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A bad idea Germany Edition.

Post by clakclak » Tue, 27. Jun 17, 00:42

So as some of you may have heard the G20 summit is comming up. This year it will be in Germany. But not anywhere in Germany, no they choose the worst possiable location (as suggested by Angela Merkel). Hamburg. But not just Hamburg but pretty mutch in the Karolinenviertel. Now those of you who are not that familiar with Germany may not see the problem, but I'd assume most Germans here will now already know where this is going.

The problem is that Hamburg is the Antifa and Autonomism capital of Germany and they really, really don't like the G20 (=antifa in this text for the violent parts of it). They see the fact that the summit will be held in Hamburg as an open challenge from the German government. The politicians obviously have nothing to fear because they will be protected by the police. The 20.000 police officers however who are out there in Hamburg to protect the summit will be the ones who have to deal with all this shit. Of course the Antifa would have come no matter where the meeting would have been, but choosing Hamburg will most likely increase the level of violence.

Btw as I understand it the U.S. are quite new to the concept of Antifa and their version seems to be different from ours because it is often associated with the democratic party or liberalism in American media. The German (and european) antifa is not liberal. What exactly it is they are I can not tell you, I would say it is a mix of Anarchism, Socialism and Communism. Over all they dislike pretty mutch any government, wether it is Germany, Turkey, Russia, Saudi Arabia, the U.S. or China. Here is a video from them explaining why they are against the G20 (subtitles can be turned on bottom right courner) Example from the video as to why the dislike the governments of some of the G20:
the video linked above wrote:[...]Germany starves the south of Europe with force austerity, Turkey arrests and executes thousands, in Mexico people are disapearing without at trace and the US has exhibits the worst power elites ever, Russia keeps getting more and more authoritarian and China leaves us speechless. We know of no government we would support[...]
There are really not many political groups they like. They do however cooperate with certain groups during certain actions. For example they work together with Jusos to demonstrate against Nazis (Jusos=social democratic youth orginisation belongs to Germany's second biggest party the SPD). This btw is the reason as to why the word Antifa is not really as clearly defined as one may thing, because groups like the Jusos also take part in antifacist actions, but without violence. Some of the Antifa also work with the YPG and PKK to fight against ISIS, sometimes by flying down to Syria and actively taking up arms. (Example 1;Example 2. The dude in the video is dead now btw.) Something else that distingushes the German and American Antifa at least as far as I can tell is the level of organisation and the amount of people ready to use violence.

Another problem is that not only the actually politically motivated Antifa from all over Europe will be in Hamburg, but because of all the very well made promotion for the riots that will be going on, there will be a lot of riot tourism. (examples for the promotions: Example 1. ZSK & Swiss; Example 2. Welcome to the Hell: Hamburg 2017.)

So where does this leave us? With a lot of stupidy and a lot of violence. It already started out with burning police cars and sabotaged train tracks.


Just to make this clear, I am blaming the violence on those who commit to it, but I still think it was a horriable decision to chose Hamburg as the city for the summit. It is a bit like organising a football game and only inviting hooligans.

Edit: Nevermind apprently the police are also getting in the mood: Berlin police fired from G20 preparations over ‘public sex and urinating on fences’
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Post by Jericho » Tue, 27. Jun 17, 11:41

What I don't understand (that list is huge), about the G20 (and G8 etc) is...

Who decides which number they are doing?

e.g. When they have the G8, why is it G8 and not G9? Why is it G20 and not G19? Was the 20th nation someone they really wanted? With the G8, did they look at the G9 and G10 and think "Yeah, we don't want you here."

Does the G21 nation lift their collective heads and say "Seriously? No invite again?"


