The difference between business and academia

philip_hughes · Post by **philip_hughes** » Thu, 12. Apr 18, 22:10

Hey guys. A bit of an update, I am now Dr Philip Hughes, head of science, flurosat. We have a cheezy website and everything if you want to look it up. I am quite stressed but happy.

Here is why I'm stressed.

I was given the task of making some predictions for agriculture from a satellite or drone image. They also said they would like it if i could do it with no data. This is impossible but i did it anyway with a caveat i borrowed from the hunt for red October: making this prediction is possible, but not recommended.

They then asked me what i would do next if this prexictiin proved accurate. I told them i would collect my nobel prize and move to the Bahamas

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Thu, 12. Apr 18, 22:46

You left Academia? Are you nuts?

Didn't you see Ghostbusters? They expect results.

Cpt.Jericho · Post by **Cpt.Jericho** » Thu, 12. Apr 18, 22:59

At least business does pay. Academia around here means you get limited time contracts, big workloads and little to hardly mentionable pay.

Post by **euclid** » Thu, 12. Apr 18, 23:02

GZ Phil, good move. Academia doesn't pay well not to mention the lack of a nice social package, which you enjoying now

Cheers Euclid

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 01:13

I do tell my students that if it's money they want, then academia isn't the place to work, but to me work has never been about the money.

I either enjoy my job or I refuse to do it.

Then I quite literally hate not having anything to do when I'm not at work. I drive my wife crazy.

But what is this social package thing? I have trouble remembering to take the leave I'm allocated as it is, is a social package more leave?

pjknibbs · Post by **pjknibbs** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 08:42

mrbadger wrote: But what is this social package thing? I have trouble remembering to take the leave I'm allocated as it is, is a social package more leave?

I don't think Australia has a free health service like we do, so I'm guessing the "social package" would include health insurance.

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 09:44

Ah, so that would be a good thing.

But it's all a good thing, jut not a thing I could do.

Post by **Tamina** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 09:48

mrbadger wrote:I do tell my students that if it's money they want, then academia isn't the place to work, but to me work has never been about the money.

I either enjoy my job or I refuse to do it.

Then I quite literally hate not having anything to do when I'm not at work. I drive my wife crazy.

But what is this social package thing? I have trouble remembering to take the leave I'm allocated as it is, is a social package more leave?

What is the factor?
If I go to Academia here, I get 70k min with bonus up to 100k. That is much more then business with 50-70k and years later maybe more then 100k as well.

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 11:57

Tamina wrote: What is the factor?
If I go to Academia here, I get 70k min with bonus up to 100k. That is much more then business with 50-70k and years later maybe more then 100k as well.

70k in what currency?

I could earn far more with my qualifications in the private sector. I know, I have. But it wasn't fun. I only did the job until I could find what I was looking for, a position in Academia. It paid less initially. Now it doesn't, and if I was interested in taking the management pill my wages could go higher still.

But I'm not. I'm well off, I have a tiny mortgage, lower than rent on a single room flat. Why would I work myself that hard when I'm happy now?

I had the chance to work for Google, and they made it sound enticing, but I know people who work there, and that's all they do, 'work for Google'. It consumes their lives.

No thanks, it's not worth the money.

My son feels differently, and I support that. He has his Masters and he's looking for a good job in the commercial sector not dissimilar to Dr Phil. Something to do with mud anyway. I paid for him to go on a feild trip to Switzerland where he climbed a mountain and licked rocks or somesuch. He had a hammer as well, but I remember him texting me about licking rocks to see what type they were.

I guess I don't really get what he's studied

Geology? He analyed a peat bog for his Masters project, which didn't seem much like geology to me though, so perhaps I'm mistaken.

I'm a bad father.

Post by **Alan Phipps** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 12:13

@ mrbadger: My 2 year old granddaughter often licks stones and mud. It sounds as though she may have a bright future in that branch of Academia or the related commercial sector too.

clakclak · Post by **clakclak** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 12:32

philip_hughes wrote:[...] We have a cheezy website and everything if you want to look it up. [...]

