTBurst.dll, 1.00.0000.0024 (English), 4/9/2007 12:33:50, 43520 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctscal.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:22, 78336 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctspkhlp.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:30, 45568 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdc0000.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:20, 227840 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdc0001.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:22, 335872 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdcifce.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:22, 131072 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CtHelper.exe, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:32:32, 19456 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\sfman32.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:21:48, 22528 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\sfms32.dll, 6.00.0001.1241 (English), 4/9/2007 12:21:46, 130048 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CT0060W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:28, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\ctd20x.dat, 4/9/2007 12:19:20, 26783 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEAPSW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:36, 201502 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEDSP2W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:58, 374041 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEDSPHW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:20:00, 348425 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEDSPKW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:58, 294775 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEDSPLW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:58, 294775 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEDSPPW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:20:00, 330665 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEDSPTW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:20:00, 270927 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEDSPUW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:20:00, 270927 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTEDSPW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:50, 374041 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP017AW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:32, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP017BW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:34, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP017CW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:34, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP017DW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:34, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP017EW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:34, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP017FW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:34, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP017GW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:36, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP017HW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:36, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP046AW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 263802 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP046BW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 263802 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP046CW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 263802 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP055AW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:32, 264060 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0060W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:28, 235259 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0061W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:30, 235259 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0070W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:38, 289409 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP073AW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:32, 265966 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0073W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:38, 289409 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0090W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:38, 276738 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0091W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:42, 275169 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0092W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:40, 276738 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0095W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:44, 274587 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0100W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:28, 235259 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0101W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:30, 235259 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0102W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:30, 235259 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0103W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:32, 235259 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0105W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:32, 235259 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0150W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:26, 232158 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0161W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:40, 275427 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0162W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:40, 276738 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0170W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:32, 235259 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0191W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:40, 275169 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0192W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:40, 276738 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0221W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:30, 236189 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0222W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:30, 236189 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0230W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:42, 277159 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0231W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:42, 275816 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0232W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:42, 277159 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0238W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:42, 275517 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0240W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:44, 319070 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0242W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:46, 319730 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0243W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:46, 318800 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0244W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:46, 319730 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0245W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:46, 318254 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0246W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:48, 319730 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0249W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:48, 318341 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0280W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:48, 318254 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0320W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:50, 318254 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0350W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:50, 323640 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0352W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:50, 321529 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0355W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:54, 322194 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0358W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:52, 321552 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0359W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:52, 320622 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0360W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:52, 320076 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0380W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:54, 320076 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0400W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:56, 319757 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0460W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:28, 264130 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0462W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:32, 264130 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0463W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:28, 264060 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0464W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 264130 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0465W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 264130 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0466W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:28, 264130 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0468W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 264130 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0469W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 264130 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0530L.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:20:44, 232116 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0530W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:20:02, 321377 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0531L.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:28, 232116 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0531W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:20:46, 321377 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0550W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:28, 264388 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0600W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:56, 319757 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0610W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:56, 319757 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0669W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:58, 319757 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0678W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:32, 345761 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0679W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:28, 345761 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0730W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 265966 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0760W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:30, 263543 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0773W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:32, 269402 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP0930W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:21:32, 268778 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP1140W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:22, 233684 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4620W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:20, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4670W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:22, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4760W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:22, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4780W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:24, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4790W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:26, 232158 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4820W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:38, 267599 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4830W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:24, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4831W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:24, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4832W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:26, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4840W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:26, 232158 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4850W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:22, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4870W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:22, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4871W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:24, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4872W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:24, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4875W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:24, 233024 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4890W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:26, 232158 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4891W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:28, 232158 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTP4893W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:28, 232158 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTPDXW.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:30, 235142 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTPM002W.DAT, 4/9/2007 12:19:22, 233684 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\cts20x.dat, 4/9/2007 12:19:20, 2091 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTXFIGM.RFX, 7/28/2006 02:31:44, 41320 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTXFIEM.RFX, 7/28/2006 02:31:42, 41788 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTXFICM.RFX, 7/28/2006 02:31:40, 41624 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\data\CTXFICBM.RFX, 6/22/2005 22:58:50, 7352 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctbas2w.dat, 4/9/2007 12:21:28, 149838 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctsbas2w.dat, 4/9/2007 12:19:44, 274587 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\SBAudigy.ico, 8/17/2001 04:42:28, 7406 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\Audigy.bmp, 11/13/2001 01:48:20, 1912 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctcoinst.dll, 3.00.0002.0039 (English), 4/9/2007 12:33:36, 86016 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctdvinst.dll, 0.05.0000.0039 (English), 4/9/2007 12:33:36, 163328 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctsfinst.dll, 1.00.0000.0005 (English), 6/30/2005 07:24:14, 121856 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\ctdvda2k.sys, 5.13.0001.0461 (English), 4/10/2007 04:21:06, 347128 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\CTAPO32.dll, 1.00.0000.0151 (English), 4/9/2007 11:25:04, 444928 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\ctppld.dll, 1.00.0000.0151 (English), 4/9/2007 11:25:26, 45568 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\CTDVAUDY.CDF, 1/3/2005 04:18:12, 4958588 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\CTDV10K1.CDF, 6/25/2004 02:47:10, 3377466 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\CTDV10K2.CDF, 11/15/2001 07:25:52, 3735544 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\drmk.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 22:53:04, 130048 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\portcls.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:20, 167936 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\WMALFXGFXDSP.dll, 11.00.6001.7000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:37:00, 1312256 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\SysFxUI.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:36:40, 338944 bytes

