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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by pjknibbs » Thu, 23. Dec 21, 12:48

red assassin wrote:
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The biggest problem we've had with pandemic response in a lot of democratic nations is governments being unwilling to take enough action
Case in point, the government is currently terrified of being accused of "cancelling Christmas" which is why they're not introducing stricter measures to control Omicron right now, even though they probably ought to be given the number of cases.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 24. Dec 21, 15:09

Got the booster shot of Moderna yesterday (Got J&J as first shot) and damn good way to ruin Christmas.

For like 10 hours after shot i felt nothing, but then in the middle of the night i got super crazy fever.
I felt really cold despite rolled in blanket in warm room, then it switch to feel real hot for next 10 minute. Rinse and repeat it for 6 hours.

Now Im good, but feel really exchausted.

**** Moderna, I will never get it again.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by euclid » Fri, 24. Dec 21, 15:27

mr.WHO wrote:
Fri, 24. Dec 21, 15:09
Got the booster shot of Moderna yesterday (Got J&J as first shot) and damn good way to ruin Christmas.

For like 10 hours after shot i felt nothing, but then in the middle of the night i got super crazy fever.
I felt really cold despite rolled in blanket in warm room, then it switch to feel real hot for next 10 minute. Rinse and repeat it for 6 hours.

Now Im good, but feel really exchausted.

**** Moderna, I will never get it again.
Same symptoms after the Moderna boost for me and Missus. Ibuprofen helped a lot; try it.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 24. Dec 21, 15:38

Yeah, i heard the ibuprofen thing after the fact.
Definetly gonna try it next time.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Alan Phipps » Fri, 24. Dec 21, 16:50

I think I've identified the latest pandemic stocking up issue - Lateral Flow Tests. As at today you can't order them because they are out of stock and no pharmacies in my area have any either. We were told only last week that there were plenty to go round for everybody, so where did they all go?
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by red assassin » Fri, 24. Dec 21, 17:32

Really? I haven't been able to get them in pharmacies for a while, but I just successfully ordered another box off the government website with no complaints.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by CBJ » Fri, 24. Dec 21, 18:40

The online ordering service has been out of stock intermittently for a couple of weeks. Availability there varies from day to day, and even from hour to hour. Purely on the basis of a small sample of anecdotal evidence, it seems you're more likely to be able to order a box of tests for delivery if you do so in the morning than later in the day.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Tycow » Fri, 24. Dec 21, 23:19

Alan Phipps wrote:
Fri, 24. Dec 21, 16:50
We were told only last week that there were plenty to go round for everybody, so where did they all go?
Almost like it was BS! :D

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Lord Dakier » Mon, 27. Dec 21, 02:09

Tycow wrote:
Fri, 24. Dec 21, 23:19
Alan Phipps wrote:
Fri, 24. Dec 21, 16:50
We were told only last week that there were plenty to go round for everybody, so where did they all go?
Almost like it was BS! :D
Like the fuss with Covid for those who aren't sick, frail, elderly or overweight.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by greypanther » Mon, 27. Dec 21, 13:07

Lord Dakier wrote:
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Like the fuss with Covid for those who aren't sick, frail, elderly or overweight.
That sounds like the attitude I see every day: " I am alright Jack, who cares about anyone else? "

I sincerely hope I am wrong. :(
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Lord Dakier » Tue, 28. Dec 21, 03:25

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Lord Dakier wrote:
Mon, 27. Dec 21, 02:09
Like the fuss with Covid for those who aren't sick, frail, elderly or overweight.
That sounds like the attitude I see every day: " I am alright Jack, who cares about anyone else? "

I sincerely hope I am wrong. :(
It's not about caring for anyone else. We have 90% of the adult population vaccinated in the UK against Alpha and Delta, which make up over 75% of all Covid cases. The vaccine protection is apparently reduced with Omicron. 90% of the population are vaccinated with over 90% efficacy, they 'apparently' reduce transmission and we have more cases than ever before. Just with basic maths you can prove that the vaccines aren't as strong as advertised. This isn't me suggesting people not to take it. For my age range last I checked a couple months back 107 people had died without pre-existing medical conditions, I can tell you some of them where in things like car crashes or accidents. In the UK right now you can be vaccinated, but have Covid and enter a football stadium, but not be vaccinated, not have Covid and still have to prove it (I've actually seen this happen too).

It all reeks of misinformation by our government. The so-called experts have been wrong and I for the life of me do not see how people can't scrutinise them. 60% herd immunity required, then 80%, now everyone needs to be vaccinated, now we all need boosters because efficacy has dropped to 65-85% with Omicron (which is <25k in UK compared to 120k total).

