Russia-Ukraine War

[Chips]

A Russian conscript earns about 30$ a month, and the families compensation for a fallen soldier is 100$, is what I am reading online. So the 40$ fall pretty much in line with the usual payment.

To drag you back to this, you should read carefully.

They were paid $40 PER HOUR to attack their countrymen in support of Russia.

Not $30 a month.

found a very good documentation of the prelude to the current conflict ... (by pbs frontline)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urg1NTA ... 7COfficial

"This footage shows Igor and his fellow separatists storming the Kharkiv Government building... Igor says he was joined by busloads of Russians who had come across the border earlier that day. But it turns out they were doing it for more than political belief, Igor boasted they were being paid to fight... 'We were recruited as pro Russian fighters, paid $40 an hour to beat up the Kiev fascists' " (14mins)

Says all you need to know. The entire thing is chilling.

@JSDD Honestly, no idea what your video posting was supposed to show - other than Russia meddled and incited the trouble in the East of the country -- proving what Ukraine has been saying all along. This is Russia created, backed, and forced issues.

only if you willing, and able to fight that fight, you'd accept that 40$ an hour ... that says you all, too
nobody extorted those people to fight, they did it voluntarily (and earned a bit by the way)

I do not understand what nonsense you're trying to portray. As the video showed, Russia bussed in hundreds of Russians into the area to incite the problems; the protests weren't even by Ukrainians, but they then paid vast sums to get *some* involved to add legitimacy. Watch your own video ffs.

[burger1]

Not sure how accurate this video is.

1 usd = 54.8 Rubles

https://youtu.be/ZsjDSLgOMMc?t=245

historical rates usd/rub

https://www.exchange-rates.org/history/RUB/USD/T

Product price increase a lot? More than doubled?

https://youtu.be/ZsjDSLgOMMc?t=508

[mr.WHO]

There is an interesting analysis about discrepancy of dead/casualty between Ukraine and Russia.

Russia has much more dead, but both sides have relatively similar number of casualties (dead + wounded), with Ukrainie having much more wounded and much less dead than Russians.
Seems like the answer is that Ukraine implemented modern Western style Medevac, while Russia is still in soviet style "if you're wounded, you're f*cked".

In the end casualty is casualty and many wounded won't be combat capable anymore.

[JSDD]

Not sure how accurate this video is.

1 usd = 54.8 Rubles

you need to understand what a "strong rubel" means ...
strong rubel (that is a high foreign currency / rubel ratio) primarily makes imports to russia cheaper and exports from russia more expensive
these are the primary effects ... of course, russian wages also increase with a stronger rubel, which means competitiveness can decrease for russians ...

so in general:
oil / food exporters are having "good times" while ..
machine importers (cars and some high end microchips) are having "bad times" (and have to increase prices prices in russia to be able to make money)

long term effects ?
foreign products get more expensive, so producing in russia gets better chances
risk of increasing unemployment is another thing to be aware of (if russian producers export a big share of their pruducts abroad, because foreign countries got to pay more)

[mr.WHO]

Interesting debate that sum up most of the points on both sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivcSVG5eCeQ

[JSDD]

Interesting debate that sum up most of the points on both sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivcSVG5eCeQ

mearsheimer lost the debate, unfortunately ... i think he described the conflict pretty well
1 point that wasnt mentioned (and still doesnt get media attention) is the thing about self-determination of eastern-ukrainians (mostly russians or "so-called pro-russian separatists")

[mr.WHO]

BTW after all these months, I can endorse this channel as somewhat most accurate, balanced and detailed depiction of frontline situation:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QAp ... 8NZmeDWSUg

[felter]

The other day there it was mentioned that the Ukrainians were in trouble as the Russians were seen to be using Terminators, well yesterday it got even worse, as photographic evidence came out of east Russia of Russian trains heading west while loaded with T62 tanks, yes you read that right it's not a typo, T62 tanks, those things were last made in Russia in 1975. Now I don't know if this is propaganda or what, and I cannot say they are actually heading to Ukraine but where else could they be going, I suppose maybe to be scrapped and melted down, to be honest that's about all they are worth, scrap metal and that's all they will be if they do end up in Ukraine. We will find out soon enough if these end up there, as we will get to see their burning hulks on the fields of Ukraine. When you think on it, they would just be a mobile crematorium for Russian soldiers.

