mr.WHO wrote: ↑Sun, 7. Aug 22, 20:08
Oh god, the quote-fest.
Click "quote" on your post to see it's hard to reply.
By concatenating your statements you make it hard for respondent to answer to you. The other party must either object to one of your statements (showing an agreement to the rest), or go through all your statements one by one. You kinda self-imposing this.
mr.WHO wrote: ↑Sun, 7. Aug 22, 20:08
In Western front it was "relatively" clean warfare, bar ocassional massacre or prisoner execution, maybe with exception of Germans going nuts in Italy post Musollini fall.
Even in civilised West, there was ocasional brutality - bomb London, win the crispy bombing of Dresden in exchange.
On the other end, Eastern front was atrocity chasing atrocity on daily basis to the point everyone dropped any rules early on.
You can claim moral superiority and scream war crime, but "tooth for a tooth" is one of the most basic rules.
Exactly there was no "Generalplan Ost" on the western front.
So, as I say, atrocities shall not be
tolerated or pardoned. And we have
plenty of
these right from the get-go. Remember the video showing Ukrainian soldiers shooting captives' kneecaps? I do.
mr.WHO wrote: ↑Sun, 7. Aug 22, 20:08
Notice that early in the Ukraine conflict there were a lot of civilian videos with Russian soldiers at least being treated neutrally, sometimes even going with small talk joking they ran out of fuel on the road, or if they want a lift back to Moscow.
There was some potential to hold relatively civilised rules of warfare.
That changed at the end of first month, when Russia notice they aren't doing any more progress, retreated from the north and started indiscriminate shelling of cities and civilian infrastructure.
Yes, I've noticed. After the "first phase" (or how it was called back then?) has ended, there are no more any pointless "safari-rides" into unguarded Ukrainian cities (where civilians were the only ones meeting them) performed by the Russian army. All hope this would be "swift and painless" "small victorious war" were shattered. From April on this is a full-fledged hot conflict with Ukrainian forces barricading inside schools and hospitals (sometimes in factories, along with civilians) and any Russian soldier (or commander) dumb enough to roll-in into a defended city and assume jokes about a direction to Moscow would be the strongest "attack" would be killed on sight.
So, no more happy sightseeing tours. Only leveling enemy's fortified positions with superior artillery firepower and walking into the rubble afterwards.
Naturally, not all civilians will be lucky enough to escape the battlefield.
mr.WHO wrote: ↑Sun, 7. Aug 22, 20:08
As I said, it was Russia, who had a luxury of choice, how to wage war ad it was their choice to crank up on brutality.
And as I said, obeying the rules of war
is not a luxury but necessity. And Ukraine has no excuses whatsoever to break the rules. No matter what the other party does.
mr.WHO wrote: ↑Sun, 7. Aug 22, 20:08
That's also the time, when Western miltary aid started to change from small arms defensive weapons to more heavy equipment.
Yep. Heavy equipment costs more. Plus, a good PR is always welcome! How many knew about "Bayraktar TB2", "M777" howitzer or "HiMARS" before the conflict? Now everyone knows about the glorious wunderwaffe! A typical "war as a business" scenario.
mr.WHO wrote: ↑Sun, 7. Aug 22, 20:08
There is an old chinese say:
Corner the rat and it will fight like a lion.
Show the lion an escape path and it will flee, like a rat.
Yep. Seen this at Severodonetsk (you know, the city
Zelensky himself proclaimed the pivotal point of the battle for "Donbass"). Leave them a way out and they will flee.
I have no time for Youtube talking-head "experts" lecturing people on something they do not know a thing about. I'm interested only in hard evidence (photos, video footage), not someone's speculations and "predictions".
Sovereign01 wrote: ↑Mon, 8. Aug 22, 02:16
On the first day, they immediately and strongly deny they had anything to do with it.
On the second day, they say they actually hit a military target.
On the third day, they claim it was the Ukrainians all along, who bombed themselves in order to make the Russians look bad.
It seems "the Russian regime" is
learning from the best.
Sovereign01 wrote: ↑Sun, 7. Aug 22, 05:58
In February 2022, during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian forces reportedly moved vehicles through the Red Forest, using it as a route for their convoys, which kicked up clouds of radioactive dust from the forest. Local workers reported the Russian troops moving through the Red Forest were not using protective suits and could have potentially endangered themselves. On 31 March 2022, it was reported that most of the Russian troops occupying Chernobyl were forced to pull back after suffering from radiation sickness caused by digging trenches in the heavily contaminated Red Forest. There has not been independent confirmation that the pull-back was caused by radiation sickness, but Ukrainian officials have provided access to the site which shows considerable trenches and digging in the Red Forest. On 1 April 2022, The Telegraph reported that one Russian soldier died from acute radiation sickness after being camped in the Red Forest for a prolonged time.
Ah, thank you. So, in other words, no evidence it even happened. Some tattle referring to unnamed "local workers", and "Ukrainan officials" (my bad, I don't believe words of a belligerent entity about its enemy).
fiksal wrote: ↑Mon, 8. Aug 22, 03:22
I have a suggestion what we do about the river of blood Russians left. Unconditional surrender of Russian army, and Russian government.
The enemies of Russia are within Kremlin walls. At least
And how about Ukraine's surrender? You know, it was
an option back then in March/April.
O, yeah, the head of European "diplomacy"
had a different idea. Well, war is the last argument of kings. Too grave to use something else afterwards.