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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 14. Oct 22, 15:12

Terre wrote:
Fri, 14. Oct 22, 13:52
Sadly nothing has changed, I'll just have to get used to waiting 5 seconds to log in, but thanks for the advice, I'll give them another go in a few days, see if anything has changed.
Then it might be a hardware (e.g. some old external device plug in that take a bit to load?) or more probably driver issue (I think most of drivers load in the background somewhere around when login screen appear).

Unfortunately it's like a needle in a haystack to find which one it could be.

You could browse for my post a page or two ago where you can have a .txt export list of all drivers with last update dates - maybe you can try to update or delete the really old ones to see if it helps?

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Alan Phipps » Fri, 14. Oct 22, 15:25

@ Terre: My opinion is that it might indeed be a device driver issue as well. After the Win11 22H2 update my laptop was made to download several device driver updates through Windows Update that turned out not to be suitable for that laptop and actually broke some device operations. I had to roll back drivers and reconfigure the devices to get the laptop back to full operation with 22H2. Windows Update is still cranky about it! :D
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 14. Oct 22, 15:59

Ahh, the dreadful windows driver update.

When it automatically and without the warning update my integrated GPU drivers and the sceen goes black for 2 seconds and have "device disconecting/connecting" beep - it always gives me micro heart attack - ALWAYS!


Not to mention something might go wrong with the update - I had once issues with touchpad drivers update (had to uninstall and install drivers again manually) or my sound completely sutting down (I had randomly found a fix as a screenshot picture in some random tukrish IT forum, where I had to go into some deep sound setting menu, tick one tickbox, restart and it fixed the sound).


Since those, I always have a bit anxiety every driver update and windows update.

Albeit I commend Microsoft for reducing the amount of updates in last year and I welcome changing from biyearly major update to yearly.

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by pjknibbs » Sat, 15. Oct 22, 01:08

I've noticed that odd pause before being able to log in on one of my machines running 22H2, a gaming laptop with dual graphics chips in it, but no other issues to report on there, and the delay on logging in isn't bad enough for me to bother doing additional research into what it might be.

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Mon, 17. Oct 22, 07:28

Is it me, or did Microsoft removed start-up music once again?

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Terre » Mon, 17. Oct 22, 19:09

mr.WHO wrote:
Mon, 17. Oct 22, 07:28
Is it me, or did Microsoft removed start-up music once again?
I had to go into the sound setting and disable it, as the update messed with my settings, so no, it's still there.
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Post by Gavrushka » Mon, 17. Oct 22, 21:51

One thing I've just noticed, and it's very irritating, is Office 365 seems to have updated and reset a mass of the grammar/proofing settings. - It may seem like a trivial thing, but it's a nightmare to go through the massive lists of proofing tools and work out which should remain active, and which should be deactivated.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Alan Phipps » Mon, 17. Oct 22, 22:01

Something useful that I discovered if you have updated to Win11 22H2 and have seen Windows Update, device driver and perhaps other issues after a declared 'successful' series of updates. I was having all sorts of compulsory unwanted/incorrect (even damaging) device driver download and installation issues after 22H2 until I ran Windows Update Troubleshooter from the Windows Update 'Help' screen and since running that (let it run as it can take a while) all the unwanted updates are gone and I am 'Up to Date' again. :)
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Terre » Wed, 1. Mar 23, 23:04

I allowed the "2023-02 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5022913)" to install and it broke TranslucentTB.

The first thing had to do, following the update, was to remove the search from my taskbar, which magically appeared following the restart, so they've been playing with that, which I'm guessing stopped TranslucentTB from working
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Fri, 3. Mar 23, 08:14

Ugh, once again some Defender issues

This time device restart LSA Protection Error- possibly one of these will fix it, but I haven't tried it yet (probably will try it sooner or later, coz yellow defender icon aggrevate me much):
https://www.howto-connect.com/fix-this- ... n-windows/

What is strange, I only have this LSA option in Defender only in one of my laptops.
The other one, depite having Win11, doesn't have this LSA in Defender.

