[X3TC] Would you buy an Paranid M6 Nemesis?

[JAFA_NZ]

& if so, presuming it's for a reason other than "they're the only ones who like me enough to sell me an M6", why?

I did a comparison in the X3 Models viewer, & I must be missing something, because other than looks, I don't see what it has going for it, & I prefer the appearance of the Hydra & Dragon anyway...

So, enlighten me please?

[Tormbo]

I don't really like any 'basic' M6's. Go for the Heavy counterparts for better turret coverage and power, which WILL save your behind when dealing with a swarm of fighters.

[pjknibbs]

Given a choice between a Hydra and a Nemesis I'd take the latter, but that's because I hate Hydras! Mind you, I'd take a Skiron over either, and in my current game I'm rather liking my Katana. I'm sure there are people out there who simply like the Nemesis due to its looks, or the way it flies, or what-have-you...you can't rely on raw numbers to make a comparison like this.

[Rogue]

I do quite like the appearance of the nemesis. It's got that whole Scarab thing going.

But I'd rather have a Heavy Variant of any of the M6's. HCP has to be my favourite lookswise atm, that and the Heavy Hydra.

and like Mr Knibbs I hate normal hydras so if it was one or t'other I'd go Nemesis every time.

[Lapo]

I hate its look, it is a giant space roach.
Buy it anyway. You will have a use for it, much much later into the game, so it won't go to waste once you move to a bigger toy.

[Alan Phipps]

Give a Nemesis a Tractor Beam and it is a great utility Tug for moving stations, mines and damaged/slow big ships around without really missing that ship as a fighting asset or being able to sell it for lots of credits.

The Nemesis is also one of the easiest M6 to board and capture by spacewalk because of its poor turret allocation and its tendency to circle pretty uselessly around a static or reversing target.

[JAFA_NZ]

So the consensus appears to be "No" then.

Righto, thank you for your help one & all.

[Thorien Kell]

I like the looks of that ship but it has only one turret, only 11.5 k laser energy, and only 600 cargo space. Her stats are unimpressive to say at least (but that's true for all light corvettes).

This game does not treat light corvettes fairly, their heavy brethren are just superior in every way possible. They should turn faster and fly a bit faster to be interesting for player.

[Lapo]

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Do the Terran plot, and you will get the best offensive m6 for free, as well as access to purchase the fastest m6 on the game.

[Thorien Kell]

Yeah yeah, been there done that (see my sig?)

I dislike terran vessels, they are overpowered, ugly and have limited weaponry.

Besides, SB has that guns so far low mounted on those gondolas, yesterday i tried to kill some slow and dull M8, it was right in front of me, taking half a screen and my sustained MAML burst just keep hitting empty space below the guy. I couldn't believe my eyes, what a disappointment after my tightly mounted CIGs on my dear old Skiron. They would rip him to shreds in a blink of an eye.

But SB is very practical for quick missions, strolling around galaxy and doing/finding stuff/collecting items and checking out things. Finally some ship to nail all those silly missions with 10 min. limitation (eat THIS suckers!) But I would take many other M6 to fight b4 SB.

[Master of the Blade]

I'd say there's nothing wrong with the Nemesis as such - it's nice and flat, as powerful as the next standard M6 and looks cool. However, you can't rely on the turret for anything more than missile defence, and you've got to limit your payload of ammo/missiles due to the small freight space which you need to use for jumpfuel.

Something like the Centaur would be better if you want the toughness of the Nemesis, the Hydra if you like speeding around firing loads of missiles, and Dragon if you want to dogfight. The Nemesis suffers because it is an unspecialised ship with a detrimental trait of a specialised ship. (low cargo)

[Lapo]

Yeah yeah, been there done that (see my sig?)

I meant the comment for the OP. Since he is at the point where he must get his first m6, he might as well get the free one.

I dislike terran vessels, they are overpowered, ugly and have limited weaponry.

I only agree on the limited weaponry and overpowered part.

[Tormbo]

Even better, be lucky with a ship retrieval mission and get a Deimos with 67% hull for free (for a bit of a rep drop though, but I never liked the Paranid anyway)

[Luciferos]

I would never pick another M6 to fight in over the Springblossom; it's the only corvette that gives you utter control over the combat situation. Only a very, very small selection of M4s and a number of M5s can outrun the Blossom, which means you can always escape from any vessel that can potentially kill you. Despite only 600MJ shielding, it's got the highest generators besides the Vali, giving more staying power. Since only the lightest craft can pursue it and it is faster than many heavy ship weapons (333...? M/s on CIG projectiles?) it's such an unfair ship in a fight.

Not to mention it can mount Starburst flak guns that 1-shot M5s....

but I agree it's an awkward boat to fly. Certainly not a big balancer to its total unfairness; I've never had issues hitting with boresight fire and auto aim on any craft.

It's definitely not the prettiest M6, but that doesn't explain why it's about 20mil cheaper than it should be in vanilla...

[patient zero]

I saw a Nemesis killed by a Pirate Harrier, so I vote No.

[Alan Phipps]

There are many reasons why you might see it reported that any M6 has been killed OOS by an M5. However, if you mean you watched IS while an intact and outfitted Nemesis was destroyed by a Harrier alone then I can only surmise that it actually died of shame.

[Paladin-Solo]

Nope, i can't bring myself to use commonwealth M6s, because the vali, vidar, and katana are just that good. I don't use the the aldrin ships much because i think they're just ridiculous, i only use the springblossom as a trader, which due to its smaller cargo than TS ships makes it pretty balanced profit wise.

The Katana is my favorite, its turrets are in an amazing spot, they say right and left, but they both basically cover the entire top side of the ship front, back, right and left, lol, same goes for the Lower turret. Plus i modified EMPCs so the bullet speed is comparible to that of PACs, so they actually do their job of antifighter weapons.

[patient zero]

Yes, I was IS watching it happen. The battle lasted almost 45 minutes.

The Nemesis has very poor steering and shield generators.

[Thorien Kell]

but I agree it's an awkward boat to fly. Certainly not a big balancer to its total unfairness; I've never had issues hitting with boresight fire and auto aim on any craft.

It's definitely not the prettiest M6, but that doesn't explain why it's about 20mil cheaper than it should be in vanilla...

Agreed. It should cost 25-28 mils or have perquisite of player having M2/M1 in his fleet to being able to buy it. That would certainly be more balancing but that's rule that you can easily impose to yourself. I find speed much more useful in traveling through space doing business then in battles. I keep speed below 200 ms/ mostly otherwise it's hard to aim at anything. I rarely run away from things but that's my playstyle. It looks better on paper then in actual battle but you cant say that it isn't battleworhy ship, used properly. I kill big things easier in my vidar and i kick more little asses in my PRG/CIG equipped skiron (which is more fun to fight) but as main players ship for doing general multi role business its unsurpassed and I believe made by developers exactly for that.

[Tormbo]

Well I guess it was mainly meant to be the big reward for completing the terran plot. Unfortunately, however, the terran plot isn't all that hard or time consuming, so the reward might be somewhat overdone