[Mod] Aggressive AI 2.5 (2019.01.18) - Support Ended.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.2
Well I have a defense station in Hatikvah next to xenon gate and I have a few ships assigned to protect the station resulting in them getting sector patrol order. What I noticed from time to time that those ships try to follow xenon into the xenon sector - happens not many times as xenon get shot down before arriving at the gate. So it should be the patrol cmd that is causing it ?
Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.2
If my ships have aquired a target that goes through a gate there is always a chance that they will follow it no matter if my ships are set to patrol or defend station/position.
Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.2
Question: Could you name the xml's or even outsource the explorer fix (...wandering off...) you mention as fixed in 2.1?
This, while the ego explore command still has this bug. Even 'Improved Explore Command Behaviour' could not prevent it completly.
This, while the ego explore command still has this bug. Even 'Improved Explore Command Behaviour' could not prevent it completly.
Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.2
Yes they all are assigned to an escort leader. The thing is (which I will talk about it later in this post) the leader is a carrier so the escorts (bunch of S and M ships) were docked inside it. The patrol went dashing towards xenon sector to fight a bunch of xenons.7ate9tin11s wrote: ↑Sun, 13. Jan 19, 17:06To narrow it down, was each squad member set to patrol that sector individually, or was there an escort leader? If there was a leader, were they in the Xenon sector with all their followers (i.e. the followers did nothing wrong and just stayed with the leader)?
My fixes have been concentrated on the followers as I had reports of escorts wandering off, but if the patrol command itself is messed up then there is more to do.
Now, if it is ok with you, I have a couple of questions:
-Regarding the the situation where carrier is set as a patrol leader, it seems that S/M subordinates will automatically dock inside it. Ok, that's fine. However, here is the issue. When the carrier is under attack, it doesn't dispatch the docked ships. They just stay docked. Is there a way to fix this?
-This time perhaps a suggestion (since it is related to AI), is it possible to set Turrets or an owned AI ship to exclusively attack surface elements of target? (avoid main hull damage)
I think it is very helpful when boarding since currently they blow it away whenever i set them to attack despite the target being boarded...
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.2
Looks like they fix it in v1.51. I hope so!
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@7ate9tin11s
Hi,
Thank you for the latest update.
But there are now new problems with this version. (I hope not only for me)
1. Its impossible to give my ships an attack command in a enemy system, because they switch the command to attack the nearest one target. Thats realy annoying. I have no problem with that, that they add targets in the queue, but not at the first place. That removes my command!
2. I saw a NPC that switching his target 50 times in 3 seconds. (No joke) Think thats not normal and could be a reason that my game now freezed 4-5 times. This freeze is new for me. Dont had this before. Possible my cpu is to slow. Dont know. I didnt have this with the 2.1 version. Because of the NPC, he was sourrounded by a lot of defend drones. Think he swichted all the time to the nearest one. Same how in my point 1.
I hope it was understandable. I know that my english is shit.
Greetings.
Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.1
Is there a specific file I can remove to use your mod with 1.51 beta?7ate9tin11s wrote: ↑Sat, 12. Jan 19, 17:39For the moment it is not beta compatible either (egosoft is tinkering with their broken fight scripts and our changes conflict )
Also, 1.51 beta seems to be ok with AAI 1.5. I had frequent crashes when I was using newest version of AAI, since I replaced it with AAI 1.5 everything seems to be working fine - if there's a conflict, I didn't notice its symptoms
Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.2
I have this freezings too, after try a lot of things I found they are related only to the Smart Targeting addon, keeping the one from January 9th works fine. In my game if I revert to the previous version of the addon after having used the new one for some time the turrets become buged and stop working.StonedMajorTom wrote: ↑Mon, 14. Jan 19, 02:572. I saw a NPC that switching his target 50 times in 3 seconds. (No joke) Think thats not normal and could be a reason that my game now freezed 4-5 times. This freeze is new for me. Dont had this before. Possible my cpu is to slow. Dont know. I didnt have this with the 2.1 version.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.2
Yeah, I'm getting freezes with the newest version too. It only happens during combat. Wasn't sure which part of the mod was the problem but the guy above me thinks it's the Smart Targeting addon, I'll turn it off and see how it goes. But there is certainly a problem with the new version.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.2
Ah, that is because I am pre-targeting instead of post-targeting. Easy enough to fix.StonedMajorTom wrote: ↑Mon, 14. Jan 19, 02:571. Its impossible to give my ships an attack command in a enemy system, because they switch the command to attack the nearest one target. Thats realy annoying. I have no problem with that, that they add targets in the queue, but not at the first place. That removes my command!
that should not be possible, will take a look. Oh, ok. I think the commander control was very unhappy with ships having a mind of their own. Will pre-limit instead of post-limit the targeting, and that should fix both. Should not take long at all to test and publish.StonedMajorTom wrote: ↑Mon, 14. Jan 19, 02:572. I saw a NPC that switching his target 50 times in 3 seconds. (No joke) Think thats not normal and could be a reason that my game now freezed 4-5 times. This freeze is new for me. Dont had this before. Possible my cpu is to slow. Dont know. I didnt have this with the 2.1 version. Because of the NPC, he was sourrounded by a lot of defend drones. Think he swichted all the time to the nearest one. Same how in my point 1.
