Russia didn't tell anyone in the neutral nations to do anything. These nations unilaterally chose to align with NATO. That is definitely threatening to Russia, especially since the leftist American media has been attacking Russia nonstop since Trump. Both individuals and nations have a right to self defense and adequate protection from threats. Russia is exercising that right and telling NATO it is not permitted to encroach any further against its borders. We'll see if it starts listening once Russia takes Ukraine, which, until now, had only succeeded in becoming a NATO proxy rather than a NATO member.
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Re: End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft
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Re: End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft
You're going to have to back that claim up. There's never been any evidence that Ukraine, NATO, or the US levied any threats at Russia. If you have some evidence that proves the contrary, lay it out. You say you know better than everyone else, time to back that up with proof.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:14Ukraine threatened Russia, not the other way around. Russia initially never intended to invade Ukraine. In its post Soviet treaties it explicitly guaranteed Ukraine to be a sovereign state. Russia only threatened combat operations AFTER NATO used Ukraine as its threatening proxy against Russia. Ukraine/USA started the threats, not Russia.
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The threats are the endless imports of weapons into Ukraine, the continuing media barrage against Russia since Trump came into power, Ukraine's almost daily shelling of the ethnically Russian Donbas residents, among other nonsense the West and Ukraine have engaged in. This is clear.Vertigo 7 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:20You're going to have to back that claim up. There's never been any evidence that Ukraine, NATO, or the US levied any threats at Russia. If you have some evidence that proves the contrary, lay it out. You say you know better than everyone else, time to back that up with proof.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:14Ukraine threatened Russia, not the other way around. Russia initially never intended to invade Ukraine. In its post Soviet treaties it explicitly guaranteed Ukraine to be a sovereign state. Russia only threatened combat operations AFTER NATO used Ukraine as its threatening proxy against Russia. Ukraine/USA started the threats, not Russia.
Re: End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft
lol ohh, ok, so Ukraine fighting off Russian operatives in Donbas, ya know, within Ukraine's borders, was a threat to Russia. Ukraine arming themselves and building their military after the Kremlin puppet reduced it to pratically nothing, that was a threat to Russia. The Oompa Loompa king being called out for being Putin's puppet was a threat to Russia, and Russia being called out for meddling in our elections is a threat to Russia. Did I miss anything? I think I did cuz none of that was anyone saying "Russia, we're going to attack you" or any phrasing that would indicate an attack was being planned or was imminent, even in passing.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:21The threats are the endless imports of weapons into Ukraine, the continuing media barrage against Russia since Trump came into power, Ukraine's almost daily shelling of the Donbas residents, among other nonsense the West and Ukraine have engaged in. This is clear.Vertigo 7 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:20You're going to have to back that claim up. There's never been any evidence that Ukraine, NATO, or the US levied any threats at Russia. If you have some evidence that proves the contrary, lay it out. You say you know better than everyone else, time to back that up with proof.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:14
Ukraine threatened Russia, not the other way around. Russia initially never intended to invade Ukraine. In its post Soviet treaties it explicitly guaranteed Ukraine to be a sovereign state. Russia only threatened combat operations AFTER NATO used Ukraine as its threatening proxy against Russia. Ukraine/USA started the threats, not Russia.
I hope you're not in any kind of position in real life to decide someone's fate, like a judge. Because what you're calling evidence is a joke.
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Re: End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft
Ukraine decided to join with the anti-God western regime in the USA, rather than be tolerant and respectful of Russia, a country which has been (imperfectly but nonetheless still) returning to its Christian roots. Zelensky has always been with the Hillary crowd. USA is definitely the greater evil here.Vertigo 7 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:29lol ohh, ok, so Ukraine fighting off Russian operatives in Donbas, ya know, within Ukraine's borders, was a threat to Russia. Ukraine arming themselves and building their military after the Kremlin puppet reduced it to pratically nothing, that was a threat to Russia. The Oompa Loompa king being called out for being Putin's puppet was a threat to Russia, and Russia being called out for meddling in our elections is a threat to Russia. Did I miss anything? I think I did cuz none of that was anyone saying "Russia, we're going to attack you" or any phrasing that would indicate an attack was being planned or was imminent, even in passing.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:21The threats are the endless imports of weapons into Ukraine, the continuing media barrage against Russia since Trump came into power, Ukraine's almost daily shelling of the Donbas residents, among other nonsense the West and Ukraine have engaged in. This is clear.Vertigo 7 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:20
You're going to have to back that claim up. There's never been any evidence that Ukraine, NATO, or the US levied any threats at Russia. If you have some evidence that proves the contrary, lay it out. You say you know better than everyone else, time to back that up with proof.
I hope you're not in any kind of position in real life to decide someone's fate, like a judge. Because what you're calling evidence is a joke.
Name me ONE THREAT Russia made to Ukraine before NATO decided to get all into Russia's border states. Russia never said it would invade Ukraine or threatened Ukraine in any way in the post-Soviet era, until it came under the military influence of the United States.
