[TC] Going To War With The Paranid [MINI GUIDE] - Updated

kreep69 · Post by **kreep69** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 08:25

I tried starting a chart to figure this out but realized its a huge effort so abandoned it for now.

Which race has only a few unique items that you can buy the factories for or get said items from a race that they are not friends with?

Is there an easy answer to this?

[SOLVED] The answers and resulting guide are down below a few posts.

AgamemnonArgon · Post by **AgamemnonArgon** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 08:28

Paranid have sole rights to the Tractor Beam, so a factory would be needed from them, and somewhere safe where thet could not reach it.

Technojerk36 · Post by **Technojerk36** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 08:37

Yeah, buy a tractor beam fab and place it in the Earth sector. No Paranid problems at all

AgamemnonArgon · Post by **AgamemnonArgon** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 08:59

Please also remember to buy the factories for Soja or whatever the factory needs....to produce it's products. Also stock up on ships if you need any from the Paranid first.

kreep69 · Post by **kreep69** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 11:35

Well I'm all for the Paranid being the target race but I'm sure theres more too it than that .. a tractor beam factory, soyery and soyfarm can't be all there is to it.

Off the top of my head you at least need a Space Jewellery and Snail Ranch so you can get Majaglit (which is a resource for some other races factory cant remember which).

Also Paranid are the only ones that have Hornet missles (which also needs Soja Husk).

Does anyone else know what else is unique to Paranid?

Will the Split (or anyone else) get mad if you kill Paranids in their sectors?

SIMON POPPLEWELL · Post by **SIMON POPPLEWELL** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 16:52

Will the Split (or anyone else) get mad if you kill Paranids in their sectors?

The Split, Boron and Teladi won't like it if you attack Paranid ships in their space, but the Argon won't mind.

Off the top of my head you at least need a Space Jewellery and Snail Ranch so you can get Majaglit (which is a resource for some other races factory cant remember which).

Majaglit is used for Sat factories, also worth mentioning that Paranid and Split are the only races that produce 25mj shields.

Technojerk36 · Post by **Technojerk36** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 17:05

Oh and the Fragmentation Bomb Launcher Forge is also unique to the Paranid. (Not that anyone uses those pieces of trash

)

Sam L.R. Griffiths · Post by **Sam L.R. Griffiths** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 18:19

According to Xadrian (and not necessarily complete - I only included end products I thought were noteable)

ABEPST : Ore, Silicon, Crystals, Energy Cells
AB-PST : Quantum Tubes, Microchips, Computer Components, Warheads, Flail Barrage Missile, Hammer Heavy Torpedo, Tommahawk Heavy Missile
AB-PS- : PPC
AB-P-- : PAC
AB--ST : Nav. Relay Sat, IRE
AB---T : Mosquito
AB---- : 200MJ
A--PST : HEPT, Low Yield Side Arms
A--PS- : Wasp, Laser Tower, Adv. Sat.
A--P-T : CIG
A--P-- : 2GJ
A---ST : Silkworm
A---S- : MD Ammo, Fighter Drone, Fighter Drone Mk. II
A----T : 1MJ
A----- : CFAA, PRG, Firefly, Firestorm, Cloth Rimes, Space Fuel
-B--S- : Dragonfly, 1GJ
-B---T : Cyclone
-B---- : IonC, IonD, IPG, Tempest, Tracker Mine, Recon Drone
--E--- : (Not all Terran kit can be built - Ghoul Missile, MAML Ammo, and Spectre Missiles being the most noteable exceptions)
---PST : Squash Mines
---PS- : 25MJ
---P-T : MDS, 5MJ
---P-- : TB, PSG, FBL, Aurora, Hornet, Hurricane, Majaglit
----S- : PBE, MD, ISR, Thunderbolt, Tornado, Ion Mine, Massom Powder, Rastar Oil, Disintergrator Rifles
-----T : FAA, GC, GC Ammo, EBC, EBC Ammo, Typhoon, Freight Drone, Teladianium, Space Weed

Edit #1
In case the above looks like gobbldigook to you here is a quick guide:-

A????? = Argon
?B???? = Boron
??E??? = Terran
???P?? = Paranid
????S? = Split
?????T = Teladi

So for example if the code is AB---T then only the Argon, Boron, and Teladi build factories for the product(s).