Name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0191&SUBSYS_C8313842&REV_A2\4&7E682FB&0&0010
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\nvlddmkm.sys, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 7380896 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvd3dum.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 5963776 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvapi.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 483328 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvcuda.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 1486848 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvwgf2um.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 2503168 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvoglv32.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 9011200 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvsvs.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 1269760 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvsvsr.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 704512 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvcpl.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 13584928 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvsvc.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 612896 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvmctray.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 92704 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvdisps.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 3996192 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvgames.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 3451424 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvmccss.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 195104 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvmobls.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 1264160 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvvitvs.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 3770912 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvmccs.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 236064 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvmccsrs.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (Arabic), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 45056 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvwss.dll, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 2693664 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvcolor.exe, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 143360 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvudisp.exe, 1.03.0016.0001 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 453152 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe, 7.15.0011.7824 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 203296 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvwsapps.xml, 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 36235 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvapps.xml, 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 201157 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvdisp.nvu, 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 9085 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\dpinst.exe, 2.01.0000.0000 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 795104 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\help\nvcpl\nvdsp.chm, 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 186185 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\help\nvcpl\nv3d.chm, 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 116384 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\help\nvcpl\nvmob.chm, 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 54988 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\help\nvcpl\nvwks.chm, 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 261806 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\nvtmpinst\nvcpl.cpl, , 0 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\nvtmpinst\nvcplui.exe, , 0 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\nvtmpinst\nvcpl.chm, , 0 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvcod.dll, 1.03.0004.0028 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 122880 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvcod134.dll, 1.03.0004.0028 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 122880 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvcodh.dll, 1.03.0004.0028 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 122880 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\nvcodhins.dll, 1.03.0004.0028 (English), 10/7/2008 13:33:00, 122880 bytes

Name: AMD Miscellaneous Configuration
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1103&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C3
Driver: n/a

Name: AMD DRAM and HyperTransport(tm) Trace Mode Configuration
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1102&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C2
Driver: n/a

Name: AMD Address Map Configuration
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1101&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C1
Driver: n/a

Name: AMD HyperTransport(tm) Configuration
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1100&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C0
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_597C&SUBSYS_59571002&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&30
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:42:22, 151096 bytes

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5978&SUBSYS_59571002&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&10
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:42:22, 151096 bytes

Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5957&SUBSYS_59571002&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&00
Driver: n/a

Name: ATI I/O Communications Processor LPC Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_438D&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&A3
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\msisadrv.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:41:16, 16440 bytes

Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_438C&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&A1
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:41:14, 16440 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:42:12, 45112 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:41:32, 21560 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\ataport.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:43:08, 110136 bytes

Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_438B&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&9C
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbohci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:22, 19456 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:26, 226304 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:44, 194560 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\hcrstco.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:34:26, 15872 bytes

Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_438A&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&9B
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbohci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:22, 19456 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:26, 226304 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:44, 194560 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\hcrstco.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:34:26, 15872 bytes

Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4389&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&9A
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbohci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:22, 19456 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:26, 226304 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:44, 194560 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\hcrstco.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:34:26, 15872 bytes

Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4388&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&99
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbohci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:22, 19456 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:26, 226304 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:44, 194560 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\hcrstco.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:34:26, 15872 bytes

Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4387&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&98
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbohci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:22, 19456 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:26, 226304 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:44, 194560 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\hcrstco.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:34:26, 15872 bytes

Name: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4386&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&9D
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:22, 39424 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:26, 226304 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 21:53:44, 194560 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\hccoin.dll, 6.00.6000.16386 (English), 11/2/2006 01:46:06, 8704 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\hcrstco.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:34:26, 15872 bytes

Name: ATI I/O Communications Processor SMBus Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4385&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_14\3&267A616A&0&A0
Driver: n/a

Name: ATI I/O Communications Processor PCI Bus Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4384&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&A4
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:42:22, 151096 bytes

Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4380&SUBSYS_81EF1043&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&90
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:41:14, 16440 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:42:12, 45112 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:41:32, 21560 bytes
Driver: D:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\ataport.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/18/2008 23:43:08, 110136 bytes