Re: End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft
Yeah, you have things a bit backwards. The "border states" you refer to asked to join NATO, NATO did not recruit them. As have all members of NATO since its founding.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:32Ukraine decided to join with the anti-God western regime in the USA, rather than be tolerant and respectful of Russia, a country which has been (imperfectly but nonetheless still) returning to its Christian roots. Zelensky has always been with the Hillary crowd. USA is definitely the greater evil here.Vertigo 7 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:29lol ohh, ok, so Ukraine fighting off Russian operatives in Donbas, ya know, within Ukraine's borders, was a threat to Russia. Ukraine arming themselves and building their military after the Kremlin puppet reduced it to pratically nothing, that was a threat to Russia. The Oompa Loompa king being called out for being Putin's puppet was a threat to Russia, and Russia being called out for meddling in our elections is a threat to Russia. Did I miss anything? I think I did cuz none of that was anyone saying "Russia, we're going to attack you" or any phrasing that would indicate an attack was being planned or was imminent, even in passing.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:21
The threats are the endless imports of weapons into Ukraine, the continuing media barrage against Russia since Trump came into power, Ukraine's almost daily shelling of the Donbas residents, among other nonsense the West and Ukraine have engaged in. This is clear.
I hope you're not in any kind of position in real life to decide someone's fate, like a judge. Because what you're calling evidence is a joke.
Name me ONE THREAT Russia made to Ukraine before NATO decided to get all into Russia's border states. Russia never said it would invade Ukraine or threatened Ukraine in any way in the post-Soviet era, until it came under the military influence of the United States.
You said yourself that the treaty between Russia and Ukraine recognized Ukraine's sovereignty. If Ukraine is a sovereign nation, that means it can form alliances with whomever it wishes. Ukraine could have allied with Russia. They could have remained neutral. But they chose to ally with the EU. That was up to them. If Russia truly respected Ukraine's sovereignty, then it shouldn't matter who Ukraine chose or chose not to ally with. But as is typical of Russia, they don't honor their own word and since 2014 have been engage in open war with Ukraine.
But now your daddy Putin is claiming Ukraine isn't even a nation. Can you explain that?
But no, I can't give you a specific threat Russia levied at Ukraine prior to their bid to join the EU or NATO. But I can point at plenty of them since! Funny though, I can't point at a single threat directed at Russia though, not one... other than when Zelenskyy said he would send Russian troops back in coffins should they choose to invade after Putin amassed 130k troops on Ukraine's border and booooyyyy has Zelenskyy been keeping his word.
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You seem to be on a real kick calling the west "anti-God", so let me assure you, I have a sure conviction that God lives. I live in what you consider a Godless country, America, a land which I am happy to say afford me the right to believe or not in God. I would far rather live in a land such as America where I am granted that freedom to believe according to my own conscience, than in a land where I am compelled to be a member of some state religion or risk facing persecution.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:32Ukraine decided to join with the anti-God western regime in the USA, rather than be tolerant and respectful of Russia, a country which has been (imperfectly but nonetheless still) returning to its Christian roots. Zelensky has always been with the Hillary crowd. USA is definitely the greater evil here.Vertigo 7 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:29lol ohh, ok, so Ukraine fighting off Russian operatives in Donbas, ya know, within Ukraine's borders, was a threat to Russia. Ukraine arming themselves and building their military after the Kremlin puppet reduced it to pratically nothing, that was a threat to Russia. The Oompa Loompa king being called out for being Putin's puppet was a threat to Russia, and Russia being called out for meddling in our elections is a threat to Russia. Did I miss anything? I think I did cuz none of that was anyone saying "Russia, we're going to attack you" or any phrasing that would indicate an attack was being planned or was imminent, even in passing.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:21
The threats are the endless imports of weapons into Ukraine, the continuing media barrage against Russia since Trump came into power, Ukraine's almost daily shelling of the Donbas residents, among other nonsense the West and Ukraine have engaged in. This is clear.
I hope you're not in any kind of position in real life to decide someone's fate, like a judge. Because what you're calling evidence is a joke.
Name me ONE THREAT Russia made to Ukraine before NATO decided to get all into Russia's border states. Russia never said it would invade Ukraine or threatened Ukraine in any way in the post-Soviet era, until it came under the military influence of the United States.
Re: End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft
Some people clearly need someone to tell them what to do and how to think.Falcrack wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:59You seem to be on a real kick calling the west "anti-God", so let me assure you, I have a sure conviction that God lives. I live in what you consider a Godless country, America, a land which I am happy to say afford me the right to believe or not in God. I would far rather live in a land such as America where I am granted that freedom to believe according to my own conscience, than in a land where I am compelled to be a member of some state religion or risk facing persecution.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:32Ukraine decided to join with the anti-God western regime in the USA, rather than be tolerant and respectful of Russia, a country which has been (imperfectly but nonetheless still) returning to its Christian roots. Zelensky has always been with the Hillary crowd. USA is definitely the greater evil here.Vertigo 7 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:29
lol ohh, ok, so Ukraine fighting off Russian operatives in Donbas, ya know, within Ukraine's borders, was a threat to Russia. Ukraine arming themselves and building their military after the Kremlin puppet reduced it to pratically nothing, that was a threat to Russia. The Oompa Loompa king being called out for being Putin's puppet was a threat to Russia, and Russia being called out for meddling in our elections is a threat to Russia. Did I miss anything? I think I did cuz none of that was anyone saying "Russia, we're going to attack you" or any phrasing that would indicate an attack was being planned or was imminent, even in passing.