Ok, hotfix uploaded, should fix both issues as ships will not retarget for at least 90 seconds now. Will degrade their capabilities a little for component targeting, but better than crashes.
...and I see the board is finally back up, wonder what happened
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
Thank you for invastigate this problems.
I hope that will fixed the freezes too.
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My first impression: The performance is now much better than before. Thank you!
but
1 case:
I gave my fleet (im on an other ship, not in this fleet) the command to attack a station, because i want the system red to me. After all was red, i ordered a destroyer to attack a target far away from him. I deleted his attack queue before. First it looks ok, but then, he become a new order from his commander to attack the station again. This command is now on position one in the queue and my manually command is on position two now. Result = he dont follow my command.
2 case:
After this try, i removed this destroyer from his fleet and repeat the command. Result = same s.... ^^
I hope that will fixed the freezes too.
Edit:
My first impression: The performance is now much better than before. Thank you!
but
1 case:
I gave my fleet (im on an other ship, not in this fleet) the command to attack a station, because i want the system red to me. After all was red, i ordered a destroyer to attack a target far away from him. I deleted his attack queue before. First it looks ok, but then, he become a new order from his commander to attack the station again. This command is now on position one in the queue and my manually command is on position two now. Result = he dont follow my command.
2 case:
After this try, i removed this destroyer from his fleet and repeat the command. Result = same s.... ^^
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
Case 1 is normal behavior as the commander will relay their orders down to subordinates for focus fire.StonedMajorTom wrote: ↑Wed, 16. Jan 19, 19:231 case:
I gave my fleet (im on an other ship, not in this fleet) the command to attack a station, because i want the system red to me. After all was red, i ordered a destroyer to attack a target far away from him. I deleted his attack queue before. First it looks ok, but then, he become a new order from his commander to attack the station again. This command is now on position one in the queue and my manually command is on position two now. Result = he dont follow my command.
2 case:
After this try, i removed this destroyer from his fleet and repeat the command. Result = same s.... ^^
Case 2 is weird, the commander subordinates are recalculated for any orders. This may be a base game issue where the ship never cleared out the commander, nothing I do should cause this since the commands are just signals. For my information, was the commander a destroyer/carrier or something smaller?
To any prevent orders from being transmitted down for focus fire, disable the smart targeting module.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
7ate9tin11s wrote: ↑Thu, 17. Jan 19, 01:33Case 1 is normal behavior as the commander will relay their orders down to subordinates for focus fire.StonedMajorTom wrote: ↑Wed, 16. Jan 19, 19:231 case:
I gave my fleet (im on an other ship, not in this fleet) the command to attack a station, because i want the system red to me. After all was red, i ordered a destroyer to attack a target far away from him. I deleted his attack queue before. First it looks ok, but then, he become a new order from his commander to attack the station again. This command is now on position one in the queue and my manually command is on position two now. Result = he dont follow my command.
2 case:
After this try, i removed this destroyer from his fleet and repeat the command. Result = same s.... ^^
Case 2 is weird, the commander subordinates are recalculated for any orders. This may be a base game issue where the ship never cleared out the commander, nothing I do should cause this since the commands are just signals. For my information, was the commander a destroyer/carrier or something smaller?
To any prevent orders from being transmitted down for focus fire, disable the smart targeting module.
Ok. Then i have to disable smart targeting module, because sometimes i want to give a command manually.
The Commander was a Colossus.
Thank you.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
It's a vanilla issue. I can be on a ship and have a pilot on it and I order said ship to go to X sector or go dock at X station. Once there that command stays in place and doesn't clear out of the orders list, so like if I take command even after this order I made was carried out and I get up from the chair or issue a new command after getting up from the chair the ship/npc piloting it goes to the previous order I had issued and he had already carried out instead of doing the new order I had just issued. This instance is without using the mod so yes it's a base vanilla game issue.7ate9tin11s wrote: ↑Thu, 17. Jan 19, 01:33
Case 2 is weird, the commander subordinates are recalculated for any orders. This may be a base game issue where the ship never cleared out the commander, nothing I do should cause this since the commands are just signals. For my information, was the commander a destroyer/carrier or something smaller?