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DirectShow Filters
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DirectShow Filters:
WMAudio Decoder DMO,0x00800800,1,1,,
WMAPro over S/PDIF DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMSpeech Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
MP3 Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
Mpeg4s Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
WMV Screen decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMVideo Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Mpeg43 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Mpeg4 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Vorbis Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,OggDS.DLL,0.09.0009.0005
Full Screen Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Multiple File Output,0x00200000,2,2,WMM2FILT.dll,
TimeShift2.0 Client Filter,0x00400000,0,1,TimeShift2.ax,1.00.0000.0007
WMT Black Frame Generator,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
WMT Import Filter,0x00200000,0,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
DV Muxer,0x00400000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18000
Color Space Converter,0x00400001,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
WMT Interlacer,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
LogMeIn Video Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,racodec.ax,
WM ASF Reader,0x00400000,0,0,,11.00.6001.7000
Screen Capture filter,0x00200000,0,1,wmpsrcwp.dll,11.00.6001.7000
AVI Splitter,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
VGA 16 Color Ditherer,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Arcsoft PutDataSample Filter 1.0,0x00200000,1,1,ArcPutDataSample.ax,1.00.0000.0005
Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Decoder,0x005fffff,2,4,msmpeg2vdec.dll,11.00.6001.7000
AC3 Parser Filter,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.6001.18000
WMT Format Conversion,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
9x8Resize,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
StreamBufferSink,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.6001.18000
WMT Virtual Source,0x00200000,0,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Microsoft TV Caption Decoder,0x00200001,1,0,MSTVCapn.dll,6.00.6001.18000
MJPEG Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
CBVA DMO wrapper filter,0x00200000,1,1,cbva.dll,6.00.6001.18000
MPEG-I Stream Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,,6.06.6001.18063
ArcSoft Mpeg Encoder Filter,0x00200000,2,0,ArcMpegCodec.ax,2.05.0000.0010
SAMI (CC) Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.6001.18000
MPEG-2 Splitter,0x005fffff,1,0,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.6001.18000
WMT AudioAnalyzer,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Encoder,0x00200000,2,0,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6001.7000
LogMeIn Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,racodec.ax,
Stretch Video,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Arcsoft GetDataSample Filter 1.0,0x00200000,1,1,ArcGetDataSample.ax,1.00.0000.0003
ArcSoft MPEG Audio Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,mpgaudio.ax,2.04.0002.0016
Internal Script Command Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
MPEG Audio Decoder,0x03680001,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
DV Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,,6.06.6001.18000
Video Mixing Renderer 9,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
ArcSoft QCELP Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,QCELPDecoder.ax,1.00.0000.0002
TimeShift2.0 Server Filter,0x00200000,1,0,TimeShift2.ax,1.00.0000.0007
Microsoft MPEG-2 Encoder,0x00200000,2,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6001.7000
Frame Eater,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Allocator Fix,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
ACM Wrapper,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Video Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
ArcSoft File Dump,0x00200000,1,0,FileDump.ax,2.00.0000.0011
MPEG-2 Video Stream Analyzer,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.6001.18000
Capture ASF Writer,0x00200000,0,0,WMM2FILT.dll,
Line 21 Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
ArcSoft Deinterlace,0x00200000,1,1,deinterlace.ax,1.00.0001.0006
Video Port Manager,0x00600000,2,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Video Renderer,0x00400000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Bitmap Generate,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Proxy Sink,0x00200000,1,0,WMM2FILT.dll,
Proxy Source,0x00200000,0,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
WM ASF Writer,0x00400000,0,0,,11.00.6001.7000
VBI Surface Allocator,0x00600000,1,1,vbisurf.ax,6.00.6001.18000
WMT Sample Information Filter,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
File writer,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18000
Vorbis Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,OggDS.DLL,0.09.0009.0005
Ogg Multiplexer,0x00400000,1,1,OggDS.DLL,0.09.0009.0005
ArcSoft AAC Decoder,0x09900000,1,1,AACDecode.ax,1.00.0000.0021
ArcSoft MPEG4 Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,MP4Decoder.ax,1.00.0000.0021
DVD Navigator,0x00200000,0,3,,6.06.6001.18000
WMT DV Extract,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Overlay Mixer2,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
AC3Filter,0x40000000,1,1,ac3filter.ax,1.03.0001.0000
AVI Draw,0x00600064,9,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Microsoft MPEG-2 Audio Encoder,0x00200000,2,0,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6001.7000
WST Pager,0x00800000,1,1,WSTPager.ax,6.06.6001.18000
MPEG-2 Demultiplexer,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.6001.18000
Record Queue,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
DV Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
ArcSoft Video Decoder,0x00600000,2,3,uASViD.ax,1.08.0000.0001
LAME Audio Encoder,0x00100000,2,1,lame.ax,
SampleGrabber,0x00200000,1,1,qedit.dll,6.06.6001.18000
Null Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,qedit.dll,6.06.6001.18000
WMT Log Filter,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x005fffff,1,0,Mpeg2Data.ax,6.06.6001.18000
Microsoft AC3 Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msac3enc.dll,11.00.6001.7000
WMT Virtual Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,WMM2FILT.dll,
StreamBufferSource,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.6001.18000
Smart Tee,0x00200000,1,2,,6.06.6001.18000
Overlay Mixer,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18000
AVI Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
WMT MuxDeMux Filter,0x00200000,0,0,WMM2FILT.dll,
NetBridge,0x00200000,2,0,netbridge.dll,6.01.6001.18000
AVI/WAV File Source,0x00400000,0,2,,6.06.6001.18063
WMT Volume,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Wave Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Multi-file Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
File stream renderer,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
ArcSoft MPEG Splitter,0x00400000,1,2,ArcSpl.ax,2.04.0002.0039
Arcsoft AMRDecoder,0x00600000,1,1,AMRDecoder.ax,1.00.0000.0019
ArcSoft H263 Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,H263Dec.ax,1.00.0000.0021
ArcSoft H.264 Decoder,0x008fffff,1,1,H264DecFilter.ax,1.00.0001.0005
WMT VIH2 Fix,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Microsoft MPEG-1/DD Audio Decoder,0x005fffff,1,1,msmpeg2adec.dll,11.00.6001.7000
AVI Mux,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18000
Line 21 Decoder 2,0x00600002,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,,6.06.6001.18063
File Source (URL),0x00400000,0,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Media Center Extender Encryption Filter,0x00200000,2,2,Mcx2Filter.dll,6.01.6001.18000
AudioRecorder WAV Dest,0x00200000,0,0,,6.00.6001.18000
AudioRecorder Wave Form,0x00200000,0,0,,6.00.6001.18000
SoundRecorder Null Renderer,0x00200000,0,0,,6.00.6001.18000
Ogg Splitter,0x00600000,1,1,OggDS.DLL,0.09.0009.0005
ArcSoft MP4 Splitter,0x00600000,0,2,MP4Splitter.ax,1.00.0000.0021
ArcSoft MPEG Video Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,mpgvideo.ax,2.04.0000.0046
Infinite Pin Tee Filter,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
WMT Switch Filter,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
Enhanced Video Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,evr.dll,6.00.6001.18000
Uncompressed Domain Shot Detection Filter,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,
BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00200000,2,0,psisrndr.ax,6.06.6001.18061
MPEG Video Decoder,0x40000001,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063