Also, how long before Britain slips off any of these lists as we leave EU and lose Scotland?
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Post by X2-Illuminatus » Tue, 27. Jun 17, 18:05

Jericho wrote:Who decides which number they are doing?
Those numbers and groups are informal constellations. That means somewhen those countries simply decided to meet each other under certain circumstances or for certain reasons, and as they did it then every year these meetings somewhat became popular. Of course, it helped a lot that for the first years, these were really the greatest industry nations in the world. Initially the G6 (USA, GB, Germany, France, Italy and Japan), then the G7 with Canada, and the G8 with Russia. Whereby Russia was removed a couple of years ago again.
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Post by The Q » Tue, 27. Jun 17, 23:02

I honestly don't think it matters much which of the cities in Germany they pick for the G20 meeting. Obviously, they will have to choose a place with the appropriate infrastructure being avaible to support such an event, so it will most-likely be a big city. Good infrastructure means also the opponents will be able to profit from it. Whether they live their already or not, doesn’t matter then. Besides the incendiary attack from ~ two weeks ago shows that the location doesn’t matter. As targets were located in different cities (not just Hamburg).
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Post by Cpt.Jericho » Wed, 28. Jun 17, 00:07

Infrastructure is of minor importance if you ask me. Or do you think them leaders have to take the bus to the meeting? Broadband internet may be an issue in some places - but what are satelites for? As for food, there are plenty of spaces where helicopters could land.
But then again, I'm one of those who think those 20 "leaders" and their entourage should meet in rubber boats on some remote ocean.
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Post by silenced » Wed, 28. Jun 17, 01:58

Would have been better to hold the G20 in Bonn, the 'slum' of Germany. =) But I think that may have started a civil war ...
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Post by clakclak » Wed, 28. Jun 17, 09:59

silenced wrote:Would have been better to hold the G20 in Bonn, the 'slum' of Germany. =) But I think that may have started a civil war ...
Bonn is the slum? I was there the last two weekends honstly looks and feels like a big village and not like a city.
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Post by The Q » Wed, 28. Jun 17, 12:58

Cpt.Jericho wrote:Infrastructure is of minor importance if you ask me. Or do you think them leaders have to take the bus to the meeting? Broadband internet may be an issue in some places - but what are satelites for? As for food, there are plenty of spaces where helicopters could land.
Infrastructure does not only mean public transport, you know. ;) It includes hotels for the delegations, police officers, the press, the telecommunication infrastructure, and the complete traffic system.
For the G7 meeting in Elmenau, Bayern, in 2015, the German Taxpayers Federation (Bund der Steuerzahler) estimated costs of around 360 million €, while estimations for the G20 meeting speak of 400 million €, although a lot more people will attend the event. Having to rely on broadband internet via satellites and delivering food via helicopters would certainly increase the costs.
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Post by silenced » Thu, 29. Jun 17, 07:40

clakclak wrote:
silenced wrote:Would have been better to hold the G20 in Bonn, the 'slum' of Germany. =) But I think that may have started a civil war ...
Bonn is the slum? I was there the last two weekends honstly looks and feels like a big village and not like a city.
Well ... parts of the cities are no longer controlled by the state or police forces, driving through the wrong street can go wrong, being on foot alone as a woman = close to suicide. Welcome to Bonn!

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Post by clakclak » Thu, 29. Jun 17, 14:03

silenced wrote:
clakclak wrote:
silenced wrote:Would have been better to hold the G20 in Bonn, the 'slum' of Germany. =) But I think that may have started a civil war ...
Bonn is the slum? I was there the last two weekends honstly looks and feels like a big village and not like a city.
Well ... parts of the cities are no longer controlled by the state or police forces, driving through the wrong street can go wrong, being on foot alone as a woman = close to suicide. Welcome to Bonn!

No, that's not a joke.
You are that is not joke, just nonsense.
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Post by Antilogic » Thu, 29. Jun 17, 14:12

silenced wrote:
clakclak wrote:
silenced wrote:Would have been better to hold the G20 in Bonn, the 'slum' of Germany. =) But I think that may have started a civil war ...
Bonn is the slum? I was there the last two weekends honstly looks and feels like a big village and not like a city.
Well ... parts of the cities are no longer controlled by the state or police forces, driving through the wrong street can go wrong, being on foot alone as a woman = close to suicide. Welcome to Bonn!

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Post by clakclak » Fri, 7. Jul 17, 03:09

After night number 1 with some of the more problematic demonstrations (this one today had the official name "Welcome to Hell") lets see what happend:

- 74 police officers injured+an unamed number of injured G20 opponents
- 2 police pilots suffered eye injuries from laser pointers
- 10 to 20 people got arrested
- a few burned out cars and dustbins


Over all a lot more harmless than everyone assumed it would be.

There were some fights non the less.
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