Mass driver vs. Capital Ships

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Mass driver vs. Capital Ships

Post by EspritFort » Fri, 24. Feb 12, 18:29

Omygoshsomuchfun.

Seriously, I'm in the late late lategame now and I thought there was nothing left but roleplaying. But I've just destroyed a lone Q in a Solano (didn't even think that was possible) and it is AMAZING. I've never had so much fun in a dogfight. I'm going to try the same in a Harrier now, it should have enough cargospace worth of ammunition to kill another Q.

Unless you have to deal with flak fire this seems entirely possible :o


Always new stuff to discover in X3, lol.
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Post by wRAR » Fri, 24. Feb 12, 18:56

TC or AP?
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Post by EspritFort » Fri, 24. Feb 12, 19:03

TC (are Mass Drivers nerfed in AP? :( )
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Post by Catra » Fri, 24. Feb 12, 19:07

sorta

10x hull strength tends to make it so you need multiple MD reloads.
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Post by DnBrn47 » Sat, 31. Mar 12, 23:25

So are these any good against Cap ships in AP or not? I'm using EBCs atm and they are good as long as I have many of them on target, though IBLs and Gauss are still a million times better.
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Post by delray » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 00:11

MD sucks. Try missiles. I can sink a Q or a Carrack in my Tenjin with Tornados like they were a Pirate Harrier.
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Post by TiGGs » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 00:30

MD are still very good against fighters. My Harrier wing of 5 can bring down M3+ very quickly. Solanos are OP and way too cheap so I don't use them. But true, capital ships in AP are a no go for mass driver fighters now.
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Post by DnBrn47 » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 00:36

TiGGs wrote:MD are still very good against fighters. My Harrier wing of 5 can bring down M3+ very quickly. Solanos are OP and way too cheap so I don't use them. But true, capital ships in AP are a no go for mass driver fighters now.
Cool, I'll stick to EBC and missile swarms then.
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Post by Triaxx2 » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 11:09

MD only sucks for those with poor piloting skills.
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Post by DnBrn47 » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 11:11

Triaxx2 wrote:MD only sucks for those with poor piloting skills.
Thanks for the insight. :shock:
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Post by delray » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 13:37

Triaxx2 wrote:MD only sucks for those with poor piloting skills.
No, it sucks objectively. The times where you'd steer into Khaak's arse to kill it from the inside are positively gone now.
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Post by ConCorDian » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 15:21

i agree, with TC mass drivers were far more deadly, the hull ratings were terrible so something that bypasses sheilds to do direct hull damage was a worth while weapon for fighters. but in AP (for all it can still be done) is not worth the hastle. the PAC is better for taking on CAPs in AP.

imo with the change in hull ratings the Mass driver needs at least 2-3x increase in damage output to make it worth using.
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Post by Virtualaughing » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 15:41

X2 Centaur vs J .... i have done it few times ;p
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Post by Gosnell » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 15:44

MD sucks. Try missiles. I can sink a Q or a Carrack in my Tenjin with Tornados like they were a Pirate Harrier.
I think your missing the point,Shooting down a capitol ship in an m4/m5 with normal guns is skill.Firing missiles from half a sector away is lacking the skill to get in and get personel. :)
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Post by TBV » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 15:51

delray wrote:The times where you'd steer into Khaak's arse to kill it from the inside are positively gone now.
:o Nooooooo.

Surely PBG and PM/AML will still work tho' right? I'm not playing AP, but I'd
hate to think they've taken such fun out the game yet again*.


* - removal of PSG from M3s a la Reunion.
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Post by delray » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 15:53

You don't even know how Tornado works, and you're trying to teach me a lesson in fighter combat? ;-)
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Post by Jumee » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 15:53

TBV wrote: Surely PBG and PM/AML will still work tho' right?
as deadly as ever* (actually the whole increase hull points thing made terran weapons a bit more viable as they have decent hull damage)

* of course battles across the board have gotten longer but relative to other weapons these two are still "kicking" :D
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Post by TBV » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 15:57

delray wrote:You don't even know how Tornado works, and you're trying to teach me a lesson in fighter combat?
What are you talking about delray?

'Cos it isn't sense.
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Post by delray » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 16:01

Was to Gosnell. Not my fault you produced 50 messages in between our fight. ;-)
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Post by TBV » Sun, 1. Apr 12, 16:03

Ah I see. Apologies. :oops:
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