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BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 14:09

thank you for your advice
I trust you won't mind if I ignore it completely..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Vtdel4ZmY

- bit of a credibility gap here, methinks..

Grim Lock · Post by **Grim Lock** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 14:26

BugMeister wrote:thank you for your advice
I trust you won't mind if I ignore it completely..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Vtdel4ZmY

- bit of a credibility gap here, methinks..

Your free to do whatever, however I might as that an uncompromising dismissive mindset doesn't help to solve anything. And mocking for the sake of mocking is great fun, and puts a smile on my face daily to, however, also doesn't help solve anything or bring us closer to a fair compromise.

One of the biggest problems of the current global mindset, we lock ourselves in our own bubble and dismiss anything from outside that bubble so easily. Facts be damned.

For American standards i would be considered Left wing, that's ok, however, i indeed wish disccusions in politics (forum threads not so much so don't take it personally) should be about different solutions (left or right leaning) for facts! not made up bull as seems to be the predominent trend currently (it's always been a problem, but today more than ever it seems.)

RegisterMe · Post by **RegisterMe** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 16:03

Grim Lock I agree with you that by US standards MSNBC has a left wing slant to it. But that's relatively easy to account for / adjust for.

What I really, really don't understand is how the crap peddled by the likes of Fox, or even worse people like Alex Jones, doesn't get taken to pieces by the rest of the media, or academia (or, in a more European vein, by regulators). Likewise the apparent lack of facts or real analysis peddled by Fox / Breitbart et al should put people off. But for some reason it doesn't.....

./scratches head

Grim Lock · Post by **Grim Lock** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 16:21

RegisterMe wrote:Grim Lock I agree with you that by US standards MSNBC has a left wing slant to it. But that's relatively easy to account for / adjust for.

What I really, really don't understand is how the crap peddled by the likes of Fox, or even worse people like Alex Jones, doesn't get taken to pieces by the rest of the media, or academia (or, in a more European vein, by regulators). Likewise the apparent lack of facts or real analysis peddled by Fox / Breitbart et al should put people off. But for some reason it doesn't.....

./scratches head

Yeah breitbart, fox and friends, sean hanity etc, i also really don't have a very satisfactury answer to that, we don't really have that over here. On the other hand (yeah im going there hahaha) we don't have an overwelming percentage of the people going what i believe is more important that what is factually proven. It's the weakness of a society were religion is so freakin important, they're used to accepting bs with no factual basis.

clakclak · Post by **clakclak** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 16:35

RegisterMe wrote:Grim Lock I agree with you that by US standards MSNBC has a left wing slant to it. But that's relatively easy to account for / adjust for.

What I really, really don't understand is how the crap peddled by the likes of Fox, or even worse people like Alex Jones, doesn't get taken to pieces by the rest of the media, or academia (or, in a more European vein, by regulators). Likewise the apparent lack of facts or real analysis peddled by Fox / Breitbart et al should put people off. But for some reason it doesn't.....

./scratches head

At least for Alex Jones I think the answer is easy.

He tells you that everyone around you is delusional and you are the only person right in the head. You don't believe him because he makes sense, but because you can feel superior. He tells you that everyone else is a liar and knows nothing about what is really goind on, so if anyone challenges you, than you simply call them a sheeply or shill and move on.

Bishop149 · Post by **Bishop149** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 19:50

So a government shutdown then, I thought such things only happened when control of the government was split between the parties. But no, it has happened before with the same party controlling senate, the house and the Presidency . . . . . . 39 years ago.

BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 20:25

Grim Lock wrote: It's the weakness of a society were religion is so freakin important, they're used to accepting bs with no factual basis.

- a "fact" most difficult to prove and very unfair of you to mention..
- you couldn't pick an easier target if you tried..

clakclak · Post by **clakclak** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 21:48

So Trump apperently had a year long affair with a porn star shortly after marrying his current wife, than again I don't really care. It isn't illegal, only in very bad taste (if his wife didn't ok it) and I don't think anyone would be suprised to hear about Trump cheating in the first place.

Grim Lock · Post by **Grim Lock** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 21:58

BugMeister wrote:
Grim Lock wrote: It's the weakness of a society were religion is so freakin important, they're used to accepting bs with no factual basis.

