Astreus Hauler vs the M7s

[kidfusion3000]

so i wanted to check out X3's newest M7, I saved up and bought one, just to check it out and i have to say I'm a little disappointed. I mean i wasn't expecting TNBT, but i just thought the vessel a little lack luster. I'm already flying a griffon, it was my favorite personal ship in TC, the astreus has a higher top speed and can mount 2 ibls in its side turrets, which seem to be the only advantages it has, the speed isn't much of a difference, and while its head on cross section is pretty small, nice in a capital ship fight, its length is huge! It puts off less weapon energy and carries fewer fighters and has a much smaller cargo bay than my Griffon. So i ask, is the slight edge in firepower worth it? and is it really an edge if i could pack 2 more fenrir on the griffon?

As it is I'm thinking if i make a firepower upgrade it'll be the panther, even after the nerf it seems all around the best frigate since it can mount 6 ibls in its front turret,

What say you? whats the best frigate to use as a personal ship? I know these threads come through every so often, but with the release of AP I wanted to hear new opinions.

[Catra]

I know these threads come through every so often, but with the release of AP I wanted to hear new opinions.

then you will be sorta disappointed.

[greypanther]

You havn't even put the Shrike as an option! Has it then been dropped from AP?

[Jumee]

where is shrike

[kurush]

Guys! stop voting for Panther or those bastards will nerf it a bit more Can I take my vote back? I didn't think straight

[Kirlack]

where is shrike

+1

[WeriTis]

where is shrike

+1

Shrike is too frakkin slow, didn't make it to the poll in time.

[Jumee]

where is shrike

+1

Shrike is too frakkin slow, didn't make it to the poll in time.

you could overtune it you know? but I didnt I overtuned springy just for the fun of it

[WeriTis]

where is shrike

+1

Shrike is too frakkin slow, didn't make it to the poll in time.

you could overtune it you know? but I didnt I overtuned springy just for the fun of it

Why would you overtune something that is done shooting his load 10 seconds into the fight?

Nah, i am currently thinking about buying a mate for my Shrike, so he is not all alone in whatever god forsaken sector i am going to park him, or maybe to test out if two shrikes actually can kill a cpital ship in less than an hour...

[Catra]

where is shrike

+1

Shrike is too frakkin slow, didn't make it to the poll in time.

you could overtune it you know? but I didnt I overtuned springy just for the fun of it

Why would you overtune something that is done shooting his load 10 seconds into the fight?

Nah, i am currently thinking about buying a mate for my Shrike, so he is not all alone in whatever god forsaken sector i am going to park him, or maybe to test out if two shrikes actually can kill a cpital ship in less than an hour...

should really give it more than 1 crate of ammo.

[WeriTis]

where is shrike

+1

Shrike is too frakkin slow, didn't make it to the poll in time.

you could overtune it you know? but I didnt I overtuned springy just for the fun of it

Why would you overtune something that is done shooting his load 10 seconds into the fight?

Nah, i am currently thinking about buying a mate for my Shrike, so he is not all alone in whatever god forsaken sector i am going to park him, or maybe to test out if two shrikes actually can kill a cpital ship in less than an hour...

should really give it more than 1 crate of ammo.

Obviously i am talking about the smexy 8x IBL main guns, not the lame 2x2 GC. GCs alone don't feel like killing, they feel like watching something starve. Slowly.

[Jumee]

Obviously i am talking about the smexy 8x IBL main guns, not the lame 2x2 GC. GCs alone don't feel like killing, they feel like watching something starve. Slowly.

I'll break the pyramid and also 4 GC can deal a lot of damage almost infinetely being an ammo weapon and all, and you should only have 8 IBL's in main when you are facing no more than 1 frigate against capitals it is better to use something less power hungry

EDIT: also Agamemnon is a nice ship even without the stupid PSG's

[Sir Warwick]

where is shrike

+1

Shrike is too frakkin slow, didn't make it to the poll in time.

you could overtune it you know? but I didnt I overtuned springy just for the fun of it

+1 - shrike becomes a really good ship when it gets most of the tuning boxes - perfect for going on the rampage in xenon sectors.

[Nagittchi]

Why need a M7 when you have a Hyperion with PBGs and Wraith Missiles that could do the job as well =P

If you want to stick with the M7s, do the Panther or the Griffon. I havent tried the Panther AP, but the Griffon is pretty fun to ride and has a huge laser bank.

I dont know why people enjoy the Shrike as a player ship. Its so slooooooooooooooooooooooow.

[WeriTis]

Awwww. C-c-c-combo-breaking is no fun!

Well i had higher expectations for the Shrike, but his abysmal weapon generator and the hull increase make him kind of inefficient as a player ship when it comes to taking on capitals and stations, even going against 10 M3s means trouble for the Shrike.
Shrike may be a viable anti-cap firesupport escort frigate for a destroyer, though, especially when deployed in numbers. It also is painfully slow.

Guess in TC it would have been a great playership. Nice allround capabilities.

[Sterling Work]

This makes sense in universe, though. Just like dumbfire missiles, even when nor well liked by players, in-universe the dumb munitions make a big difference to the budget you have to get funding for.

The player, being special (in a sandbox game) has no such problem.

Personally, I don't use munitions because I'm a skinflint and spending 100,000 CR to take out a target that will get me a bounty of 10,000 is just an anathema to me. Guns recharge free...

[Catra]

Well i had higher expectations for the Shrike, but his abysmal weapon generator and the hull increase make him kind of inefficient as a player ship when it comes to taking on capitals and stations,

its actually alot better off against hulls than anyone else, as GC beats out PPC for hull DPS:

8x 8,200 = 65,600
4x 17,900 = 71,600

[WeriTis]

Yeah, i was referring to only the GCs firing. IBLs are out of energy after taking down the shield. Even FAA is out of energy.

[alterami]

Isn't it called Panther Raider?

[ddeflyer]

Ageir is the only one I've really used so I voted for it. The big thing for me is that I have no issue leveling xenon sectors with it, not very much can survive 100 wraiths raining down upon them. Also, things that aren't worth shooting wraiths die very very quickly from the SSC.