Technojerk36 · Post by **Technojerk36** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 18:42

Now that is a useful list.

fairywhipper · Post by **fairywhipper** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 18:50

aurora missles
psg
tractor beam
space jewellery(snails)
hornet missle
hurricane missle
frag bomb launchers

if you can live without it, or get the factories first.

benefits
can cap hyperion, argemenan etc argon, yaki, dukes will love you.

against
1 hub mission, needs paranid. they are tougth

kill the 3 eyes, steal their tech.

Technojerk36 · Post by **Technojerk36** » Sat, 27. Feb 10, 19:14

fairywhipper wrote:against
1 hub mission, needs paranid. they are tougth

I would complete all the plots before going to war with a major race; just to be safe.

kreep69 · Post by **kreep69** » Sun, 28. Feb 10, 00:48

Awesome advice ... thank you to all that responded. I knew the info was out here somewhere. The plots are all done (except for PHQ) so in preparation of going hostile on those Paranid (they deserve it for being snooty and causing the problems with the kha'ak) and as a guide to anyone who looks for this in the future ...

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Going To War With The Paranid (MINI GUIDE)

Wares and Factories -
aurora missles
hornet missles
hurricane missles
fbl
psg
tractor beam
space jewellery (majaglit)
soyery (soja husk)
snail ranch (maja snails)
soyfarm (soja beans)

Benefits -
cap hyperion and agamemnon
can pound on paranid (just not in split, boron, or teladi space without losing rep)
argon, yaki, dukes will love you
^ that is just perfect b/c i want to do dukes missions and make friends with the yaki (role reversal)

Negatives -
1 hub mission, needs paranid
^ not sure about this one, which mission is it (im just waiting on microchips to finish)

Misc -
Roger L.S. Griffiths referred to Xadrian .. you may want to refer to it for a complete list but I think he caught all the important stuff (Thanks Again!)
Line items from RG's list where Paranid are only other source of ware - 2GJ, 25MJ (Simon P. mentioned)
====================

Anything else to mention, add, subtract? Please respond, thanks.

kreep69 · Post by **kreep69** » Sun, 28. Feb 10, 03:46

So before jumping into this, one of the benefits is supposedly that you can pound on the paranid but just not in split, boron, or teladi space without losing rep.

Does this mean that all the complexes with defense I have spread out in split and teladi (mainly) space will get attacked by any Paranid that are passing through when they hate me and that I will lose rep with either the split or teladi?

Or do the paranid only attack you if you are in their sectors? I've never tried this before so need some more advice, thanks.

Cross Reference - Answer is here

EphemeralDeception · Post by **EphemeralDeception** » Wed, 3. Mar 10, 11:08

This is a great guide as I plan to do similar and am waiting until I have PHQ. I already have a few hyperions, Aggys and Oddies procured in any case

I started as poisoned paranid and am planning a kind of revenge.

Basically I am currently best of pals with paranid but have been gradually weakening their economy. I eventually plan to destroy all Silicon and ore mines they have and then get a virtual monopoly on supply. The Sultan of Silicon and the Oligarch of ore

So far I became friends doing sector patrols and was quite happy to 'allow' enemy captials to take out silicon and ore mines along the way.....mawahhahahah.

What I am not sure about is after I have waged war I want to be able to start selling again and I think this can be done by taking missions in non paranid sectors from paranid race members of the station offering the mission. Will this work?

Also if I have ore and silicon plexes adjacent to Paranid sectors will their traders come and buy and I will get rep?

