what type of system will i need to run X4?

epimannn · Post by **epimannn** » Sun, 17. Jun 18, 01:14

I don't know your budget and where you buy so hard to say, but specs looks fine to me.

Chrisalddin · Post by **Chrisalddin** » Sun, 17. Jun 18, 01:17

epimannn wrote:I don't know your budget and where you buy so hard to say, but specs looks fine to me.

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funny i getting more help on here then the other forum i asked on. and that one is for Pc build's lol

Miniding · Post by **Miniding** » Sun, 17. Jun 18, 10:33

If you intend to upgrade only the CPU and stay on 3Gen ones… go for a bigger graphic but using a GTX 10 serie on a so old CPU does not seem to be smart to me…

It's far better to have a middle class average PC rather than a overpowered graphic card on a old one.

epimannn · Post by **epimannn** » Sun, 17. Jun 18, 10:52

For a gaming purpose machine, a i7 3770 coupled with a 1070 is a damn good gaming machine ! It even is capable of VR to an extend.

I have a i7 4770k with a 1070Ti playing at 1080p. I have no problem to play games at all.

When i compare to benchmarks with a 3770 and a 1070Ti, performances are about the same...

On benchs, i can get 85%-90% from the 1070Ti with my old haswell, with a bit of OC, i can reach 95%. It's not a huge bottleneck. With a 3770, i think you can get around 85% of the 1070Ti.

If he goes with a 1060, would be the right CG for an i7 3770.

ballti · Post by **ballti** » Mon, 18. Jun 18, 02:06

Mainstream CPU have 6 core, so real gaming budget cpu whit future proof is second hend b350+ and R5 1600, 8 gb ram, you can upgrade later on 8+8 core CPU. GPU is dizaster ATM, remeber that RX 480 was 200$ 2016, so this GPU performans in 2018 = 150$ not 350$.
This is good budget/futureproof 1080p gaming PC.

Chrisalddin · Post by **Chrisalddin** » Sun, 24. Jun 18, 07:54

follow up question.
i am looking at a Ryxen 5 2600. (not the 2600x)
but the Rexen 5 2400G also got my eye.
why did it get my eye? it's APU.
now i know i am going to need to get a new GFX card at some point.
but looking on GPU comparison site's the RX Vega 11 Graphics are said to be 100% better then the asus HD 7770 2gb i run at this time.
here is a Link to the webpage to see what i going on about
http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.ph ... %20Edition

question is. do i live with the bottle nick for about 6 to 9 weeks (9 is on the extreem end) and get the 2600 (price is about £160 and a nice allround CPU). or do i get the slow yet still good 2400G cpu (price of the 2400G is about £140)
i can not help but think the 2600's 6 core 12 threads would be better for X4. next to the 4 core 8 threads the 2400g has.
see the info for euch CPU Here.

anyone on here for a Point of View they would like to chip in.

Yaunm · Post by **Yaunm** » Sat, 30. Jun 18, 03:52

There is not enough information about X4 to make any kind of decision.

-Realistically your current CPU will be enough to play X4
-An integrated GPU, even the newest one will not be able to play modern games with acceptable framerates
-Getting a 4/8 cpu now is.. questionable.

-> Get a 1050ti and if X4 turns out to be a multithreaded game, update to a ryzen 6/12 or 8/16, depending on how many threads the game actually uses.( my guess is 4, so you are already set).

Post by **CBJ** » Sun, 1. Jul 18, 15:20

Just to confirm a couple of things.

1. On-board graphics are not recommended for X4, regardless of how "good" they are. In addition to the obvious performance issues, there is rarely good driver support for them at the best of times, but this is especially for true for Vulkan.
2. The basic threading model for X4 is pretty similar to that for XR. That model makes very heavy use of 2 threads, and good use of at least 2-4 more. It will gain some advantage from additional threads after that, but beyond about 8 threads the improvement will be pretty small.

Chrisalddin · Post by **Chrisalddin** » Sun, 1. Jul 18, 18:42

CBJ wrote:Just to confirm a couple of things.

1. On-board graphics are not recommended for X4, regardless of how "good" they are. In addition to the obvious performance issues, there is rarely good driver support for them at the best of times, but this is especially for true for Vulkan.
2. The basic threading model for X4 is pretty similar to that for XR. That model makes very heavy use of 2 threads, and good use of at least 2-4 more. It will gain some advantage from additional threads after that, but beyond about 8 threads the improvement will be pretty small.

ok so i am guessing a Ryzen 2700X would be Overkill

8 core 16 threads

Spaceman Sublime · Post by **Spaceman Sublime** » Mon, 2. Jul 18, 18:54

Yaunm wrote:There is not enough information about X4 to make any kind of decision.

-Realistically your current CPU will be enough to play X4
-An integrated GPU, even the newest one will not be able to play modern games with acceptable framerates
-Getting a 4/8 cpu now is.. questionable.

-> Get a 1050ti and if X4 turns out to be a multithreaded game, update to a ryzen 6/12 or 8/16, depending on how many threads the game actually uses.( my guess is 4, so you are already set).