Pfizer charging $22 per vaccine which cost less than $1 to make is just the icing on the cake, as someone who's worked in purchasing you'd be hung, drawn and quartered for buying at that mark-up. Obviously during this pandemic we've also seen the rich have gotten significantly richer while everyone else has become poorer.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by red assassin » Tue, 28. Dec 21, 12:26

1) Things change. Alpha, beta, delta and omicron variants have all been more infectious than the original strain and previous variants, and later variants have started exhibiting some level of immune escape as well. Obviously this means that a control measure which works with some efficacy level against the original strain is less effective against later strains, and results have been updated to reflect this. We've also removed nearly all of the other control measures we used earlier in the pandemic when cases were spiking. I don't know what you're expecting.

2) Omicron now accounts for about 90% of PCRs processed in labs which can check for S Gene Target Failure, which is a good and relatively fast check for omicron:
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(note that results still take some time to process, and fewer tests were conducted over Christmas anyway, which accounts for the dip in total positives in the last couple of days)
There are also hundreds of thousands of fully sequenced and confirmed omicron cases at this point - data just takes time to process and omicron has spiked extremely quickly.
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2) "24.4% of the UK population were at risk due to a record of at least one underlying health condition, including 8.3% of school-aged children, 19.6% of working-aged adults, and 66.2% of individuals aged 70 years or more. [...] The population at risk of severe COVID-19 (defined as either aged ≥70 years, or younger with an underlying health condition) comprises 18.5 million individuals in the UK, including a considerable proportion of school-aged and working-aged individuals." [2] "Well, only over a quarter of the UK's population are really in danger and the rest of the population only occasionally die" is not as reassuring as you think it is. Further, if the less at risk population get it and spread it, they're obviously more likely to give it to the at risk population.

3) Death rates are contingent on having good hospital care. If cases rise to the point that's no longer possible, a much larger proportion of people who are currently hospitalised with it will die. Further, what do you think happens to people with severe non-covid health issues when the hospitals are full of covid patients?

4) Death is not the only adverse outcome. "An estimated 1.2 million people living in private households in the UK (1.9% of the population) were experiencing self-reported long COVID [...] symptoms adversely affected the day-to-day activities of 775,000 people (64% of those with self-reported long COVID), with 232,000 (19%) reporting that their ability to undertake their day-to-day activities had been “limited a lot”" [3]

5) Vaccine per-dose costs don't account for research and development costs, nor for the cost of building new production facilities if needed. [4] This said, rich countries should definitely have imposed measures to allow bulk vaccine access to poorer countries, which might have helped reduce global case counts and therefore the risk of new variants developing. These could be patent waivers, cost price caps, etc.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Mailo » Tue, 28. Dec 21, 18:34

Lord Dakier wrote:
Tue, 28. Dec 21, 03:25
The so-called experts have been wrong and I for the life of me do not see how people can't scrutinise them. 60% herd immunity required, then 80%, now everyone needs to be vaccinated, now we all need boosters because efficacy has dropped to 65-85% with Omicron (which is <25k in UK compared to 120k total).
This lie does not become any more true by repeating it often.
Most of these complaints come down to this:
- A car is hurtling towards a solid wall at 100 mph.
- Scientists say "We need to slow down to avoid a crash where we all die. If we brake now, and hard, noone will be injured."
- Government dithers around for a bit and then applies some pressure on brakes.
- The car slows down, but not enough and hits the wall at 30mph, most passengers are injured.
- Media cry "Fake news, so-called experts got it wrong again, noone died, braking was totally not necessary, we should have sped up instead, then we would all have been at the wall even earlier."

Most of the rest of the complaints are due to not understanding how science works, and that the virus we have today is not the one that was around beginning of 2020.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Tycow » Tue, 4. Jan 22, 11:30

Lord Dakier wrote:
Mon, 27. Dec 21, 02:09
Tycow wrote:
Fri, 24. Dec 21, 23:19
Alan Phipps wrote:
Fri, 24. Dec 21, 16:50
We were told only last week that there were plenty to go round for everybody, so where did they all go?
Almost like it was BS! :D
Like the fuss with Covid for those who aren't sick, frail, elderly or overweight.
Agree to disagree on that, I'm afraid.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by mr.WHO » Tue, 4. Jan 22, 12:59

What COVID epidemic taught me is that modern media are trash, they serve you clickbait at best, fear porn and propaganda at worst.

Funny enough, I found myself charmed by MS Edge feature of the main page, where you have news agregate (msn.com?), you can block articles from providers you don't like.
During COVID I started to block more and more trash media and Edge somehow started to serve much more balanced and moderate articles that normaly would be buried under the flood of trash.

