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Ketraar
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Ketraar wrote: ↑Tue, 9. Mar 21, 10:03Isnt putting most of your money to innovate the world's energy consumption towards using sustainable and clean sources (not claiming thats the case just making a point) a form of "paying taxes"? I mean Elon got rich because he invented paypal not like Bezos who gets rich by underpaying workers and put everyone else out of business. One is what capitalism likes to call itself and the other is reality, so there might be shades of grey wrt to call people out on their contributions. I'm happy to grant a person wealth if their contribution improves others life in similar "amount". Taxes can have various forms, not just cash.
Should not be a surprise at all, you can balance equality in many ways, the result is what counts. The result being people get safety net and equal opportunity, with strong rules to avoid exploits. You'll find that there is not much society to be had without good balance and fairness. Capitalism only "works" because it keeps resetting itself over and over, but unlike with socialism its depicted as WAI instead of being called what it is, a cyclical failure. As a Vaas the wise said "Do you know the definition of insanity?".Mightysword wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Mar 21, 20:38Surprising comment coming from you. If this is how modern socialism/socialist think, then maybe I can get behind them.
I'd argue the existence of a system that encourages betting to gain money form air is not really good thing and sure as hell is not capitalism at all, its gambling that's what it is.Mightysword wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Mar 21, 20:38It's not a crime if someone turn $1000 to $10000000 with their stock just because the other turn theirs into $1.
But you will never have capitalism. Its inherently flawed by design. I keep saying this, things dont happen in a vacuum, people dont just create stuff from nothing they ALL start at a point where they use existing knowledge and passt effort, this makes it socialistic by default. People just choose to not take any starting conditions into account, they get born in a hospital, which was created by others, go to schools financed by states, use roads and transport that only exist because SOCIETY built them. Then they have a brain fart and found something useful and decide that all the earnings are theirs alone. Take all the wealth, shield it form "trickling" down and pass it on to their offspring which then get born to the same stuff but with ADDED advantages and the cycle repeats itself.Mightysword wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Mar 21, 20:38One thing I do agree with you is the reality part. Like I said, it's about time we should really look for something else. But if someone point a gun at my head and say "pick one!", then I'll have to go with Capitalism. Because in principal, I believe Capitalism tick all the right boxes, the issue is the execution is hacked and rigged. I think you had sometime in the past defend the idea of socialism on the backdrop of the Soviet as "the idea is great everyone who tried so far just got it wrong!". I would use the same defense here, even in the US, I don't think we truly have real capitalism, but a very perverted form of it. BUT, like I said, at least the principal is sound. As I had expressed in the past, I believe Socialism in principal (at least by itself) doesn't even tick the right boxes, and just wholly impractical.
I'm tired, and don't have the energy to correct / explain / educate tonight. Maybe I will tomorrow, maybe I just won't be arsed :/.
There is nothing to be corrected, explained or educated. There might be room for debate though, should you want to spend the energy.RegisterMe wrote: ↑Thu, 11. Mar 21, 00:00don't have the energy to correct / explain / educate tonight.
1-You were right up until this part. Switch capitalism with communism and I don't see a difference here. I had said many time before, socialism failing is not a prediction, and not a conclusion due to the lack of trying.Ketraar wrote: ↑Wed, 10. Mar 21, 23:401- Capitalism only "works" because it keeps resetting itself over and over, but unlike with socialism its depicted as WAI instead of being called what it is, a cyclical failure. As a Vaas the wise said
2- I'd argue the existence of a system that encourages betting to gain money form air is not really good thing and sure as hell is not capitalism at all, its gambling that's what it is
3- this makes it socialistic by default. People just choose to not take any starting conditions into account,
No, this is even more of a stretch than the previous one. And thus deserve its own quote.4-This is only possible because we arbitrarily decided that a farmer working 10h is worth less then a mechanic, not because their contribution is less
And neither money grown on a tree, or we live in a universe with infinite resource (well, at least not until we make the galaxy our backyard). I find it's very easy to talk about socialism in a country like US, England, Japan ... etc... countries that already have an established wealth pool. Because it's easy to see the inequality, to look at the pile of money and say hey we should split it. What if there is no pile of money? Or what if the pile of money disappeared one day? It's easy to say a country like the US should switch to socialism ... and yeah, you know I won't be too against it ... because we can probably afford it. But name me a country that start with socialism at ground zero point and manage to take off from there?But you will never have capitalism. Its inherently flawed by design. I keep saying this, things dont happen in a vacuum,
Nope. As described previously in this thread. Pretty much what it said on the tin. Started out life with an IT degree (with a business focus), first permanent job was in banking, because it was the first permanent job I got offered after getting out of uni. That was in the mid '90s. I am interested in business, economics, sociology, trading, politics, international relations, history, good books, good wine, etc. In other words everything. And I have read (and talked, and watched, and listened, and... paid attention), extensively, on... everything... I can find, for as long as I have lived.Mightysword wrote: ↑Thu, 11. Mar 21, 23:29@registerme:
I'm curious, are you simply a seasonal stock players, or actually a professional trader or a consultant?
Hum, age wise you're probably in the upper echelon of the forum, I can only "guess" about a handful of people who are probably older. And if your life long hobbies is learning and absorving knowledge ... think the bar is set a bit high there if you're looking for someone who can "teach" youRegisterMe wrote: ↑Fri, 12. Mar 21, 00:50And I am a lot more interested in people who can teach me things than I am in people I can teach. In that regard this forum is... losing ground .
If his first job after leaving uni was mid-90s then I'd place him at late 40s, unless he went to university as a mature student. Which would be *old* on most game forums, but on this one, devoted to a series of games that appeal to more mature people and that have been going for over 20 years?Mightysword wrote: ↑Fri, 12. Mar 21, 23:43Hum, age wise you're probably in the upper echelon of the forum, I can only "guess" about a handful of people who are probably older.
This leaves me curious. If you feel that way, why do you bother with the forum? What is your motivation? Here to educate the Plebs?RegisterMe wrote: ↑Fri, 12. Mar 21, 00:50And I am a lot more interested in people who can teach me things than I am in people I can teach. In that regard this forum is... losing ground .
Quick, come up with an astrophysics question!
When I first read it I thought "well, a pyramid of knowledge where the top prefers not to engage those below will just result in a endlessly truncating trapezoid of ignorance"greypanther wrote: ↑Sat, 13. Mar 21, 20:40This leaves me curious. If you feel that way, why do you bother with the forum? What is your motivation? Here to educate the Plebs?RegisterMe wrote: ↑Fri, 12. Mar 21, 00:50And I am a lot more interested in people who can teach me things than I am in people I can teach. In that regard this forum is... losing ground .