WDM Streaming Tee/Splitter Devices:
Tee/Sink-to-Sink Converter,0x00200000,1,1,,6.00.6001.18000

WDM Streaming Data Transforms:
Microsoft Kernel DRM Audio Descrambler,0x00200000,1,1,,6.00.6001.18000

Video Compressors:
WMVideo8 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMVideo9 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
MSScreen 9 encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
ArcSoft Mpeg Encode Filter,0x00200000,0,0,ArcMpegCodec.ax,2.05.0000.0010
DV Video Encoder,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18000
LogMeIn Video Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,racodec.ax,
MJPEG Compressor,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Cinepak Codec by Radius,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
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Baleur · Post by **Baleur** » Fri, 7. Nov 08, 18:03

(----____JEFF____----) wrote:Cycrow is right if he says that collision detection doesn't cause this. Why? Because when you go to another sector without all those ships your framerate doesn't get back to normal (that's what you say at least).
You should know that OOS there is no collision detection, so I doubt that causes a permanent slow down (even if it's just for one session).
It also doesn't explain why your framerate is good again if you reload.

Well no, i said that if i go OOS and wait a while, it clears up.
In the same sector i SETA'd in, i get 1fps.
Jumping to another sector and i get about 15fps or so.
(this is with seta turned off obviously)

However, it seems my savegame is now truly fracked up, it seems it is permanently at a lower fps now.. I usually get at least 10fps at SETA (when travelling around, normal gameplay), now i get 1fps, still..
Its actually unplayable for me now, as others have reported before me.
And as always, starting a new game, no matter how much havoc i cause in the first hour, it always stays at almost twice the fps i get from my 30+ hour savegame..

How can it NOT have anything to do with collision detection, if there is a HUGE fps drop, and a HUGE clump of +100 freighters near-crashing into eachother for all eternity, right by a gate?
That just keeps trapping ships, unless i jump OOS so they can pass through everything as normal?

There is a clear issue here, it causes an instant in-system fps drop, and it causes a longer duration general fps drop. If its not an issue with the collision detection, then its something with the AI. I just know it has something to do with this, otherwise i would;

A: Not have a clump of 100 ships by a gate in the system i SETA'd in.
B: Not have lost 90% of my framerate

NUKLEAR-SLUG · Post by **NUKLEAR-SLUG** » Sat, 8. Nov 08, 00:09

Sounds to me a lot more likely to be a result of your extended seta sessions.

Try not doing that as much.

Baleur · Post by **Baleur** » Sat, 8. Nov 08, 01:02

NUKLEAR-SLUG wrote:Sounds to me a lot more likely to be a result of your extended seta sessions.

Try not doing that as much.

Well thats like saying, dont play the game so much

But whatever, the fps did climb back to nice levels after about an hour. But its still an issue.

Little · Post by **Little** » Sat, 8. Nov 08, 04:31

Sold!

To the man that has:

* actually done some research before posting

* used assertive language

* showed some degree of knowing just what the hell what he is talking about!

NUKLEAR-SLUG · Post by **NUKLEAR-SLUG** » Sat, 8. Nov 08, 10:24

Baleur wrote:Well thats like saying, dont play the game so much
But whatever, the fps did climb back to nice levels after about an hour. But its still an issue.

You're not playing the game tho are you. You've stuck it on seta and gone to bed or whatever.

And as you say, after an hour it goes back to normal so the cause of the problem seems to be directly attributable to your extended seta. If you weren't doing it you wouldn't be seeing a problem.