Important question about the website. Why didn't Aleksey Achkasov and Sebastine Ugbaje get one of those sleek FluroSat shirts for their pictures?

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 13:53

Alan Phipps wrote:@ mrbadger: My 2 year old granddaughter often licks stones and mud. It sounds as though she may have a bright future in that branch of Academia or the related commercial sector too.

Or possibly some very weird pregnancy related eating habits in her future. My sons mother wanted to eat shoes

When he was three he put a load of rocks in a bucket of water and pressed down on then 'to make a diamond for his mum'.

Retiredman · Post by **Retiredman** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 13:53

Should have made your prediction only 5% correct. Then claim it as a victory.
The man paying you always expect more for less.
You could have leached this for 20 years by adding 5% each year.
By that time you would be so valuable that you could command a very high salary and in
10 retire to real comfort.
Playing the game and what to play is the key.

Usenko · Post by **Usenko** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 16:04

pjknibbs wrote:
mrbadger wrote: But what is this social package thing? I have trouble remembering to take the leave I'm allocated as it is, is a social package more leave?
I don't think Australia has a free health service like we do, so I'm guessing the "social package" would include health insurance.

Incorrect - although there are user-pays elements to our system, basic health care is free to all. Health insurance is beneficial but not essential, and it is the concern of the patient, not of their employer.

pjknibbs · Post by **pjknibbs** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 17:04

Usenko wrote: Incorrect - although there are user-pays elements to our system, basic health care is free to all.

OK, happy to be proven wrong on that one. What "user-pay" elements do you have? In the UK NHS patients usually have to pay for prescriptions and dental treatment, unless they have an exception due to genuinely being too poor to afford it.

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 17:50

There are excemptions for chronic medical condtitions

I have an excemption due to being epileptic. My wife has one for her medical condition.

Not all chronic conditions can get it. certain kinds of Diebetes don't for example, unless they can be determined to not be self inflicted, such by alcohol abuse or obesity. But such kinds can usually be reversed if the sufferer stops drinking or loses weight. They usually don't, so prescriptions aren't free.

Other types, like type 2 diabetes caused by autoimmune disorder just can't be reversed no matter what you do, since it's your own body causing it. Those usually get exceptions, or used to. I think they still do. It's up to the doctor.

Observe · Post by **Observe** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 19:46

mrbadger wrote:Other types, like type 2 diabetes caused by autoimmune disorder just can't be reversed no matter what you do, since it's your own body causing it.

Just for the record, that would be Type 1 diabetes - not Type 2.

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 19:55

Observe wrote:
mrbadger wrote:Other types, like type 2 diabetes caused by autoimmune disorder just can't be reversed no matter what you do, since it's your own body causing it.
Just for the record, that would be Type 1 diabetes - not Type 2.

No, type 2, Type 1 as well, but type 2 can be the result of autoimmune disorders as well. I know, I have a friend with it, a quite thin, very fit frind who has a thyroid issue and was warned years ago they might develop diabetes. and a a couple of years ago they did.

They get quite angry about all the 'you can cure type 2' stuff that's peddled, because it's only true if the type 2 diabetes is self inflicted, and hers wasn't.

If you have one autoimmune disorder you are more likely to develop another apparently.

Rice · Post by **Rice** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 20:02

Type 1 is if the pancreas has been "destroyed"
Type 2 if the body can't work with the Hormon(Insulin) anymore
as a rough summary, both can happen from youth to old age, the mechanism why the body can't work with "sugar" anymore is just a difference.
so both are right to some degree

mrbadger · Post by **mrbadger** » Fri, 13. Apr 18, 20:08

In my friends case, her body is attacking the pancreas and damaging its ability to produce insulin. But not enough to become type 1.

It's not because of being overweight or drinking. The usual modern causes.

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