Note: It would great if the size of the military fleet of a major race was related and capped to its current economy capabilities (based on number of stations and overall trade). This would be something that the devs could do without interface changes but not sure if a mod can do this. It would allow you to really impact any race in a positive or negative way via conflict and station building missions

kreep69 · Post by **kreep69** » Wed, 3. Mar 10, 14:49

EphemeralDeception wrote:What I am not sure about is after I have waged war I want to be able to start selling again and I think this can be done by taking missions in non paranid sectors from paranid race members of the station offering the mission. Will this work?

Also if I have ore and silicon plexes adjacent to Paranid sectors will their traders come and buy and I will get rep?

First off I just want to say what you're planning (and how you're playing) is totally wrong and evil ... I like it a lot

.

To answer your questions .. if you totally destroy your rep with a race you can just fly around their border sectors and take missions and it will build back quickly in X3TC. I don't plan to ever make friends with those snobby, Kha'ak troubling Paranid again but who knows.

I am inferring the answer to your second question from what I've experienced (maybe someone else can confirm) but once you reach certain level of positive reputation with a race their traders will trade with your stations and you will get rep that way.

One part I'm not sure about is .. will traders of a race you are very low rep (enemies) with trade with your factories while youre their enemy (assuming you have them set to friend in the station) or do you have to achieve a certain positive rep first?

Kapakio · Post by **Kapakio** » Wed, 3. Mar 10, 16:42

Roger L.S. Griffiths wrote:**stuff**
So for example if the code is AB---T then only the Argon, Boron, and Teladi build factories for the product(s).

Well, that's not entirely correct. In fact this list shows which factories you are able to buy from each respective race. But there are race's complexes that produce some products that normally are specific to a race.

For example, there are small, medium and large shield complexes that produce all kind of shields in all races sectors. Also the high yield complexes that sell hornets and firestorms in several (if not all) races, etc.

BigMistake · Post by **BigMistake** » Wed, 3. Mar 10, 17:46

I plan on going to war with the 3-eyed {profane insult here} but as of yet I still *shutters* need them for the hub plot. Once they are no longer of use to me, I will finally wipe the plague that is the Paranid from the face of the x-verse.

So, I come to my question... I have a couple large complexes in Rhy's Desire (Split Space), will I end up going to war with the Split as well if I want to keep my complexes?

I do have a complexes in Paranid space but I plan to use that sector as my foothold/fortress for the war that is to come.

{Warning contains humor that may be seen in bad taste to others, please note I am only making a joke and do not intend to offend anyone. If I do, I am very sorry.}
Oh, and I do have a solution to my problems... it is a final one. lol

Good Hunting

fairywhipper · Post by **fairywhipper** » Wed, 3. Mar 10, 18:01

problems with traders your at war with:
your security will shoot them on site, or they will sometimes shoot you, in which case, your security should shoot them. local police do not like shooting war, so you could get into trouble..... worst case, the traders call in reinforcements and spawn a m2 attack fleet. great if your in alanda hill, argon prime.... not good in split area(but not by much). teladi and boron dont care...

kreep69 · Post by **kreep69** » Wed, 3. Mar 10, 19:43

BigMistake wrote:So, I come to my question... I have a couple large complexes in Rhy's Desire (Split Space), will I end up going to war with the Split as well if I want to keep my complexes?

Yes, from what I heard in another thread (not confirmed personally yet but I think its correct) what fairywhipper says is right. Basically if you're at war in the Paranid, you can kill and pirate them (and defend your property) to your hearts content in Argon, Teladi, and Boron sectors but you may have to reconsider your actions for Split Space.

The one thing I can not determine is if Paranid traders and escorts will even approach your property in other race sectors if you have them set to 'Enemy' for that complex/station to wonder if this is a problem. I guess I'll find out and then post back when I do (I have a few complexes in Split Space that see a lot of Paranid traffic but we may be able to use the HUB to minimize that).

Reimu Hakurei · Post by **Reimu Hakurei** » Thu, 4. Mar 10, 04:53

Roger, you have MD listed as being Split-built only.
It's an Argon weapon, they build it too.

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[TC] Going To War With The Paranid [MINI GUIDE] - Updated

Going To War With The Paranid [MINI GUIDE] - Updated