To be honest I can't see why you'ld even want to be doing it. Sure in X3:R where the UT was king an overnight seta would earn you millions but the way the combat missions are broke at the moment you can earn 300 million or so in a single mission so what's the point?

amirite · Post by **amirite** » Sat, 8. Nov 08, 20:00

No. That's like saying the current workaround for the Terran campaign bug in M148 is sufficient and that Egosoft should just move on.

What you're saying is irrelevant - you have your playstyle, we have ours. It's obvious that this is a clearcut situation of a game feature not performing as intended. Saying it's being abused or whatever is just silly.

This has happened to me more times than I can count, to be fair some of it occured in X3R, but it's happened enough times in X3TC to freak me out. It's at the point now where I prepare for it beforehand and save right before bed. There's a pretty good chance that the next morning I'll have to load from that save because my FPS is screwed yet again. So far though in TC it has been pretty good about recovering. I'm just nervous it will eventually stick.

EDIT: For the record, just last night as I went to bed, I heard my ship being scanned. I rolled over and decided not to care because I was too tired. When I woke up my FPS was gone again, so that's like 6 hours of normal gametime with about 20 minutes of SETA beforehand. Sounds like pretty normal game usage to me.

NUKLEAR-SLUG · Post by **NUKLEAR-SLUG** » Sat, 8. Nov 08, 20:45

No, the M148 bug should be fixed and as bugs go that's one that I can easily accept being missed given the circumstances required to cause it.

Seta does work as intended. Get from point A to point B in a condensed timespan. It was not intended to be stuck on and left. It is abusing a feature and Egosoft were themselves aware of the potential for this kind of abuse which is why they coded the game to penalise your combat rank for extended use of it.

If you're nervous that you're causing potential damage to your savegames then surely the sensible move would be to stop doing it? If it does mess something up are you planning to blame Egosoft for the choice you made?

Carlo the Curious · Post by **Carlo the Curious** » Sat, 8. Nov 08, 21:12

amirite wrote:What you're saying is irrelevant - you have your playstyle, we have ours. It's obvious that this is a clearcut situation of a game feature not performing as intended. Saying it's being abused or whatever is just silly.

You're assuming the game designers intended you to to spend hours on end in the same sector (on SETA or otherwise). Persnally, I think that's unlikely to be the case, particularly given the rank degredation you suffer for extended idle.

However, if you want to play the game like that it's up to you (although just scripting the money in seems easier). What I don't get is; if the problem appears to be a result of a pile-up of ships in the sector you're in, so why not try a sector with few or no ships to sleep in, as Geggo suggested? Or at least no gates.

SlainteMaith · Post by **SlainteMaith** » Mon, 10. Nov 08, 15:41

You're assuming the game designers intended you to to spend hours on end in the same sector (on SETA or otherwise). Persnally, I think that's unlikely to be the case, particularly given the rank degredation you suffer for extended idle.

You're not talking sense. Whether or not the designers want you to play the game a certain way, this is still a bug. There are other, clearer ways to have someone not run SETA for hours. I can name a few without trying. 1) Don't include SETA. 2) Have a time limit. 3) Have patrols come investigate you no matter where you are to scan you and turn it off.

SETA worked without damaging FPS irreparably in X3, therefore it should work the same in X3:TC.

If the game designers hadn't wanted you to be able to do it, the program wouldn't -let- you do it.

Spending hours in the same sector: What are sector traders? The designers wrote a script to do exactly that. The game's designed to be open-ended. If the game had a script that allowed the player to insert his thumb up his rectum, that'd be by design as well.

This forum is for technical support and informing the developers of bugs. If you're going to criticize play-style, please use a different forum.

NUKLEAR-SLUG · Post by **NUKLEAR-SLUG** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 06:47

1. That would do it but the universe being quite large that would severely slow down gameplay. Some sectors can take several minutes to cross realtime. Seta exists for gameplay reasons.

2. There is a time limit. Egosoft hard-coded one to hurt your ranking specifically to discourage this kind of action.

3. They do, and people attempt to circumvent this by parking themselves in the most obscure place they can find or leaving a weight on the J key.

