Of Repair Lasers, Elastic Bands and Morals
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Of Repair Lasers, Elastic Bands and Morals
Before i upset anyone, let me point out, i'm not one of those people that trawls gameboards accusing people of cheating, its entirely up to them, a game is for enjoyment, my one rule to this is provided they then dont brag about achievements.
Personally, Ive never been concerned about the modified tag, I love some of the mods and scripts that improve the game. Personally, with regards to "cheating" (and i use the word loosely), if you overuse help, it can sometimes take enjoyment from a game..
Anyway, im off track..
My point is this..
I have an elastic band that is the perfect size to fit round my joystick trigger, and when i cap an M3 (i dont usually do it with anything larger), i will go off the ecliptic, get in my suit, set up the elastic band on the repair laser trigger, and go and get a brew, or a beer.. come back, 100% hull...
Now...the problem with this is, the repair laser is part of the vanilla game, so its not cheating...i'm not using SETA, so where's the harm?
Problem there is where do you draw the line... I could quite easily say, "well i know its just going to take 5 minutes out of my gaming, and i'm safe from harm, so i may as well just use LV cheats to reload the ships hull...
Now of course, thats considered cheating, despite the fact that all ive done is saved myself 5 or ten minutes out of my busy evening/free time..
You see where im going, where do you indeed draw the line..
This isnt a crusade, ive always tried not to spoil my own games with over use of any sort of aid (walkthroughs, cheats etc)... but where is that line in this case... just opinions really..
Personally, Ive never been concerned about the modified tag, I love some of the mods and scripts that improve the game. Personally, with regards to "cheating" (and i use the word loosely), if you overuse help, it can sometimes take enjoyment from a game..
Anyway, im off track..
My point is this..
I have an elastic band that is the perfect size to fit round my joystick trigger, and when i cap an M3 (i dont usually do it with anything larger), i will go off the ecliptic, get in my suit, set up the elastic band on the repair laser trigger, and go and get a brew, or a beer.. come back, 100% hull...
Now...the problem with this is, the repair laser is part of the vanilla game, so its not cheating...i'm not using SETA, so where's the harm?
Problem there is where do you draw the line... I could quite easily say, "well i know its just going to take 5 minutes out of my gaming, and i'm safe from harm, so i may as well just use LV cheats to reload the ships hull...
Now of course, thats considered cheating, despite the fact that all ive done is saved myself 5 or ten minutes out of my busy evening/free time..
You see where im going, where do you indeed draw the line..
This isnt a crusade, ive always tried not to spoil my own games with over use of any sort of aid (walkthroughs, cheats etc)... but where is that line in this case... just opinions really..
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And where's the issue?
I've repaired my 3 'stolen' Cobras that way. It felt like it's more worth than letting them dock at some shipyard and pay the money for, which is made in almost no time anyways.
I've repaired my 3 'stolen' Cobras that way. It felt like it's more worth than letting them dock at some shipyard and pay the money for, which is made in almost no time anyways.
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Using the repair-laser in Vanilla games is not cheating, everybody knows. But if you do it excessively, the game will 'punish' you: Your fight-rank will go down considerably.
I have repaired my second Aran manually (and without SETA ), my rubber-band was a letter-opener (is that the word ?) stuck in the keyboard. This adventure of about 8 hours took me down from EXTREME in fighting down about 40 %. I needed several Xenon invasions (ans more than 8 hours of fighting ...) to get back to Extreme fighting rank.
I have repaired my second Aran manually (and without SETA ), my rubber-band was a letter-opener (is that the word ?) stuck in the keyboard. This adventure of about 8 hours took me down from EXTREME in fighting down about 40 %. I needed several Xenon invasions (ans more than 8 hours of fighting ...) to get back to Extreme fighting rank.
I don't really worry about my fight rank, but instead of cheating to just reload the hull and shields, I prefer to have a ship which can mount repair lasers do the repairing instead. It's less of a cheat, and I don't have to leave my space suit covered rear hanging out for anyone to take a cheap shot at.
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There is no cheating in a single player game, regardless which action is involved, as there's no direct competition in a single player game.
If you compete against a human being playing in the same game, there's direct competition and the need to have the same chances for both opponents. This applies to multiplayer games, but not to single player games. People tend to mix both, without realising that there's a clear distinction. What'd you loose if you repair your ships by using a "cheat" script? Nothing, the only consequence may be that you're spoiling your own fun.