- a "fact" most difficult to prove and very unfair of you to mention..
- you couldn't pick an easier target if you tried..

lol unfair?!?!?! Having zero respect for beeing an Atheist in the US is unfair. (wich is a fact, the average US citizen trusts a muslim more than an Atheist, and well we know how a lot of them think about muslims now dont we.)

And if it's an easy target, one could also say it's an obvious target and an obvious target is an obvious problem! HA!

Ugh this religion does no harm BS is indeed one of the BIG problem the US faces, and im indeed convinced that a lot of their problems find their root in their weird perception of religion and its status, with all it's consequences.

I stand by my remark, religion is something that trains people to accept stuff on "faith" not fact, and opens up a whole plethora of problems related to that. It's the mindset of belief over fact that it promotes. And well the US is one of the craziest western countries where religion is concerned.

BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 23:35

Grim Lock wrote: lol unfair?!?!?! Having zero respect for beeing an Atheist in the US is unfair. (wich is a fact, the average US citizen trusts a muslim more than an Atheist, and well we know how a lot of them think about muslims now dont we.)

And if it's an easy target, one could also say it's an obvious target and an obvious target is an obvious problem! HA!

Ugh this religion does no harm BS is indeed one of the BIG problem the US faces, and im indeed convinced that a lot of their problems find their root in their weird perception of religion and its status, with all it's consequences.

I stand by my remark, religion is something that trains people to accept stuff on "faith" not fact, and opens up a whole plethora of problems related to that. It's the mindset of belief over fact that it promotes. And well the US is one of the craziest western countries where religion is concerned.

- "We" do not agree, with your hurtful remarks about Islam..
- I guess you must have done some serious research.. (??)

Grim Lock · Post by **Grim Lock** » Sat, 20. Jan 18, 23:57

BugMeister wrote:
Grim Lock wrote: lol unfair?!?!?! Having zero respect for beeing an Atheist in the US is unfair. (wich is a fact, the average US citizen trusts a muslim more than an Atheist, and well we know how a lot of them think about muslims now dont we.)

And if it's an easy target, one could also say it's an obvious target and an obvious target is an obvious problem! HA!

Ugh this religion does no harm BS is indeed one of the BIG problem the US faces, and im indeed convinced that a lot of their problems find their root in their weird perception of religion and its status, with all it's consequences.

I stand by my remark, religion is something that trains people to accept stuff on "faith" not fact, and opens up a whole plethora of problems related to that. It's the mindset of belief over fact that it promotes. And well the US is one of the craziest western countries where religion is concerned.

- "We" do not agree, with your hurtful remarks about Islam..
- I guess you must have done some serious research.. (??)

You are not reading what im saying correctly at all, and where is this hurtfull remark about Islam? I havent made any, i regard all organized religion with the same suspicion. And i was referering to a poll done by the pew-centre wich asked who Americans trust more and less, it shows that the more religous you are the more Americans like you, with Islam beeing the least popular, however gays and atheists are at the bottom of that list, THAT is what i was pointing out..

And well again im not gonna make excuses for my opinion that religion is opening up people's mind to overriding facts with "what i believe is more important" but all religion does that, christianity, islam whatever.

But hey, Bug, im not really in a debate with you now am i, you're just throwing oneliners and vids around, im trying my best to explain my opinions using a language that's not my own, so excusee if im not as nuanced as i could be. But i guess i should stick with just mocking Trump without trying to debate how such an idiot got into power as to not offend anyone haha!

Not to worry, i had a bad flu for a couple of days wich gave me way to much time to be annoying here instead of at my work, im almost fit again, so the status quo will return here soon.

Ps: Since the mere mention of religion perhaps beeing PART of the Trump problem instantly turns this debate on it's head is in itsels proof to me that religion is as polarizing as Trump is, wich in turn reinforcces my opinion that relgion IS a serious problem.

Observe · Post by **Observe** » Sun, 21. Jan 18, 00:16

The whole religious thing is perpetually boring. Who cares what religion or non-religion someone has? The vast majority of Christians would be Muslims if they'd been born somewhere else. Likewise for Muslims. Just branches of the same tree.

One problem, is the clash of cultures that is occurring around the world. This is being brought on by refugees, social media, modern transportation and communication etc.

People who were essentially separated for thousands of years, are now presented with a "global culture" that is still being formed. Everyone is being "invaded" by someone else. Everyone's way of life, is being lost in the tide of imports. This is true for "us" as well as for "them".