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by Terre » Fri, 3. Mar 23, 08:43

Update KB5022913 has apparently broken a number of third party visual customisation apt's.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windo ... 029msgdesc
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 10. May 23, 07:34

Hi,
I have a new issues - somehow Microsoft Defender got installed along Standard Windows Security.

Windows Security working fine as usual, but now I have two shield icons and Microsoft Defender pop-up to log in (and saying you need to be Subscribed to Microsoft 365).

Now I wonder is this some kind of MS screw-up?
I didn't browse questionable sites, so MS Defender seem legit.


Can I uninstall MS Defender and just leave Windows Security (only Defender can be uninstalled in apps)? or should I log and run Defender along Windows Security?


I'm quite confused.

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Post by Alan Phipps » Wed, 10. May 23, 14:01

@ mr.WHO : See if this helps you to understand the details.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 10. May 23, 14:18

Huh...so I guess I always had Defender disabled and I mistook Windows Security for Defender?
WIndows Security always shown me everything green and OK.

Does it mean I should have two shield icons in W11 tray bar? One for Defender and one for Windows Security?

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Post by Alan Phipps » Wed, 10. May 23, 14:52

Yeah, I have two icons: one for Windows Security and one for Norton. I usually arrange it that they are both in 'Show Hidden Icons' and not on permanent show. They still pop up in notifications at the front if there is an issue (usually to do with time since last check or update, etc) and the icon now has an exclamation mark.
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Post by alt3rn1ty » Wed, 10. May 23, 18:38

Windows comes with Windows Defender by default, its part of Windows Security.

Windows Defender used to be MSSE (Microsoft Security Essentials), which itself used to be Webroot AntiSpyware/antimalware. Microsoft bought Webroots App because it was so good and integrated well with windows, and rebranded it as Microsoft Security Essentials. At that time Windows had their own Defender, but after a while of developing MSSE they decided it was better than their own Defender .. So rebranded MSSE as Windows Defender (and got rid of their old defender), and included it with windows which it has been ever since, as part of the Windows Security suite of protection measures.

Other antimalware vendors didn't like that, because a) it was just as good as any of their paid for crap, and b) would be included for free in Windows, undermining the individual vendors profits once everyone realised how good Defender now is. But it was never given any fanfare (I think so that MS didn't get any anti-competetive lawsuits from people like Norton/Kaspersky etcetera). There was a bit of press crossfire at the time where other Antimalware vendors were trying to downplay Windows Defender, and a lot of fans of individual vendors saying it wasn't as good as Norton or whatever they believed in after years of good service.

Anytime I get a new laptop now, first thing I do is uninstall any sponsored antimalware (which are usually heavy on the system, and dont really get along well with windows itself because they have to be so intrusive), go into Security and turn on Windows Defender again (which the sponsored antimalware will have turned off when it was installed by the people selling the machine).
Beyond that I just stick to a few basic rules, never use pr0n or piracy/w4rez sites, always use a good DNS server like Quad9 to filter out all the bad crap on the internet and prevent me connecting with it in the first place, never click links in emails, and anything downloaded .. pass it through Virustotal first (I mean the moment it lands on my machine Windows Defender gives it a scan, but its good to have a second opinion with Virustotals online scan using many different engines) before running it.

My thoughts about buying antimalware these days are we dont need it. Malware is so very advanced now if it gets on your machine it will run rings around anything you have installed which will not be able to detect it .. So why pay for antimalware when Defender (and your own good habits) will protect you from the same, if its going to get on your machine because of bad online habits the only way to get rid is to do a complete clean install of windows which wipes clean the hard drive in the process.
Also consider this .. Microsoft use their own Enterprise version of Windows Defender to protect their own internal infrastructure. Thats good enough for me :)

You should only have one Windows Security Icon in the system tray. If you want to do a virus scan just click the Security shield, and then go into Virus & Threat protection where you can access further options for Full scans etcetera. Click Scan Options, thats where you can choose a Full scan, but if you have doubts about your system choose the "Microsoft Defender Antivirus (offline scan)", this does a clean boot and executes Defenders best system scan before windows loads, then reboots to bring up windows again. The idea being anything installed at a low level to evade anything loaded by windows detecting it, is now not so well hidden by the system itself, and easier to eradicate by Defender. Screenshot -> https://i.imgur.com/4AU4sQK.png