Just because the program allows you to do something does not mean that was the way the programmers planned it. By your argument Egosoft purposefully coding the game to negatively affect those who abuse seta clearly indicates that it is NOT something the designers wanted you to be doing.

The OP is claiming that his play-style is having the observed affect and that when he doesn't engage in the activity it plays as normal. Therefore the solution to the problem in his case is clearly to stop abusing a game mechanic.

(----____JEFF____----)

I think the developers would have put in another way of preventing SETA over usage, instead of the slowdowns. I mean, it might not be intended for long usage, but it should still work. If they really want to stop you they would think of something else, like SlainteMaith said.

@ Baleur: You are kinda saying 2 things here 1) If I go OOS nothing is going on 2) I now permanently have low fps. So unless you are spending days on end in one sector you should not have low fps because of the collision detection.
You also say that if you go to another sector you have to wait a while. OOS there is no collision detection, so your fps should be good instantly when going to anther sector.
That said the programming could be to blame, I think that the heavy usage of SETA queues up a huge load of commands. They all need to be executed, but that could take a while. That could explain why your fps takes a while to return to normal when you go to another sector.

Anyway did you try to SETA in an empty sector, like Geggo said?

Carlo the Curious · Post by **Carlo the Curious** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 12:50

SlainteMaith wrote:
You're assuming the game designers intended you to to spend hours on end in the same sector (on SETA or otherwise). Personally, I think that's unlikely to be the case, particularly given the rank degredation you suffer for extended idle.
You're not talking sense. Whether or not the designers want you to play the game a certain way, this is still a bug. There are other, clearer ways to have someone not run SETA for hours. I can name a few without trying. 1) Don't include SETA. 2) Have a time limit. 3) Have patrols come investigate you no matter where you are to scan you and turn it off.

Which bit makes no sense to you? You think rank decay is a bug?

Spending hours in the same sector: What are sector traders? The designers wrote a script to do exactly that.

Which is relevant how, exactly? That's not the player ship.

This forum is for technical support and informing the developers of bugs. If you're going to criticize play-style, please use a different forum.

Carlo the Curious wrote:However, if you want to play the game like that it's up to you (although just scripting the money in seems easier). What I don't get is; if the problem appears to be a result of a pile-up of ships in the sector you're in, so why not try a sector with few or no ships to sleep in, as Geggo suggested? Or at least no gates.

Oh, guess I wasn't criticising your play-style then.

If you're unwilling to try the suggested work-around, then that's up to you.

SlainteMaith · Post by **SlainteMaith** » Wed, 12. Nov 08, 22:20

Filth Hounds of Hades.

Which bit makes no sense to you? You think rank decay is a bug?

Rank Decay is obviously not a bug. And that's fine. I'll gladly suffer rank degradation with combat. My universe traders will keep in tight with all the other races. Just because the game allows weapons doesn't mean I have to use them. Or does that mean I'm not playing the game as the developers intend?

Which is relevant how, exactly? That's not the player ship.

It's a ship doing exactly what you described.

If you're unwilling to try the suggested work-around, then that's up to you.

From what I understand, the suggested work-around is "Don't Use SETA overnight." This is silly.

Here's the thing: I'll try to say this again, since you didn't seem to get it the first time.
Whether the developers want you to use SETA overnight or not is irrelevant; as it is now the program slows down when you use it for extended periods of time. The program also slows down if you have a marathon play-session and only use SETA to hasten travel from A to B.
This is a bug. This is why testers 'Soak Test' games-- (leaving them running when they go home) to see if they're stable enough still to be running (and at the same speed) when they come back the next day.

You imply that these FPS slowdowns are not only intended by the developers--or at the very least feel they're not responsible for fixing them--and that someone who would want to leave SETA on overnight is immoral because they're cheating somehow and not playing the same way you are. I leave things running on SETA overnight precisely because I do not want to cheat in money--but I also don't feel I should have to babysit my traders. (And as it turns out, I have to babysit them often enough what with pirates, other traders underselling, and general randomness)

If this is indeed what you're saying, I think this is nonsense, and doesn't help the developers at all to address the problems that many people here are outlining.