Recently I compared the filterd and unfiltered news feed and it's really abhorent.

Last but not least, turn off any opinion articles - at this point they are nothing more than gossip & circleje*k with zero value.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Ketraar » Tue, 4. Jan 22, 15:00

Ah sounds like a great feature, block anything that doesn't agree with you and challenges opinions. Imagine having to deal with stuff you don't like.

Thanks for the hint I will start creating my opinion bubble immediately now, very nice!

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by mr.WHO » Tue, 4. Jan 22, 15:36

Ketraar wrote:
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Ah sounds like a great feature, block anything that doesn't agree with you and challenges opinions. Imagine having to deal with stuff you don't like.
I'm well aware of confirmation bias bubble.

The thing I mentioned is more like spam filter.

Seriously there is no value in trash like "Celebrity X said Y about Covid" or "List of 20 things about anything, number 3 will suprise you".
Last but not least fear porn doesn't make you challenge your opinion, just terrorize you to comply.

Again, somehow blocking the providers that use too angry or emontional headers (basically clickbaits) makes good results in giving more balanced and moderate outlook.
This was even admited multiple times by YT and Facebook that outrage culture is somehow abused algorytmically, so there is nothing bad in countering it by manual block.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Alan Phipps » Tue, 4. Jan 22, 16:50

@ mr.WHO: If you mean always to check the reliability and integrity of sources of information that you might pay heed to and maybe act upon, then I'm 100% with you. The sources I use don't necessarily have to agree with or please me, they just need to be demonstrably relevant, unbiased and trustworthy. On that basis alone there are several browser headline sources that I filter out based on their histories of overt bias, misinformation and pointless grandstanding.

That said, I do not agree with your all-encompassing statement here: "modern media are trash" - I just prefer to be more selective about the media sources that I consult.

Bringing this back to topic, I find such action particularly important when relating to Covid pandemic information.
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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by mr.WHO » Tue, 4. Jan 22, 18:35

The problem is that most of people do not have time, will nor ability to get into article sources to verify them.
Hell, most people are not willing to go beyond the header and first few lines of the article.

That's even more serious now with COVID.
Just like junk food can affect your physical health, junk news can affect your mental health.
I do realize saying "all media are trash" is like saying "all foods are fast foods", but when you go to the street, the main fast foods are the most flashy ones.

I really hit me hard when one day I went to my old news site, that doesn't allow you to filter the publishers.
It was all doom & gloom with 99% of articles about COVID and climate changes (and it wasn't a special day, like save the Earth or something).
I had serious problem to tell the difference, if it's a news site or some kind of doom cult and it was the biggest web portal in my country, not some niche site.

I can realy see people going nuts, if they are fed with such news composition every single day.

That's why I switcher to news portal that allow you to manually block what you don't want:
Clickbait titles that have very little or no relation to article content? - off to the blocking list.
Titles that try to raise emotions or urgency? - off to the blocking list (seriously, every single spam/phishing trainings tells you to ignore such titles, yet, somehow, no one is telling you to treat such news like unwanted spam/phishing?).
Opinion pieces? - very few opinions age well or have any relevance beyond current, ultra-short news cycle - off to the block list.
Anything related to pop-culture, celebrities and gossip? - burn it with fire.

Having these 4 simple rules into the algorythm really improved the news quality even on sublects that I don't like/disagree.

Bubble bias is dangerous thing, but so do the sensory/emotional overload and spam news flood.

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Re: Coronavirus: COVID-19

Post by Tamina » Wed, 5. Jan 22, 18:41

mr.WHO wrote:
Tue, 4. Jan 22, 12:59
What COVID epidemic taught me is that modern media are trash, they serve you clickbait at best, fear porn and propaganda at worst.

Funny enough, I found myself charmed by MS Edge feature of the main page, where you have news agregate (msn.com?), you can block articles from providers you don't like.
During COVID I started to block more and more trash media and Edge somehow started to serve much more balanced and moderate articles that normaly would be buried under the flood of trash.

Recently I compared the filterd and unfiltered news feed and it's really abhorent.

Last but not least, turn off any opinion articles - at this point they are nothing more than gossip & circleje*k with zero value.
I am using news.google.com and you can do the same there. The list of my blocked media sites has grown huge. The "Health" section is effectively reduced to a couple of tiny websites that I am too lazy to block and figured it would be easier to just not look there for any useful information :D
Btw. have you hard of this superfruit, kept secret by doctors, that makes you thin in a couple of days and cures Corona?

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