How you ended up with two icons idk :gruebel:

Windows also has another malware scanner which is maybe not widely known, but it does sneaky periodic quick scans as it conducts windows update installations, but never does an automatic full scan.
Click Start, and type in mrt .. When you see it listed choose run as administrator, screenshot -> https://i.imgur.com/rYG9G7V.png . Then you can choose what type of scan it does when you go through its options, as another second opinion of your system to Windows Defender.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by mr.WHO » Wed, 10. May 23, 19:22

alt3rn1ty wrote:
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How you ended up with two icons idk :gruebel:
That's what I wonder myself.

Yesterday with some udated, separate Windows Defender poped up on my Application list along with regular Windows security icon.

What is interesting, that new Defender icon say I need Office 365 subscription and doesn't show anything else.

In my Application list Microsoft Defender can be uninstalled, while Windows Security can't.


I never had Defender listed as separate application, so it made me wonder if it's some kind of update screw-up.

I do have some Office 365 applliation installed, but no subscription, so maybe this is the reason for this separate Defender poping-out?
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/micro ... -worldwide


I'm seriously concerned with increasign amount of bloatware Windows 11 installs without any questions or notifications.

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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by alt3rn1ty » Wed, 10. May 23, 19:47

Ah right, it probably is a part of MS Office 365, but Windows Defender (part of Windows Security) is the same thing, maybe the installation has added an additional Icon where it was not necessary. Edit: Oh wait "Microsoft Defender for Office 365 is a seamless integration into your Office 365", so it looks like its tailored to MS Office in ways I do not understand :| .

Not sure, MS Office is something else I avoid ..
LibreOffice does everything MS Office can do https://www.libreoffice.org/
It used to be OpenOffice, but a lot of the developers didn't like the direction its leader at the time was taking them, so did their own fork of the project to become LibreOffice, which no longer needs Java installed.
MS Word = LibreOffice Writer
MS Excel = LibreOffice Calc
MS Powerpoint = LibreOffice Impress ..
Plus a few others. The only thing LibreOffice does not have an equivalent of is MS Outlook, so I use Mozilla Thunderbird instead.
Any equivalent program in LibreOffice can load all the file formats MS Office can.
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by alt3rn1ty » Wed, 10. May 23, 20:03

Just another thought .. It could also have been triggered by an OOBE script (Out Of The Box Experience), part of your systems setup by the people who made your computer which would have been sponsored by Microsoft to try and get MS Office on your system ..
.. Or it could these days very well be Windows itself advertising other Microsoft products to try, Windows 11 just like Windows 10 is free, so it now does stuff like this to try and get more money out of us, plus all the customer data gathering and Bing implementations it does, sigh!

If you are worried it may be malware just go to Security, choose Virus & Threat Protection, Scan Options, and then choose "Microsoft Defender Antivirus (offline scan)"
And then follow that up after your system reboots with an MRT scan (I edited my first post a bit just before your post so you may have missed a few bits)
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Re: W11 HOPEFULL OR ?

Post by alt3rn1ty » Wed, 10. May 23, 20:28

mr.WHO wrote:
Wed, 10. May 23, 19:22
In my Application list Microsoft Defender can be uninstalled, while Windows Security can't.
I would imagine if you uninstalled Microsoft Defender you would be fine, as Windows Security already includes its own Windows Defender and cant be uninstalled.
If you uninstall it, just make sure Windows Defender becomes enabled again afterwards in Windows Security.
I do have some Office 365 applliation installed, but no subscription, so maybe this is the reason for this separate Defender poping-out?
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/micro ... -worldwide
Yes I think thats what has triggered this installation of Microsoft Defender.
Your choice but personally I would uninstall whatever Office 365 apps/suite you have installed, and install LibreOffice instead (I linked it in a previous post).
I'm seriously concerned with increasign amount of bloatware Windows 11 installs without any questions or notifications.
Yes, and so say all of us.

I would much rather buy Windows, especially an LTS (Long Term Stable) version .. But alas they wont allow non-enterprise customers to buy LTS versions.
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