[X3AP] Best IS M6 and M3
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SnappedManX6
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[X3AP] Best IS M6 and M3
What are your opinions on these? Planning to use them for war fighting to go along with me. Should be somewhat different from X3TC since there are some reworked values now.
I'm sticking with Spitfyre. Speed trumps everything, in my honest opinion. It lets you pick engagements, get to blind spots, and nothing matches the maneuverability or firepower of a spitfyre (with MA'MALs).
Actually, with turbo booster, you're going 900 m/s - and, if you learn to tap it lightly before firing, nothing trumps MAML rounds going 1300ish meters per second
With some crazy flying, you can actually dodge completely past an M2/M1s flak cover and nestle in like a minnow on a whale
Maybe I just judge M3s as if I was coming up against another player in an M3 - hmm.. what would I want? ;p
As for Hyperion - I like the Paranid, im not sure I'd want to steal one so until then - Springblossom.
Actually, with turbo booster, you're going 900 m/s - and, if you learn to tap it lightly before firing, nothing trumps MAML rounds going 1300ish meters per second
With some crazy flying, you can actually dodge completely past an M2/M1s flak cover and nestle in like a minnow on a whale
Maybe I just judge M3s as if I was coming up against another player in an M3 - hmm.. what would I want? ;p
As for Hyperion - I like the Paranid, im not sure I'd want to steal one
so until then - Springblossom.not really, the only values reworked are the hulls, everything else is pretty much the same.
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I'm still trying to figure out what is so cool about this Aamon Prototype... It doesn't look much better than Nova Prototype... Anything I miss?Vim Razz wrote:Hyperion Vanguard. Aamon Prototype. (Though sometimes I get in the mood to fly a Spitfire.)
Other than that, I found myself using Mamba Raider in absence of Advanced Mamba. Nova Prototype is OK as well. Spitfire did not bail on me just yet, otherwise it would be the choice if I can get guns. On M6, Hyperion or Springblossom.
Fenrir. Stick a turbo booster on it and you can turn the extra 75MJ(!) of shielding into enough speed to keep up with a Spitfyre, or carry around a few energy cells and you can get the speed boost without sacrificing any shielding. Plus it has an extra gun.
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SnappedManX6
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Oh, then definitely the Fenrir. It has all of the speed, shielding, maneuverabilty, and weapon energy an AI ship needs.
Weapon energy because the AI doesn't conserve it.
Maneuverability to avoid collisions and dogfight.
Shielding to absorb damage that it can't avoid.
Speed because duh. It's more than fast enough to catch up to what it needs to, but not so fast that it causes the AI to collide with objects on a regular basis. Though with the Spitfyre that can be remedied by simply not fully tuning the engine.
It also has an extra bit of cargo space for energy and missiles, but its main strength over the Spitfire is its 2x greater shielding. That's essential for the AI since it can't maneuver nearly as well as the player.
Its only downside is its price tag, but we're talking about what's good for the AI.
Weapon energy because the AI doesn't conserve it.
Maneuverability to avoid collisions and dogfight.
Shielding to absorb damage that it can't avoid.
Speed because duh. It's more than fast enough to catch up to what it needs to, but not so fast that it causes the AI to collide with objects on a regular basis. Though with the Spitfyre that can be remedied by simply not fully tuning the engine.
It also has an extra bit of cargo space for energy and missiles, but its main strength over the Spitfire is its 2x greater shielding. That's essential for the AI since it can't maneuver nearly as well as the player.
Its only downside is its price tag, but we're talking about what's good for the AI.
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+1 Fenrir for M3 general fighter.
Though the firepower of a #deca.cefa makes an incredible strike wing.
M6, depends what you're using it for exactly. For a 'Plex defence boat I'd go with Heavy Osprey - Massive shields coupled with good turrets.
For sector patrol probably the Skiron.
Though the firepower of a #deca.cefa makes an incredible strike wing.
M6, depends what you're using it for exactly. For a 'Plex defence boat I'd go with Heavy Osprey - Massive shields coupled with good turrets.
For sector patrol probably the Skiron.
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I didn't fly it yet but from the stats it has larger hull, shields, shield generator, laser generator and cargo values. It also has an additional front turret. It can also mount EMPCs.kurush wrote:I'm still trying to figure out what is so cool about this Aamon Prototype... It doesn't look much better than Nova Prototype... Anything I miss?
Forgot about the Aamon. It's overall slightly inferior to the Fenrir in terms of direct stats, but makes up for it with weapon compatibility which actually makes it a much more powerful offensive fighter. PRGs and PBGs alongside EMPCs? Yes please.