So wait, Im running an Intel i7 7700k and a GTX 1070. I just built this computer and decided on the 7700k over the 8700k because of how much more expensive 8700k compatible parts are. But the 7700k is a 4 core 8 thread processor. According to this, was this a poor choice and I should have spent the extra ~$1,000 USD on the 6 core 12 thread 8700k?

BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Mon, 2. Jul 18, 19:39

not at all - the 7700K with a GTX1070 is perfectly capable of handling the load..
you'd get some gain from using an SSD for your Steam library, but mostly on scene-changes or loading in game-saves..
64-bit memory management will expedite the game's architecture, too - I imagine
you really notice the difference when a prog is designed to optimise those features..
CorelDraw is a good example - 64-bit version is much more efficient in handling large data ops and transfers, particularly when offloading to GFX RAM for greater thru-put

pjknibbs · Post by **pjknibbs** » Mon, 2. Jul 18, 21:53

Spaceman Sublime wrote: So wait, Im running an Intel i7 7700k and a GTX 1070. I just built this computer and decided on the 7700k over the 8700k because of how much more expensive 8700k compatible parts are. But the 7700k is a 4 core 8 thread processor. According to this, was this a poor choice and I should have spent the extra ~$1,000 USD on the 6 core 12 thread 8700k?

If you read the comment 2 up from yours from CBJ--who is actually one of the developers of the game--he says it doesn't get much benefit beyond 6-8 threads.

Spaceman Sublime · Post by **Spaceman Sublime** » Mon, 2. Jul 18, 22:10

While I do appreciate you pointing this out, my concern was more for general computing rather than for X4 specifically. I had to upgrade recently because my laptop had become a "shit top" and I wasn't about to pour a lot of money into a laptop again when I could just build a modular system (yay modules!).

Perhaps this wasn't the best place to express my concern, and for that I apologize.

jlehtone · Post by **jlehtone** » Mon, 2. Jul 18, 22:30

Spaceman Sublime wrote:the 7700k is a 4 core 8 thread processor. According to this, was this a poor choice and I should have spent the extra ~$1,000 USD on the 6 core 12 thread 8700k?

What is that "extra $1000" made of?

Intel's "Recommended Customer Prices":

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7700K: $339 -- $350
8700K: $359 -- $370

I don't think that "general computing" will choke on mere 8 threads for some while still.

Spaceman Sublime · Post by **Spaceman Sublime** » Mon, 2. Jul 18, 22:34

While the prices for the processors are similar, about a 60 dollar difference on most retail sites, the extra money comes from the parts such as the motherboard that are compatible with the 8800k, which at the time of my build, were still newish and pricey. This was about 8 months ago I believe. Also since this was my first ever computer build ever, I had to learn how to build a computer, and had to set a budget aside for things I did not have yet like a mouse/ keyboard/ monitor/ case/ speakers/ etc etc that I will not need to purchase for future builds.

pjknibbs · Post by **pjknibbs** » Tue, 3. Jul 18, 08:30

"General computing" isn't going to benefit from huge numbers of threads. The sorts of workloads that *do* benefit from those are either heavy computing loads (e.g. video rendering and the like), or else when you're seriously into multitasking--e.g. running half a dozen processor intensive apps at the same time. Very few people are likely to fall into that category--you might do if you're streaming games on Twitch, because the game itself will use a chunk of CPU and having some spare for the streaming software is good.

Chrisalddin · Post by **Chrisalddin** » Tue, 3. Jul 18, 11:04

and that is something i may wish to do with x4. strem it on Twitch.
that is IF. i can get in to the game XR i yet to fully get in to.
i miss the jump gates... it was a easy to understadn system of travel.
all i end up doing on the speed ways in XR is going round in lops. round and round.

Chrisalddin · Post by **Chrisalddin** » Wed, 11. Jul 18, 21:25

well if anyone cears.
i doing a Ryzen 2600 build.
in a Asrock X470 Master SLI Motherboard,
with G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 Memory kit.
in a Fractal Design Define R6 Black with TG.

i will update my GFX card later on (about 10 week's) to a 1060 6gb.
i was after something i would be happy with.
and i think i will be happy!

BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Wed, 11. Jul 18, 21:56

wow, looking good there..

PS: what's the latest with X4..??

Post by **Tamina** » Wed, 11. Jul 18, 22:35

Chrisalddin wrote:well if anyone cears.
i doing a Ryzen 2600 build.
in a Asrock X470 Master SLI Motherboard,
with G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB DDR4-3000 Memory kit.
in a Fractal Design Define R6 Black with TG.

i will update my GFX card later on (about 10 week's) to a 1060 6gb.
i was after something i would be happy with.
and i think i will be happy!

I have similar plans

Though I am going to buy an older X360 motherboard for the R2600 because they are way cheaper and currently it looks like it is going to be an RX580 because they are cheaper right now as well, at least where I live.

However, this might change a lot until X4 comes out, so there is still time for the 1060

. Video prices are falling on a daily basis, not to say plummeting.

And hopefully Egosoft is able to optimize for the Ryzen architecture as well!

CBJ!

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what type of system will i need to run X4?