Grim Lock · Post by **Grim Lock** » Sun, 21. Jan 18, 00:18

Observe you are absolutely right! And im now bored as hell!

Trump is an idiot, and America sucks for choosing him!

grimlock has left the building.

BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Sun, 21. Jan 18, 00:31

- yet more one-liners, but it has to be said..

- the divisive numbskull in the White House has the power to do so much good in the world..
- but he's wholly incompetent, and is surrounded by some real nasty silver-tongued devils,
- as far as I can see, there will be no progress made until he is ousted from office..
- he's a shoo-in for every right-wing thieving nutter in the world..

- the Republicans ought to be utterly ashamed of themselves..
- they're almost as stupid as the Conservatives in the UK..
- The NHS crumbles as Boris Johnson proposes a bridge across the channel

- I see Farage's name has come up again in the press, in connection with the Russia meddling..
- Brexit is a total farce, and is causing great consternation in Europe, as well as in the UK itself..

- both the USA and the UK are facing dire problems..
- it's high time we all started pulling together..

BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Mon, 22. Jan 18, 11:37

David Cay Johnston's new book, "It's Even Worse Than You Think", is an interesting read..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJaTSZnTFcs

- it has all the facts..

Chips · Post by **Chips** » Mon, 22. Jan 18, 12:24

RegisterMe wrote:What I really, really don't understand is how the crap peddled by the likes of Fox, or even worse people like Alex Jones, doesn't get taken to pieces by the rest of the media, or academia (or, in a more European vein, by regulators). Likewise the apparent lack of facts or real analysis peddled by Fox / Breitbart et al should put people off. But for some reason it doesn't.....

Other media organisations likely don't "take them apart" because ... they're reporting news (the other organisations). They're not there to try score points against each other; just report the news. If their opinion pieces did rip each other, they'd have no room to rip the actual politicians and actual news from around the world - let alone the absolute cluster f it'd create between media organisations; no-one likes non stop rage at each other stuff when they just want to find out what's going on.

The satirical shows do rip the crap out of Fox and so on (at least what I've seen anyway).

Why do people buy/believe it? Because it reinforces what they privately believe or reinforces their private prejudices.

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Mon, 22. Jan 18, 13:19

Trump was never the problem. He would never been elected if America had been in a proper healthy state.

But it isn't, so he was.

And like most people with mental problems do, the US is in denial that there is anything wrong.

Some cities, or parts of them at least are essentially war zones. They have a worse health care provision than many supposedly 'third world' countries. Their national level of education is appallingly bad. On the higher end of education, almost all doctoral students are foreign born, there are very few native born Americans doing Ph.Ds. Not none, but worryingly few for a nation that once placed a man on the Moon.

Oh, and the goverment is pretty much in the pocket of corporate lobbyists.

But it's the *land of the free* and *the greatest nation on the planet*.

Yeah, right.....

clakclak · Post by **clakclak** » Mon, 22. Jan 18, 13:32

Chips wrote:
RegisterMe wrote:What I really, really don't understand is how the crap peddled by the likes of Fox, or even worse people like Alex Jones, doesn't get taken to pieces by the rest of the media, or academia (or, in a more European vein, by regulators). Likewise the apparent lack of facts or real analysis peddled by Fox / Breitbart et al should put people off. But for some reason it doesn't.....
Other media organisations likely don't "take them apart" because ... they're reporting news (the other organisations). They're not there to try score points against each other; just report the news. If their opinion pieces did rip each other, they'd have no room to rip the actual politicians and actual news from around the world - let alone the absolute cluster f it'd create between media organisations; no-one likes non stop rage at each other stuff when they just want to find out what's going on.

The satirical shows do rip the crap out of Fox and so on (at least what I've seen anyway).
[...]

Indeed, but they do that to most television programs. Jon Stewart for example more or less cancelled CNN's Crossfire with his appearance on the show.

RegisterMe · Post by **RegisterMe** » Mon, 22. Jan 18, 14:30

I'm a fan of Jon Stewart, he's a smart guy.

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV2MxD779c0

pjknibbs · Post by **pjknibbs** » Mon, 22. Jan 18, 17:24

mrbadger wrote:there are very few native born Americans doing Ph.Ds. Not none, but worryingly few for a nation that once placed a man on the Moon.

In a rocket designed by a German. Just putting that out there.

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