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Falcrack wrote:If you are waiting around for Star Citizen, I would be concerned, but I think this title is more likely to be released in a reasonable time frame.Scarecrow wrote:At 70 yo I'm hoping it gets released in time for me to play it
Hopefully you still have plenty of time to get it right, I'm not planning a Celestis trip any time soon.
Totally agree!!! 
I am sick and tired of seeing political correctness especially in most other games and then storm brews up years later.nemesis1982 wrote:@CBJ: I would like to be very clear that I meant no offense and I do understand what you're saying.
I would like to add though that a lack of communication is not expectation management. However I do understand it's not much fun being on that end of the pitch forks.
Also much of the communication could be read as being aggressive. For instance the following implies that you're offended by the statement and could be construed as a very emotional and offensive response:
"Really? We've done everything we are able to to change that this time around. I'm sorry if there isn't a non-stop flow of information, but we have given lots of information about the game already, and we will do so again when we have something new to tell people about."
Saying something in the lines of:
"I'm sorry you feel this way. We've been working hard to change the way we communicate. It's been difficult providing a consistent stream of information however we do feel we're getting better. We feel that we've already given a lot of information and cannot give much more at the moment without impacting the experience. As soon as we feel we have new information to share we will do so."
Off topic: it's only yesterday i found out that Chris Roberts was let go from Freelancer. So I'm pretty sure ES's decision making isn't as terrible as his.If you are waiting around for Star Citizen, I would be concerned, but I think this title is more likely to be released in a reasonable time frame.
Hear me guys, I am working in the italian branch of a big German/International software house compared to EGOSOFT (around the world we're about 1200 people) and when our product was still in development it took more that 3 years to have the first release ready with about 190 men years of total development. So let them do their job as quietly as possible and we will get a superb new game. They are a really great programmers and they want to realise the best game they are able to do !CBJ wrote:No offence taken. Regarding lack of communication, the point is that that isn't the case this time around. We have already communicated quite a bit, and we'll continue to communicate when we are ready to do so. Constant "updates" with no new information won't add anything to that process, but they will impact on development.
Regarding the wording of responses, I'm well aware of the difference between a a "corporate" tone and a more personal one. In informal discussions such as this one, I think the other participants appreciate that developers who choose to take part in them do of their own accord and as individuals. Occasionally that can mean that a little impatience shows through, but a gentle reminder that the developers are (mostly) human is not always a bad thing.
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I've also followed Amplitude Studio's games, and they are mostly very good, although I do feel that Endless Space is very 'sparse' in terms of actual gameplay. It certainly feels like a mish-mash of features that people voted for and were stuck together without really any idea of how they should fit in with the other gameplay mechanics.Cabrelbeuk wrote:Since we are in casual discussion, I was wondering if you (Egosoft) have ever considered to do a fully open development system like Amplitude Studio (endless games, last one being endless space 2) ?
Idea being every design/mechanics choices is detailed and given publically and the community do vote, give ideas of improvment and for the part who have access to alphas give feedback (I guess the last part is similar to DevNet, so already have. Difference being almost everything is public).
It worked for them, and Sega accepted to edit them despite having this unusual organization..
They did got a few months of early-access on Steam with limited access to the contents but was in the last stage of development. Ideas is not crowfunding or years of Early access.
I haven't found that Amplitude's turn around time for patches is that bad honestly. Endless Space 1 was their first game and as such may well have been short on gameplay, but Endless Legend was pretty brilliant.Vandragorax wrote:I've also followed Amplitude Studio's games, and they are mostly very good, although I do feel that Endless Space is very 'sparse' in terms of actual gameplay. It certainly feels like a mish-mash of features that people voted for and were stuck together without really any idea of how they should fit in with the other gameplay mechanics.
Not to mention that their turnaround time for patches and updates was excruciatingly slow for even the smallest of features.
There are negatives to this method that obviously CBJ and the team have considered and wouldn't work for them, in the same vein that 'early access' wouldn't help them much either (too much resource needed to essentially project manage the feedback and corralling users into accepting the direction the devs sometimes need to go in).