Here's a similar scenario using your logic: Someone has a bug while doing something non-plot related. The developers made a plot for the game. The person wasn't doing anything relating to the plot, therefore it's the player's fault and the developers aren't responsible for fixing the bug because the player wasn't playing the game as the developers intended.

See? I can be silly too.

Carlo the Curious · Post by **Carlo the Curious** » Wed, 12. Nov 08, 23:17

SlainteMaith wrote:
Which bit makes no sense to you? You think rank decay is a bug?
Rank Decay is obviously not a bug. And that's fine. I'll gladly suffer rank degradation with combat. My universe traders will keep in tight with all the other races. Just because the game allows weapons doesn't mean I have to use them. Or does that mean I'm not playing the game as the developers intend?

My point was that rank decay would seem to indicate the designers didn't want the player spending long periods of time doing nothing. Otherwise why did they implement it?

Nowhere have I said you can't play the game however you want to. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Which is relevant how, exactly? That's not the player ship.
It's a ship doing exactly what you described.

No, it's not.

Perhaps I wasn't clear, but the issue Baleur is describing is a result of the player ship spending a lot of time in one sector - that's nothing to do with sector traders or anything else that's happening OOS.

If you're unwilling to try the suggested work-around, then that's up to you.
From what I understand, the suggested work-around is "Don't Use SETA overnight." This is silly.

For the third time (or fifth, if you count the other two posts suggesting it):

if the problem appears to be a result of a pile-up of ships in the sector you're in, so why not try a sector with few or no ships to sleep in, as Geggo suggested? Or at least no gates.

Here's the thing: I'll try to say this again, since you didn't seem to get it the first time. Whether the developers want you to use SETA overnight or not is irrelevant; as it is now the program slows down when you use it for extended periods of time. The program also slows down if you have a marathon play-session and only use SETA to hasten travel from A to B.
This is a bug. This is why testers 'Soak Test' games-- (leaving them running when they go home) to see if they're stable enough still to be running (and at the same speed) when they come back the next day.

Here's the thing - what you describe is not the issue Baleur describes in the OP, which is what I was discussing.

You imply that these FPS slowdowns are not only intended by the developers--or at the very least feel they're not responsible for fixing them--and that someone who would want to leave SETA on overnight is immoral because they're cheating somehow and not playing the same way you are.

Where did I imply that?

I leave things running on SETA overnight precisely because I do not want to cheat in money--but I also don't feel I should have to babysit my traders. (And as it turns out, I have to babysit them often enough what with pirates, other traders underselling, and general randomness)

Feel free, as I already said.

If this is indeed what you're saying, I think this is nonsense, and doesn't help the developers at all to address the problems that many people here are outlining.

Again, I'm not sure where you've got the impression I'm saying fps slowdowns are deliberate.

Here's a similar scenario using your logic: Someone has a bug while doing something non-plot related. The developers made a plot for the game. The person wasn't doing anything relating to the plot, therefore it's the player's fault and the developers aren't responsible for fixing the bug because the player wasn't playing the game as the developers intended.

Frankly, I've no idea what you mean by this, but I've never said anything of the sort.

amirite · Post by **amirite** » Wed, 12. Nov 08, 23:37

Can we not argue over semantics like who is using what logic. This is a topic worth talking about but its getting personal and thats dumb.

One thing about rank decay: it makes total sense that, after a long period of time without combat, your combat skills would go down. The EXACT SAME THING happens when you go for a long period without trading. It makes perfect real-world sense and THAT is the intended purpose of the mechanic. It serves as a balancing mechanism, which also happens to apply to the extended SETA stuff. The developers probably realize this, and I think we can all agree that it is a good side-effect of this gameplay mechanic.

If it were the main intention, it would still be a dumb design decision on Egosoft's part. What a vague and uninformative warning that would be.

Its also safe to say that the FPS drop is NOT INTENDED by the deveopers. We seem to all agree on that one as well. It's an imperfection in the engine, and is therefore a bug.

This really is a playstyle issue. I work a lot and don't have time to be playing X3 all the time so when I get a chance to, I like to have options available, not finding myself inside a Nova.