To me, the repair laser in its current form from the vanilla game is an inbuild cheat in my games. I don't use it at all. Look at it from a different angle... how believable would it be that a tiny astronaut with a pimped blowtorch could repair a ship like the aran or any other M2, even if you let him repair it overnight ? Considering that it takes almost a mans life to setup a Hotrod like Tim Allen in his garage ... Would the scenario be believable that you repair a Ray/Python/whatever in your spacesuit? Probably not, even if the game is "punishing" me for this. Instead of this, i can imagine that a ship in an advanced shipyard can be repaired in minutes, considering the advanced technologies in robotics and others. Paying to get my ship repaired is ok for me, in MY game, repairing it in a tiny spacesuit is not.
Now, do i loose only a tiny bit, if i see zazie is considering the repair laser as not cheating? No, because it's only my kind to enjoy a game. I do NOT compete against him. There's no prize to win, there's no test to write. If he would play in the same game, probably online, i'd be in, it'd be different. But we're not. Everyone is free to enjoy whichever cheat he prefers If someone is complaining this or that is cheating, he takes the view that the game should be played only in one way, and everything else is wrong. I'd call this narrow minded . Seeing all these online achievements popping up, you can tell where this comes from. It's kind of artificial competition for single player games. From the medals here on the forum to the steam achievements. But who cares, is the one that has only gold medals really a "better" player than you're? Probably not. A single player game is meant to entertain a single person, and there's no need to compete, there's no achievement. The only real achievement you can ever get in the X series is the **modified** tag, as it tells you, that you sucessfully screwed up the game
No need to worry about "cheating". The only limit is your own fun you get out of the game.
If you compete against a human being playing in the same game, there's direct competition and the need to have the same chances for both opponents. This applies to multiplayer games, but not to single player games. People tend to mix both, without realising that there's a clear distinction. What'd you loose if you repair your ships by using a "cheat" script? Nothing, the only consequence may be that you're spoiling your own fun.
To me, the repair laser in its current form from the vanilla game is an inbuild cheat in my games. I don't use it at all. Look at it from a different angle... how believable would it be that a tiny astronaut with a pimped blowtorch could repair a ship like the aran or any other M2, even if you let him repair it overnight ? Considering that it takes almost a mans life to setup a Hotrod like Tim Allen in his garage ... Would the scenario be believable that you repair a Ray/Python/whatever in your spacesuit? Probably not, even if the game is "punishing" me for this. Instead of this, i can imagine that a ship in an advanced shipyard can be repaired in minutes, considering the advanced technologies in robotics and others. Paying to get my ship repaired is ok for me, in MY game, repairing it in a tiny spacesuit is not.
Now, do i loose only a tiny bit, if i see zazie is considering the repair laser as not cheating? No, because it's only my kind to enjoy a game. I do NOT compete against him. There's no prize to win, there's no test to write. If he would play in the same game, probably online, i'd be in, it'd be different. But we're not. Everyone is free to enjoy whichever cheat he prefers If someone is complaining this or that is cheating, he takes the view that the game should be played only in one way, and everything else is wrong. I'd call this narrow minded . Seeing all these online achievements popping up, you can tell where this comes from. It's kind of artificial competition for single player games. From the medals here on the forum to the steam achievements. But who cares, is the one that has only gold medals really a "better" player than you're? Probably not. A single player game is meant to entertain a single person, and there's no need to compete, there's no achievement. The only real achievement you can ever get in the X series is the **modified** tag, as it tells you, that you sucessfully screwed up the game
No need to worry about "cheating". The only limit is your own fun you get out of the game.
I am all about saving time.
I try to limit myself and don't repair anything above M3 with a repair laser anyway. Just fly to a dock and repair the damn thing.
BUT I do use the cheat script to give my ships a jump drive, triplex scanners and docking computers (and other, in my eyes, really necessary stuff), as I really dislike how these things are handled in X3.
You can't buy them in bulk, i.e. just store 100 jump drives in a TL and equip all your new ships with it...NOOOO they have to FLY to Terracorp HQ or the other Boron thing! Same with the other equipment...
And then these upgrades are not even expensive or anything. So I just think "what the hell, I don't have all night to micromanage my ships flying through half the galaxy so I can use them the way I want".
Same with marines. Although I only gave myself 20 starting marines and now I am training a lot of new ones to replace the dudes that fell in combat.
I try to limit myself and don't repair anything above M3 with a repair laser anyway. Just fly to a dock and repair the damn thing.
BUT I do use the cheat script to give my ships a jump drive, triplex scanners and docking computers (and other, in my eyes, really necessary stuff), as I really dislike how these things are handled in X3.
You can't buy them in bulk, i.e. just store 100 jump drives in a TL and equip all your new ships with it...NOOOO they have to FLY to Terracorp HQ or the other Boron thing! Same with the other equipment...
And then these upgrades are not even expensive or anything. So I just think "what the hell, I don't have all night to micromanage my ships flying through half the galaxy so I can use them the way I want".