[mr.WHO]

The other day there it was mentioned that the Ukrainians were in trouble as the Russians were seen to be using Terminators, well yesterday it got even worse, as photographic evidence came out of east Russia of Russian trains heading west while loaded with T62 tanks, yes you read that right it's not a typo, T62 tanks, those things were last made in Russia in 1975. Now I don't know if this is propaganda or what, and I cannot say they are actually heading to Ukraine but where else could they be going, I suppose maybe to be scrapped and melted down, to be honest that's about all they are worth, scrap metal and that's all they will be if they do end up in Ukraine. We will find out soon enough if these end up there, as we will get to see their burning hulks on the fields of Ukraine. When you think on it, they would just be a mobile crematorium for Russian soldiers.

It seem like both sides are on the brink.
Ukraine Charkyiv counteroffensive has stalled and there are more and more analyst that start to doubt Ukraine will recover/train enough forces to launch major counteroffensive in June/July (note that attacker should have 3:1 advantage, so they need to ammass troops, or else we will have same story as Russia, but the other way).

On the other hand, seems like Russia is now going all around the world for countries which they sold russian weapons and want to buy them back with GOLD, so they are desperate as well.

It really goes into WW1 stalemate direction, where both sides will have waaaaaaay more defensive capabilities (Artillery, ATGMs, Drones) than offensive (tanks, IFVs).

Time is still on Ukraine side as eventually Lend & Lease will tip the ballance and sanctions will start to hurt.
Alternatively Russia might resort to start buying Chinese equipment, which on it's own if bitter pill to swallow for Russia.

[JSDD]

beyond charkiv, in belgorod, 60 new batalions have been formed, according to US intelligence
the goal is to amass 60 K troops there ... (german state news feed)

also, in isyum, almost no fightting is reported, but russia amasses there too, several new batalions

meanwhile, ukrainians desperately begging for missile launchers cause they are in heavy trouble, while russian are using thermobaric weapons to smoke 'em out of their caves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWI1yag ... ryAnalysis

Time is still on Ukraine side as eventually Lend & Lease will tip the ballance and sanctions will start to hurt.
Alternatively Russia might resort to start buying Chinese equipment, which on it's own if bitter pill to swallow for Russia.

german unleashed fighting dog "baerbock" recently said its not time to "get tired of the war", we must stay with ukraine (and that of the mouth of a green party leader)
the thing about buying chinese weapons can be a bit risky, as scholz said earlier that the west will see that as a violation of western sanctions ...
maybe they gonna escalate economic warfare and pull china into that war, too

the US is considering to bann US oil export because of the high gasoline prices ... meanwhile europe considers to do "hara-kiri" by banning russian oil
US president biden talks about "the putin-price-hike", although he's the guy who banned russian oil imports altogether

[felter]

meanwhile, ukrainians desperately begging for missile launchers cause they are in heavy trouble, while russian are using thermobaric weapons to smoke 'em out of their caves

You mean the war crimes the Russians have been committing with them, as there are rules to their use that even the Russians agreed on, and yet they seem to be breaking all of those rules in the way they are using them.

@mr.WHO, You do realize that Ukraine have spent the last 8 years training their military, they have at least 400,000 troops trained and each of them have at least 6 months combat experience, the only thing they are training those troops on is the new weapons that they are receiving, right now it is mainly 155 mm shells that they are using, more than missiles as they are using M777, and they have also now received CAESAR self-propelled howitzers from the French, which also uses 155 mm rounds. Interestingly, while the M777 has a combat range of nearly twice the distance of anything the Russians currently have and is deadly accurate, the CAESAR self-propelled howitzer outdistances it, though I don't know how accurate it is.

[mr.WHO]

@mr.WHO, You do realize that Ukraine have spent the last 8 years training their military, they have at least 400,000 troops trained and each of them have at least 6 months combat experience, the only thing they are training those troops on is the new weapons that they are receiving, right now it is mainly 155 mm shells that they are using, more than missiles as they are using M777, and they have also now received CAESAR self-propelled howitzers from the French, which also uses 155 mm rounds. Interestingly, while the M777 has a combat range of nearly twice the distance of anything the Russians currently have and is deadly accurate, the CAESAR self-propelled howitzer outdistances it, though I don't know how accurate it is.

The problem is that nearly all of these have been in constant combat for last 3 months - unless they are superhero/superhuman, they are long overdue for proper R&R. You can't really expect them to be in any shape to launch a counteroffensive.
It seem like troop rotation is very poor on both sides - only survivors of Kyiv offensive (on both sides) got some rest.

The howitzers are not magic bullet, but part of the system - if the system is under stress even the best weapon will fail (see WW2 Germany).