I hope you're not in any kind of position in real life to decide someone's fate, like a judge. Because what you're calling evidence is a joke.
Name me ONE THREAT Russia made to Ukraine before NATO decided to get all into Russia's border states. Russia never said it would invade Ukraine or threatened Ukraine in any way in the post-Soviet era, until it came under the military influence of the United States.
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I'm talking about Bible believing Christians who accept the Bible over their own personal preferences, not people who follow their feelings or personal preferences like Hillary Clinton and pretend to be Christian.Falcrack wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:59You seem to be on a real kick calling the west "anti-God", so let me assure you, I have a sure conviction that God lives. I live in what you consider a Godless country, America, a land which I am happy to say afford me the right to believe or not in God. I would far rather live in a land such as America where I am granted that freedom to believe according to my own conscience, than in a land where I am compelled to be a member of some state religion or risk facing persecution.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:32Ukraine decided to join with the anti-God western regime in the USA, rather than be tolerant and respectful of Russia, a country which has been (imperfectly but nonetheless still) returning to its Christian roots. Zelensky has always been with the Hillary crowd. USA is definitely the greater evil here.Vertigo 7 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 03:29
lol ohh, ok, so Ukraine fighting off Russian operatives in Donbas, ya know, within Ukraine's borders, was a threat to Russia. Ukraine arming themselves and building their military after the Kremlin puppet reduced it to pratically nothing, that was a threat to Russia. The Oompa Loompa king being called out for being Putin's puppet was a threat to Russia, and Russia being called out for meddling in our elections is a threat to Russia. Did I miss anything? I think I did cuz none of that was anyone saying "Russia, we're going to attack you" or any phrasing that would indicate an attack was being planned or was imminent, even in passing.
I hope you're not in any kind of position in real life to decide someone's fate, like a judge. Because what you're calling evidence is a joke.
Name me ONE THREAT Russia made to Ukraine before NATO decided to get all into Russia's border states. Russia never said it would invade Ukraine or threatened Ukraine in any way in the post-Soviet era, until it came under the military influence of the United States.
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Yep, all Hillary Clinton's fault! When all else fails, blame Hillary, it's the nutter way!
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All else fails? I'm not aware of any failures in argumentation. Instead, stark silence from you on any threats Russia made to Ukraine prior to US making Ukraine its proxy state. You came close to calling me a "nutter" which I think is against forum rules since it goes to personal insults. Not that I care! I'm happy to be called a nutter by the left which is imploding the United States. History will be my vindication as I say to the collapsed nation that betrayed God, "I told you so"! Endless tattoos, people who don't even know what gender they are, a supposed Supreme Court justice nominee that can't even tell us what a woman is... we are truly in clown world!
Clown land USA getting worse every year.
Re: End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft
If I may ask, what country do you live in dmakx281?
Re: End war in Ukraine - Thanks Egosoft
You're right about the clown world. The biggest and dumbest of them is painted orange. All his little clown moron followers wear red hats.dmakx281 wrote: ↑Sat, 26. Mar 22, 04:38All else fails? I'm not aware of any failures in argumentation. Instead, stark silence from you on any threats Russia made to Ukraine prior to US making Ukraine its proxy state. You came close to calling me a "nutter" which I think is against forum rules since it goes to personal insults. Not that I care! I'm happy to be called a nutter by the left which is imploding the United States. History will be my vindication as I say to the collapsed nation that betrayed God, "I told you so"! Endless tattoos, people who don't even know what gender they are, a supposed Supreme Court justice that can't even tell us what a woman is... we are truly in clown world!
Yeah, there's no factual basis of Ukraine being a proxy state of the US. Though, Ukraine is fighting for freedom for all of Europe and the US, to an extent, so if you really wanna split hairs they're a proxy of the free world.
However, for the 3rd time, Ukraine asked to join the EU, not the US.
Since you don't seem to know what that means, the EU, or European Union, consists of an economic relationship between multiple European (not American) nations that allows for free transit, trade, and so forth.
I did answer your question. I also asked you specifically what threats Ukraine, the US, or Nato made to Russia. You rambled some nonsense but didn't provide any specifics. And dude, we know there weren't any threats made. But hey, if Russia wants to interpret their existence as a threat, then that's on Russia. The rest of us non-paranoid types take actual threats as threats, like Russia's many threats to use nuclear weapons and so forth.
BTW, your inability to recognize your "failures in argumentation" demonstrates a severe lack of self-awareness.
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