Doom then. Always doom.
I think there are lots of people who want the new films to fail just so they'd be right.
But then where would we be?
Left with a bunch of increasingly old movies that no young person would watch on their own, and the awful prequels.
Lucas wasn't going to make any more, probably because he couldn't, his most recent efforts were awful and he had to know it, even if no-one dared tell him at the time.
Star Wars - The Last Jedi (may contain spoilers)
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I quite liked the premise of the Episodes 1-3, but when watching it again a few years back.... Christ, the dialogue. It's so cringe worthy. That's the worst part, but not the only part (e.g. some characters were awful, excessive cgi, oddities of irrelevance).
For me, I need to watch all the new ones again as I've only seen them in the cinema.
For me, I need to watch all the new ones again as I've only seen them in the cinema.
I think I've said this before, but the biggest problem with the prequels wasn't the script (though that was pretty abysmal). Lucas had taken movies with awful scripts and made them into good movies (that's the classic movies).
No, the biggest problem was that Lucas edited the movie he made himself. The bones of good movies are there, terrible lines or not. But some scenes are over long, others are glossed over too quickly. The pacing is off all over the place.
The classic trilogy was edited by someone else - someone with no emotional connection to the scenes that had been filmed. But Lucas decided that the part of the movie-making process he really enjoyed was editing the final film together, and in retrospect that's something he really wasn't all that good at.
No, the biggest problem was that Lucas edited the movie he made himself. The bones of good movies are there, terrible lines or not. But some scenes are over long, others are glossed over too quickly. The pacing is off all over the place.
The classic trilogy was edited by someone else - someone with no emotional connection to the scenes that had been filmed. But Lucas decided that the part of the movie-making process he really enjoyed was editing the final film together, and in retrospect that's something he really wasn't all that good at.
Morkonan wrote:What really happened isn't as exciting. Putin flexed his left thigh during his morning ride on a flying bear, right after beating fifty Judo blackbelts, which he does upon rising every morning. (Not that Putin sleeps, it's just that he doesn't want to make others feel inadequate.)
Lucas was just "entirely wrong" in everything connected with the prequels. His direction was terrible (according to reports) he did crazy stuff like forcing in "moar actshun" and ridiculous visuals that only confused the viewer. The story was also stoopid in the "this is stupid" sort of way. It was also filled with a lot of things that had nothing to do with anything and no characters worth writing about... UNLESS you had seen the other movies. Then, maybe, you'd be mildly interested after your popcorn ran out.
Lucas wrote 'em, envisioned 'em, either wrote or co-wrote the screenplays, directed and produced and whatever else one would call it - It's his fault.
We really shouldn't be making excuses for those prequels. Hey, I'm sure that many people's first introduction into Star Wars in film media was through the prequels. That's OK. And, whether they liked or loved them doesn't really matter that much, either. Different strokes and all that... But, they were horrid.
/rant off
Now, Disney is in the mix. Disney does a great job with "story", especially archetypical ones. Their animation department is beyond compare in constucting perfect character visuals. It doesn't get any better, really. But, they're not that great with sequels for real-action movies. (Whether or not Star Wars can be called "real-action" is debatable.) After all, Disney is responsible for the "Herbie the Love Bug" series...
I'd be happy with self-contained movies in a Star Wars Universe, each with their own storylines and characters exploring the setting, not some stupid ridiculous dumb "character" thing that Disney just doesn't do well. Unless Kylo is supposed to be an angsty wannabe High-School-Shooter... If so, they hit it right on the mark.
Lucas wrote 'em, envisioned 'em, either wrote or co-wrote the screenplays, directed and produced and whatever else one would call it - It's his fault.
We really shouldn't be making excuses for those prequels. Hey, I'm sure that many people's first introduction into Star Wars in film media was through the prequels. That's OK. And, whether they liked or loved them doesn't really matter that much, either. Different strokes and all that... But, they were horrid.
/rant off
Now, Disney is in the mix. Disney does a great job with "story", especially archetypical ones. Their animation department is beyond compare in constucting perfect character visuals. It doesn't get any better, really. But, they're not that great with sequels for real-action movies. (Whether or not Star Wars can be called "real-action" is debatable.) After all, Disney is responsible for the "Herbie the Love Bug" series...
I'd be happy with self-contained movies in a Star Wars Universe, each with their own storylines and characters exploring the setting, not some stupid ridiculous dumb "character" thing that Disney just doesn't do well. Unless Kylo is supposed to be an angsty wannabe High-School-Shooter... If so, they hit it right on the mark.
I'm not so sure it was Lucas that managed that. He didn't direct Empire or RotJ, and he was famously limited in what he could do in the original movie because of budget restraints--that forced him to pare the story down to the minimum possible so he could actually film it. The prequels show what Lucas does when he has no realistic budgetary constraints and no-one to hold him back--in short, he messes it up.Usenko wrote:Lucas had taken movies with awful scripts and made them into good movies (that's the classic movies).
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/zs/rotj/bait5.jpg
It's a deer (or at least bares close resemblance to one). Also a random stick-on eye.
It's a deer (or at least bares close resemblance to one). Also a random stick-on eye.
About that list of things I didn't need to know....Antilogic wrote:http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/zs/rotj/bait5.jpg
It's a deer (or at least bares close resemblance to one). Also a random stick-on eye.
Budget restraints are a good thing.pjknibbs wrote: I'm not so sure it was Lucas that managed that. He didn't direct Empire or RotJ, and he was famously limited in what he could do in the original movie because of budget restraints--that forced him to pare the story down to the minimum possible so he could actually film it. The prequels show what Lucas does when he has no realistic budgetary constraints and no-one to hold him back--in short, he messes it up.
Would Red Dwarf have been anywhere near as good when it first appeared in the 80's if it had a big budget?
i doubt it. I suspect having to grab things from wherever they could find it, including from the skip outside the studio actually enhanced it.
In fact when they did get a good budget the show went downhill fast. This new version has worked hard to mimic the style of those early 'no money' days.
If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. ... Niccolò Machiavelli
In the case of Red Dwarf I don't think it was the budget that was the problem, it was Doug Naylor and Robert Grant splitting as a writing team sometime around season 9. They've never been any good apart.mrbadger wrote: In fact when they did get a good budget the show went downhill fast. This new version has worked hard to mimic the style of those early 'no money' days.
Actually good scientific explenation (mind about SW space magic) about the most stupid scene in entire movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31zTiPIhJ6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31zTiPIhJ6o
I think this is worthy to be the final post for this topic
How Star Wars The Last Jedi Should Have Ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ
How Star Wars The Last Jedi Should Have Ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