[MOD] Faction War/Economy Enhancer v5.5

[Mysterial]

Well, I had to fix something else anyway so I took another crack at it. Let me know if you still have problems.

[AtilaElari]

Hello. I have a question.
How does War module determine when a faction would start an attack? In my game, thanks to FOCW and DeadAir Fill mod, Terrans are sitting on pretty huge fleets, but do not attempt any sort of large invasion for many hours.

[Mysterial]

Hello. I have a question.
How does War module determine when a faction would start an attack? In my game, thanks to FOCW and DeadAir Fill mod, Terrans are sitting on pretty huge fleets, but do not attempt any sort of large invasion for many hours.

Factions scout the intended invasion area and try to have an equal or greater force before entering. The Terrans also have special logic to attack faraway Xenon sectors, which can consume resources that prevent any 'normal' invasion ops from starting for a long time. Also, be aware that just because a faction has "fleets" doesn't mean they are allocated to offensive actions. Some fleets are specifically prevented from joining offensive actions - more so than in vanilla - to avoid situations where the faction burns all its ships attacking and then can't react to attacks. (This is why in vanilla late-game you often can attack inner sector stations with no response - all the response ships got sent to the war)

[Aranov]

Just reporting the Buccaneer fix works, tested with my modded saves before they spawned and on a vanilla setup.

Thank you for all your work on these mods!

[Eagle_Four]

Hi,
a question, I can also disable the individual modules in the running save?

I have the problem that the Xenon are much too strong (VRO also installed). Sometimes they come through the gate in last border with 3-5 Is and flatten everything. The factions have no chance. I have now already placed a cheated fleet in front of the gates, so that I have at least some time to take care of other things.

Therefore I wanted to weaken the Xenon so far that at least other factions have the chance to push back the Xenon. It's a pity that there are no difficulty settings.

I wanted to turn off the War module or/and Catchup module, does that make sense?

[Mysterial]

Hi,
a question, I can also disable the individual modules in the running save?

Disabling the war module isn't 'officially' supported but some people have reported that it was fine for them. Removing any of the others shouldn't cause issues.

[Folker]

Hey I saw an poll for enhance X4 universe, it is in connection with your mod, it proposes to improve the economy as well as to create several company or corporation which make an economic war besides, I will also propose it to FOCW

THIS IS : X4: Foundations – Corporations Expansion

viewtopic.php?f=146&t=449602&p=5143872#p5143872

[Newinger]

Is this mod compatible with galaxy overhaul mods? Or does it require sectors exactly as in Vanilla?

(I want to test how it affects economy and wars when used with X4RSGE)

[Mysterial]

Is this mod compatible with galaxy overhaul mods? Or does it require sectors exactly as in Vanilla?

(I want to test how it affects economy and wars when used with X4RSGE)

It should be fine. A TC that didn't use the default races might get script errors in the log, but even then I'm pretty sure it would still work.

[Scoob]

Hi,

As this mod is split into four parts, do they indeed work independently? I mean, if I were to just want the Economy AI and Balance, would that be fine or do I need the base "Faction fix pack"?

I realised that I only have the two Economy Modules installed enabled in my current game, and wondered what the impact might be of that. Additionally, can I add the Faction Fix Pack to a game in progress?

I've been reviewing my mod list due to having an overly aggressive BUC faction in my game - I've had minimal dealings with them in the past - as well as excessive Piracy of my stations. While I've had excessive SCA Piracy in the past, and in vanilla games, where they constantly target my stations despite substantial defensive fleets - something others say prevents station piracy for them - I've not had this issue with BUC constantly spawning (literally hundreds of ships an hour) in the Morning Star IV sector, where I placed my first station prior to discovering the BUC Lost Property Office there. I've repeatedly destroyed this station - and other BUC properties here - yet they come back quickly and their ships constantly spawn in just outside scanner coverage. As you have notes in the change log about BUC spawning, I wondered if this was perhaps a related issue?

[Mysterial]

As this mod is split into four parts, do they indeed work independently? I mean, if I were to just want the Economy AI and Balance, would that be fine or do I need the base "Faction fix pack"?

They won't break, but they'll probably be less effective. I make sure there are no errors when used independently, but I don't test gameplay that way.

Additionally, can I add the Faction Fix Pack to a game in progress?

Yes.

I've been reviewing my mod list due to having an overly aggressive BUC faction in my game - I've had minimal dealings with them in the past - as well as excessive Piracy of my stations. While I've had excessive SCA Piracy in the past, and in vanilla games, where they constantly target my stations despite substantial defensive fleets - something others say prevents station piracy for them - I've not had this issue with BUC constantly spawning (literally hundreds of ships an hour) in the Morning Star IV sector, where I placed my first station prior to discovering the BUC Lost Property Office there. I've repeatedly destroyed this station - and other BUC properties here - yet they come back quickly and their ships constantly spawn in just outside scanner coverage. As you have notes in the change log about BUC spawning, I wondered if this was perhaps a related issue?

The Lost Property Office was confusing my faction respawn behavior so I disabled it for BUC unless the player completes the story missions that make them a 'real' faction. But that stuff is in the war module that you said you are not using. So I don't think the mod is responsible for any issues you are seeing.

[Scoob]

Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.

Thanks for clarifying. BUC spawn rates seem a little crazy, but clearly not related to your mod as I'm not using the relevant module as you state. While I'm pretty sure my excessive Station Piracy by SCA and BUC Pirates is a vanilla issue - I've certainly had it with SCA in a vanilla game - I'm just trying to sanity check things as other don't seem to share my experiences in this regard.