The only thing holding it back is that you can't purchase it, so you can only get one. Not very useful for building fighter wings, but it would make a nice escort for a personal M6/M7.
Once the PHQ is added to AP then we can have Aamon fighter wings, but they'll still cost more than the Fenrir in terms of construction time and logistics. A large group of Fenrirs as a primary fighter group with a smaller specialist wing of Aamons sounds like a nice combination.
The only thing holding it back is that you can't purchase it, so you can only get one. Not very useful for building fighter wings, but it would make a nice escort for a personal M6/M7.
Once the PHQ is added to AP then we can have Aamon fighter wings, but they'll still cost more than the Fenrir in terms of construction time and logistics. A large group of Fenrirs as a primary fighter group with a smaller specialist wing of Aamons sounds like a nice combination.
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Nick Northern
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Hyperion Vanguard is probably the best M6 for sure. It really has no downside. If we are talking buy-able M6, I'll go with Vidar or Springblossom.
For M3's, I like the overtuned Enhanced Kea from Tormented Teladi start, and the Yaki Tenjin. The speed on a Spitfyre is nice, but I use the Kestral as my personal ship in early game, and if I want to fight I just jump in something with more shields or missiles.
MAML's are not nearly as hard to get in AP as they are in TC. You just have to get that Terran rep up first. This is a lot harder for Argon starts than other starts though.
For M3's, I like the overtuned Enhanced Kea from Tormented Teladi start, and the Yaki Tenjin. The speed on a Spitfyre is nice, but I use the Kestral as my personal ship in early game, and if I want to fight I just jump in something with more shields or missiles.
MAML's are not nearly as hard to get in AP as they are in TC. You just have to get that Terran rep up first. This is a lot harder for Argon starts than other starts though.
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I haven't played AP yet, but assuming AI reacts the same way....
I'd chose a vidar over a Spring blossom. The AI can't use the awesome speed to it's advantage against hard targets and in the worse case scenario, it might just plain crash. The vidar does have superior shielding and slightly stronger weapons for the main guns. The SB does have flak, so I suppose if you limit how many you mount to conserve energy, you could use it for a fast anti fighter screen.
For a CW m6, a skiron is probably the easiest solution. Either that or a heavy osprey loaded with EBC. That should keep it viable for for fighting slow m4 to m6.
For a fighter/interceptor, I'd try out the fenrir or just plain old nova raiders. Both have a decent blend of speed and shielding and can mount respectable weapons.
For a heavier fighter for hard targets, falcon haulers, eclipses can work. The 200 mj shielding allow them to get close and bring a full load of HEPT or EBC to bear. Definitely not for use for furballs though.
For heavier firepower you could use #deca.cefa with PMaML as people mentioned, but you'll most likely need to limit the speed tunings to prevent them from crashing. I'm certain the #deca.cefa can survive one PPC hit, but it might take hull damage.
What is the OP flying around in I wonder though? Ships that complement his ship would be best.
I'd chose a vidar over a Spring blossom. The AI can't use the awesome speed to it's advantage against hard targets and in the worse case scenario, it might just plain crash. The vidar does have superior shielding and slightly stronger weapons for the main guns. The SB does have flak, so I suppose if you limit how many you mount to conserve energy, you could use it for a fast anti fighter screen.
For a CW m6, a skiron is probably the easiest solution. Either that or a heavy osprey loaded with EBC. That should keep it viable for for fighting slow m4 to m6.
For a fighter/interceptor, I'd try out the fenrir or just plain old nova raiders. Both have a decent blend of speed and shielding and can mount respectable weapons.
For a heavier fighter for hard targets, falcon haulers, eclipses can work. The 200 mj shielding allow them to get close and bring a full load of HEPT or EBC to bear. Definitely not for use for furballs though.
For heavier firepower you could use #deca.cefa with PMaML as people mentioned, but you'll most likely need to limit the speed tunings to prevent them from crashing. I'm certain the #deca.cefa can survive one PPC hit, but it might take hull damage.
What is the OP flying around in I wonder though? Ships that complement his ship would be best.
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Depends which Argon start you have.
If it's Peacekeeper (start in a fancy Nova at M148) you'll be shot on sight and unable to trade without a lot of work.
If it's one of the other starts; Patriot/Nostalgic/Humble Merchant/Anonymous you should be able to work through the Terran ranks quite quickly.
If it's Peacekeeper (start in a fancy Nova at M148) you'll be shot on sight and unable to trade without a lot of work.
If it's one of the other starts; Patriot/Nostalgic/Humble Merchant/Anonymous you should be able to work through the Terran ranks quite quickly.
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Cobra Mk. III Cmdr.
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