To any prevent orders from being transmitted down for focus fire, disable the smart targeting module.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
In the most recent version of this mod, I notice that if I give an attack order, all my ships decide to hare off to attack anything else in the sector first, instead of the ship or station i told them to attack. Is there any way to disable or change this behavior? Or at least make it so manual commands from the player are given priority. They even override wing commander orders to attack whatever's closest, or whatever they feel like, instead.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
Found a bug. With this mod in game, if I select multiple ships (didn't try with one) and give them command to Remove all orders, there is always one ship that is teleported to the very edge of the hexagon, expanding it to the max. So not just teleported to the edge, but expands the hexagon all the way it can be expanded.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
Please upgrade to 2.3, if you have not already, it directly tries to address this issue. Otherwise, turn off the smart targeting module and ships can then never retarget.verdeboy2k wrote: ↑Fri, 18. Jan 19, 14:27In the most recent version of this mod, I notice that if I give an attack order, all my ships decide to hare off to attack anything else in the sector first, instead of the ship or station i told them to attack. Is there any way to disable or change this behavior? Or at least make it so manual commands from the player are given priority. They even override wing commander orders to attack whatever's closest, or whatever they feel like, instead.
As so many people see issues with this, I plan to separate out the targeting into NPC versus PC branches where, by default, PC ships will just ignore other targets of opportunity more suited for their loadouts.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
There are no teleportation or jump commands in this mod that could possibly cause this behavior. Nor does it affect the remove all orders command or its effects in any way. What version are you running and what mods do you have enabled?reanor wrote: ↑Fri, 18. Jan 19, 15:35Found a bug. With this mod in game, if I select multiple ships (didn't try with one) and give them command to Remove all orders, there is always one ship that is teleported to the very edge of the hexagon, expanding it to the max. So not just teleported to the edge, but expands the hexagon all the way it can be expanded.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
I have already done so to fix the problem where the game would freeze in combat. That problem was fixed. But my ships will still retarget seemingly at random even if I disable the smart targeting module. I've not yet tried to disable the entire mod, or delete the files entirely. Is it possible it's an interaction with another mod or something that got baked into the savegame?7ate9tin11s wrote: ↑Fri, 18. Jan 19, 16:50Please upgrade to 2.3, if you have not already, it directly tries to address this issue. Otherwise, turn off the smart targeting module and ships can then never retarget.
Edit: What they target really does seem random as my destroyers and carriers as well as fighters will decide to attack a random Xenon N across the sector instead of the station I told them to attack. Or, in Tharka's Cascade XV, they seem to think the indestructible debris needs to die above all else, even the blue NPCs seem to get distracted by those if nothing else shoots at them. Next time I get a chance I will completely uninstall the mod to see if this is something else unrelated.
Further Edit: They will also *keep* trying to attack unless I manually remove their orders from the behavior menu. Even 'remove all' will only work for a moment before they decide to attack something. But if if I manually click 'x' next to each attack order they will not get re-added. Sometimes 'recall subordinates' will work, but usually even that gets ignored.
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
Ok, if smart targeting module is disabled then there is no way for my script to ever change the target and it comes down to the wing commander signals or default orders. Well, unless you never removed all the old files pre-2.1. Then I would be surprised the game is running to be honestverdeboy2k wrote: ↑Fri, 18. Jan 19, 19:21But my ships will still retarget seemingly at random even if I disable the smart targeting module.
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They will also *keep* trying to attack unless I manually remove their orders from the behavior menu. Even 'remove all' will only work for a moment before they decide to attack something. But if if I manually click 'x' next to each attack order they will not get re-added. Sometimes 'recall subordinates' will work, but usually even that gets ignored.
The sticky orders make it sound like the ships have default orders to protect something or default patrol orders are set (Either which would take effect when all other orders are cleared bringing the ship back into combat). Are the ships set on the default order of hold position? or are they just doing what their default order is supposed to do?
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Re: [Mod] Aggressive AI 2.3 (2019.01.16)
Their default orders are to 'escort ship' but even the lead ship or a solo ship with no wing mates will randomly pick new targets. IT's not 'stuck' it's more like they have minds of their own, and will slowly fill their order queue with targets to attack. Usually when I tell a ship to 'attack' something, it will gradually decide to add every single red object to it's order queue.7ate9tin11s wrote: ↑Fri, 18. Jan 19, 19:57The sticky orders make it sound like the ships have default orders to protect something or default patrol orders are set (Either which would take effect when all other orders are cleared bringing the ship back into combat). Are the ships set on the default order of hold position? or are they just doing what their default order is supposed to do?
And the behavior went away when I completely removed all of this mods files, so it's not vanilla intended behavior. (Escort ships get 'defend position' orders from their leaders when I give the wing attack orders. Which is still a stupid behavior and I wish it would default to making the entire wing attack the indicated target, but I've given up and just disband wings when I want focus fire and just tell the loose group of ships to attack the target when I want that behavior.)
Two things are certain: Death and Taxes. And I am not so sure about the former.