Same with marines. Although I only gave myself 20 starting marines and now I am training a lot of new ones to replace the dudes that fell in combat.
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You don't need the rubber band. Use SETA while you fire the repair laser. It takes tenth of the time it would take otherwise.
Is this cheating or thinking?
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If you drop SETA from a ship you can pick it up in your spacesuit. You will lose the device when you re-enter a ship, but you could use a TM loaded with ships to supply the replacement SETA device.
Cheers guys, i was just after some opinions, i wasnt overly worried...
IMO X3TC became so much easier than X3 to gather wealth and move up to M6 M2 M1 that nothing really matters as much any more, the repetetive defend station missions where i ended up sitting in front of the gate in my Shrike with Gauss Cannons and IBL's and just blast the crap out of 10-15 M6's followed by an M2 to earn 15-20 million kind of took away the difficulty (although it took me a while to get there)..
IMO X3TC became so much easier than X3 to gather wealth and move up to M6 M2 M1 that nothing really matters as much any more, the repetetive defend station missions where i ended up sitting in front of the gate in my Shrike with Gauss Cannons and IBL's and just blast the crap out of 10-15 M6's followed by an M2 to earn 15-20 million kind of took away the difficulty (although it took me a while to get there)..
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Youre kidding me? You can use SETA in a spacesuit...am i being trolled?DrATty wrote:You don't need the rubber band. Use SETA while you fire the repair laser. It takes tenth of the time it would take otherwise.Is this cheating or thinking?SpoilerShowIf you drop SETA from a ship you can pick it up in your spacesuit. You will lose the device when you re-enter a ship, but you could use a TM loaded with ships to supply the replacement SETA device.
Besides, i already have an Elephant containing 10 Disco's with Jumpdrives, i dont wanna be carrying loads of SETA's as well...lol
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I frankly stopped giving a crap and loaded up both the repair laser x10 mod and the mobile repair mod that adds repair lasers for ships to the game. With ADS I also have engineers for repairing. I simply don't have the time or patience to vanilla repair laser my cap ships and I don't feel like paying 20 million to repair them.
Hell, before I got the mods I'd just jump away before I took hull damage as it was not worth the time it takes to repair or replace the equipment you lose for taking hull damage.
I'm not into the whole money/time sink thing, I just want to play the game and paying the face value of a ship to repair it or spending 5 hours holding down ctrl to repair it is not playing the game for me. I'd rather go run naked in the middle of the freeway during peak hours.
Hell, before I got the mods I'd just jump away before I took hull damage as it was not worth the time it takes to repair or replace the equipment you lose for taking hull damage.
I'm not into the whole money/time sink thing, I just want to play the game and paying the face value of a ship to repair it or spending 5 hours holding down ctrl to repair it is not playing the game for me. I'd rather go run naked in the middle of the freeway during peak hours.
This is incorrect. The game 'punishes' you when you leave it idle for too long. Firing a laser is not being idle. In fact, it increases your hit percentage, if you look in your pilot stats.zazie wrote:Using the repair-laser in Vanilla games is not cheating, everybody knows. But if you do it excessively, the game will 'punish' you: Your fight-rank will go down considerably. ...
And with that image in mind, I think we're all very glad that you use repair mods.DnBrn47 wrote:.... I'd rather go run naked in the middle of the freeway during peak hours.
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Don't you have to jam a button to make RL work? If so, rank degradation should not happen. In any case, I hacked in some RL into my vanilla game a while ago and I found that I barely use them. Repairing on a shipyard is so much faster.zazie wrote:Using the repair-laser in Vanilla games is not cheating, everybody knows. But if you do it excessively, the game will 'punish' you: Your fight-rank will go down considerably.
I always forget that. A weapon is a weapon.
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The rubber band is great fun until someone loses an eye. Drop one from a Disco and send it off to re-equip. Everything I own has SETA. I don't want to be stuck in real-time if I can help it. I keep a few TMs loaded with equipment tasked solely with equipping ships in space. An Elephant is too slow and expensive.stg1969 wrote:Youre kidding me? You can use SETA in a spacesuit...am i being trolled?DrATty wrote:You don't need the rubber band. Use SETA while you fire the repair laser. It takes tenth of the time it would take otherwise.Is this cheating or thinking?SpoilerShowIf you drop SETA from a ship you can pick it up in your spacesuit. You will lose the device when you re-enter a ship, but you could use a TM loaded with ships to supply the replacement SETA device.
Besides, i already have an Elephant containing 10 Disco's with Jumpdrives, i dont wanna be carrying loads of SETA's as well...lol
I don't often bother repairing ships myself now. It was useful early on, and if a ship I want is too slow to get to safety because of damage I might still use it. I'm not sure if there's a reputation hit or not.