Game is otherwise running really well and seems nicely balanced. It's just the constant targetting of my Stations by Pirates that's the problem. I find myself constantly manually checking for disguised pirates every few minutes, when I don't - or even when I do - I'll often go to one of my stations to see it surrounded by many thousands of units of cargo, that depawns rapidly. One time, I lost 80% of the stock I'd built up over a couple of days in ONE Pirating event. I reloaded lol.

Anyway, that's off-topic for this thread, as it seems there is no chance of any connection. I cannot actually see any of the mods I use contributing to the Pirate behaviour I see, as I have seen it in vanilla too. The exception being BUC, never really had any encounters with them previously. I guess setting up in "their" sector - well, it's ARG, but they have their "Lost Property Office" there - is in part to blame for that.

[dannyus]

Hello,

I have a question - I plan to start a new heavily modded game with lot of wars and action going on. I think this mod would improve the exprience, but I am already using most of DeadAir mods (Gate, Ware, God, Jobs , Dynamic Wars+ KUDA). Will this work together, or are there any conflicts I should be expecting? Should I add dependencies to modify load order? I am also using VRO, but that should not interfere from what I gather.

Thanks!

Edit: to clarify - I did search the forums of both respective mods, but I could only find information about it working together that is year or more older. Considering there have been changes, I do not know if this is still correct, so thats why im asking

[Mysterial]

I don't think there will be explicit conflicts, but some of my changes that affects the jobs table (military fleet allocations, mostly) may not take effect. So I think the game will be functional, but whether it would provide a good experience I can't say.

[dannyus]

I don't think there will be explicit conflicts, but some of my changes that affects the jobs table (military fleet allocations, mostly) may not take effect. So I think the game will be functional, but whether it would provide a good experience I can't say.

Thanks for the info! So you think that the DeadAir Jobs and war module would not work properly together? Well, I already had one game with DeadAir mods, so I will probably use yours now to see how different approach feels Thanks for making the mod!

[random_x4_player]

In the Economy AI module, AI faction mining ships are set to avoid xenon sectors, which is great.

But Commonwealth vs HOP don't seem to avoid each other resulting in local economic depletion.

Some examples I have observed in a 6.0 fresh save with FE:
- HOP miners want to go to Nopileos Fortune
- HOP miners want to go to Second Contact sectors

I assume similar story with ARG vs ZYA in 11th hour and guiding star area.

Starting relations are listed in https://roguey.co.uk/x4/factions/ and maybe everyone with -20 should avoid each other

[random_x4_player]

I edited the lua script in econ ai module to include more war relations than just xenon: https://pastebin.com/rcEv3Fe0

The relations are from factions.xml with -20 or worse. I did not restrict piratey factions since I don't know how smugglers and cover works.

I left 3 todo-items:

- couldn't get the UI hiding to work
- there's no support if relations change in the middle of the game (is that even a thing?)
- I don't know how to test without owning all DLCs

[random_x4_player]

After playing a few hours and my usual gate scouts seeing only military clashes and station building attempts, I still saw HOP miners heading to Nopileos Fortune(assumed).

Looking them up in the savefile the ship has orders:

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<orders>
<order id="[0x84929d]" default="1" order="MiningRoutine">
<param name="warebasket" type="list" value="8418"/>
<param name="range" type="component" value="[0x1c1d807e]"/>
<param name="minbuy" type="integer"/>
<param name="maxbuy" type="integer" value="5"/>
<param name="minsell" type="integer"/>
<param name="maxsell" type="integer" value="5"/>
<param name="deepspace" type="integer"/>
<param name="resourcescout" type="integer"/>
<param name="duration" type="time"/>
<param name="endtime" type="time"/>
<param name="effectiveskill" type="integer" value="100"/>
<param name="preferownspace" type="integer"/>
<param name="debugchance" type="integer"/>
<param name="debugchance2" type="integer"/>
</order>
<order id="[0x201dfe]" order="MiningCollect" state="started" temp="1">
<param name="destination" type="list" value="62669"/>
<param name="ware" type="ware" value="ore"/>
<param name="secwares" type="list" value="62630"/>
<param name="internalorder" type="integer" value="1"/>
<param name="debugchance" type="integer"/>
<param name="time_started" type="time" value="9073.419"/>
<param name="debug_eco" type="integer"/>
</order>
</orders>

while still having correct looking blacklist:

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<blacklists>
<blacklist type="sectortravel" ref="13"/>
</blacklists>

here's blacklist 13 for reference:

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<blacklist id="13" owner="player" type="sectortravel" name="Internal NPC Blacklist holyorder">
<owner factions="xenon antigone argon ministry paranid scaleplate teladi fallensplit boron"/>
</blacklist>

I don't know how to turn the destination into a sector, but it's clearly going for ore. According to spoilery maps the main HOP sector should have double the desirability for ore, so maybe the miner is actually going for grand exchange...

I'll keep looking but clearly travel blacklists are not above AI just ignoring/overriding them when stubborn enough.

[Phake]

Hello there, I plan to start a new game once VRO releases for 6.0. Usually I play with VRO + FCOW for buffed up Xenon.

This time I want to add FE mods, but the last time it made stations nearly indestructible OOS for enemy fleets which lead to stagnation. Which module does change station layout/adds more defensive weapons to the stations? Or is that not the case?

[Mysterial]

I don't increase the number of turrets, just make the turret selection have more variety instead of vanilla's tendency to give the whole station a single type of turret.

The primary problem the Xenon had with stations in 5.X was due to all turrets getting stripped by the station, which I don't think happens like that in 6.0.