That's why I'm not afraid that Ukraine will break, but pushing back to at least 24.02 territory will be hard - at some poin even Russians...as dumb as they are, will stop making stupid things - if they go into defensive, it will be though nut for Ukraine to crack. it's very like both sides will bleed out eachother to dirty stalemate.

[jlehtone]

meanwhile europe considers to do "hara-kiri" by banning russian oil

Does Egosoft's pizza-supply depend on oil? If not, then we are fine.

[mr.WHO]

the US is considering to bann US oil export because of the high gasoline prices ... meanwhile europe considers to do "hara-kiri" by banning russian oil

Germany is setting to get oil from Quatar.
Poland will get oil from Norway.
Bulgaria will get the oil from somewhere as well.

Pretty much everyone other than Hungary has will and alternative to Russian oil.

[Vertigo 7]

In other ongoing news, Russian puppets continue to troll small game developer forums to try to shift blame for Russia's war against Ukraine to anyone else.

[JSDD]

In other ongoing news, Russian puppets continue to troll small game developer forums to try to shift blame for Russia's war against Ukraine to anyone else.

imagine, yet another guy tries to discredit all of that "trolls" statements, not missing any change to negate what the troll is tring to say ... (even if its off-topic)

.. trolling the troll ^^ (and others who have a opinions on this topic different to yours)

gotta be some russian "insider", a putins specznaz troll or so ... (how else could it be ??)

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"where is the ceasefire .. even if it costs land?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMw5odF ... el=BBCNews

[mr.WHO]

I wonder what's the story with Russia pulling the T-62? Haven't they got like bazilion T-72 in storage?
I can't imagine stored T-62 being in any better shape and they were considered old already like 2-3 generations ago?

My only idea is that since Russia is still throwing their ethnic minorities into meatgrinder, they might consider them not worthy of newer equimpent and T-62 that eat a Javelin is as good and less of a loss. Given that the conscripts from Donets/Luhans are using even older equipment, this would fit.

What I find creepy, is that Russia officialy published losses are accurate, not because they fit the loss of life...but probably because Russian doesn't treat ethnic minorities and occupied regions conscripts as russians at all. It's like hitting two birds in one stone.
Note that a few weeks ago there was a news about Russia conscriptions quotas that were high everywhere, but Moscow and St.Petersburg regions.

[JSDD]

I wonder what's the story with Russia pulling the T-62? Haven't they got like bazilion T-72 in storage?
I can't imagine stored T-62 being in any better shape and they were considered old already like 2-3 generations ago?

My only idea is that since Russia is still throwing their ethnic minorities into meatgrinder, they might consider them not worthy of newer equimpent and T-62 that eat a Javelin is as good and less of a loss. Given that the conscripts from Donets/Luhans are using even older equipment, this would fit.

... good question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_e ... s#Vehicles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHhgVrK ... overtCabal

one possibility is really that they think they can use outdated (trash) tanks against ukrainian troops that have no (or not many) anti-tank-weapons left while using the modern
tanks to stabilize some endangered areas in other frontlines ( )
since russians and ukrainians are wearing down each other, having a tank is still better than not having one ^^
a chechen warior would be very thankful (i guess) to be able to drive in a T-64 through severodonetsk these days instead of walking though ukrainian machine gun fire

What I find creepy, is that Russia officialy published losses are accurate, not because they fit the loss of life...but probably because Russian doesn't treat ethnic minorities and occupied regions conscripts as russians at all. It's like hitting two birds in one stone.
Note that a few weeks ago there was a news about Russia conscriptions quotas that were high everywhere, but Moscow and St.Petersburg regions.

military pays good money in russia, so the more poorer peoples outside cities think its a good choice to go fighting 4 money than sitting at home without a job
(similar to the situation in the US when you look how many black people a joining the military)

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talking about outdated old soviet trash ... the bmpt-72 "terminator 2" is in action
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 3135057925

[Tamina]

I've read those T62 went to a specific group of the army who's task it is to hold and control occupied territrory. Besides being intimidating for the civilians, I guess against civilians your equipment doesn't matter much.

To me at least, they all look the same.

[mr.WHO]

I've read those T62 went to a specific group of the army who's task it is to hold and control occupied territrory. Besides being intimidating for the civilians, I guess against civilians your equipment doesn't matter much.

To me at least, they all look the same.

That make sence, since any tank it suffice against civilians.

Somehow I can tell T-62 from all other because of this and it was considered outdated already when I was a few years old
https://4.allegroimg.com/s1024/0c0b6a/d ... 6c4ebe9a54