Trump Presidency

[humility925]

I guess ideological and emotional difference, even grow up,

One could had same ideological but way of life would be difference, let's said one might grow up, got lot of good stuff, wealth, able to do whatever this person want to do in real life, beautiful spouse, very beautiful person with beautiful dna/gene knew life is good, believe in democracy, then you had other person who believe same thing in democracy, this person do not get good thing, grow up in poor, people done cruel and evil to this person even system can be cruel and evil (basic people in power make that person harder life, like case manager somewhere, or someone who work in system had lack of compassion, or even they rather follow policy and law, not open mind, unable to had compassion by doing loophole) alone, not had beautiful spouse, not able to do anything this person want, because poor, work low income vs high cost of living, can't afford, knew life isn't good, had sort of health problem, or disability or bad gene/dna, suffering, need/want had not met for long time, that would lead them going nuts and crazy, or crime, sure as shooter, or rape, or whatever crime behind it. I think people who don't get good stuff and suffering for long time had higher crime and go crazy high chance, while people do had good stuff, not know what was like in long term suffering would had lower crime or go crazy low chance.

Cause and effect, I guess, If people got good stuff, it's good chance they would not go crazy, if people do not had good stuff, well, it's good chance they would go crazy.

People think or believe choice, but I don't believe in that, as my experience as human, that person with good dna/gene/beautiful/appearance/wealth/skill (as they don't need training in skill, they happen get good skill right off bat and able to use to make money or wealth or charming people left and right as easy mode) might had more choice than person who don't.

Person who don't get good stuff (basic all dna/gene/gift of skill/ not handicap or disability or not enough) or enough for them go crazy after suffering long enough would end up like this happen or crime or whatever type or crime, often do not had a choice, if they would had choice, they would not choice this path as why would anyone want choice trouble and suffering more? Answer, they felt trapped, not able to get enjoy life, they had no choice but suffering till point they gone crazy or mental go crazy.

From my point of view in grand of scheme, only person had full choice is that God who had supernatural/superpower/all kind of skill that people know and not know/full knowledge that God don't need to learn anything because know all, eternally (more than that, He always was, is and will, He don't born, He simple always been in past, always currently, and allways in future, can't corrupt, death had no power over God, God control over life and death, Control over existence and not existence, God isn't man or human, or not even Alien, He is basic had no form yet He is there, and He can take form whatever he wish, He isn't man in cloud, although He could do that, but He do not had to show Himself to world, not had to show Himself to alien, humankind or anyone in whole universe.

God is kind of like game developer who design/create world/universe where sims doing in world do not believe game developer there because they not know or not see game developer (I know game isn't real, but game developer is real, it's just for example.)

This is why I don't believe much humankind's had choice, even they had choice, life or death, but it's often not win-win situation but lose-lose situation, like if choice life but no pleasant yet suffering on and on, miserable on and on, choice death, well, no pleasant, no love, no rejoice, at least no suffering and miserable but there no love, no rejoice, so this kind of lose-lose situation, but there is at some point, no choice at all, someone might want choice life but person in power might said, no, kill him or cast them out, so no choice there. Humankind don't had choice because they are not God, not had power, not had control and design in grand of scheme.

I meant, humankind do had limited choice in certain situation maybe, but often people who had gift of highly intelligent, wisdom, charming, beautiful appearance, great dna/gene, great health might had more choice with their life, depend if it opportunity, so they are kind of easy mode in the game.

People who had low or bad intelligent, not had wisdom, not charming, ugly appearance, bad gna/gene/not good heatlh/disability, unstable emotional often do not had choice in the end, they could try overcome, try hold at bay, but depend, some don't last long, some can hold it for so long before they lost their mind or go crazy.

Every time people keeping said, they had choice, in back of my mind, they had no idea and not understand in whole of grand of scheme, but it's very hard to explain people, I guess because people grow up difference, due one might had good stuff might believe choice while person who grow up don't get good stuff don't believe choice.

When I said good stuff or bad stuff, I mean way of life, everything behind sure person's dna/gene, whatever person is disability or not, whatever born in wealth or not, whatever they happen grow up with loving people/family/friend or grow up with hateful people/family/friend, so many more that there is cause and effect.

Sorry for long post. but I want share what I think reason why behind that person do not go crazy due good life they had and people would go crazy or lost or gave up with no choice due messed up life.

[Vertigo 7]

what?

[humility925]

what?

I'm sorry, this is nothing new to me when people like you asking like that, too many people keep asking because my english is bad, I knew my english isn't good due disability, limited intellect, deaf, do not had gift of good stuff like common people and up, but don't worry I'm not going crazy like few people do, I don't believe way of violence, I do believe/faith in way of love and compassion, so no worry. Only thing worse I can is gave up or abandon or not care to so I let other take care of it or deal with it. I guess.

[Vertigo 7]

Okay... well, that still doesn't clarify a thing you said in your post. It doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

[humility925]

Okay... well, that still doesn't clarify a thing you said in your post. It doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

whole point in my early post that people do not had choice, as some people go crazy due suffering in life, had no said, had no choice so they end up going crazy, and people do not go crazy when people living in good life, not everyone able to get good life. That's petty much I try said. Well, I do not had good life, yet my action don't go crazy, I do know my mind can be go nuts. although but I don't want violence, I guess that part of keep me in check. Idk.

[Vertigo 7]

If I'm understanding your meaning, I have to disagree. A "Good life" is subjective and what's good to you or me might not be for someone else, not to mention is usually irrelevant to someone's mental state. Amber Heard, for example, had money, fame, all that and she hasn't exactly turned out to be the picture of sanity. Rudy Colludy, a onetime hero turned zero is certainly a lunatic.

[notaterran]

Here's hoping there's not going to be a civil war.

[Falcrack]

Hearing of this assassination attempt on Trump, got me to thinking about recent statements from Ukraine that they had attempting to kill Putin, but had not succeeded. While I absolutely do not support the attempted assassination of Trump, I would not be opposed to Ukraine taking out Putin. What is the difference? I think the obvious point is that Putin personally ordered a violent invasion of Ukraine, killing thousands and causing untold destruction. Trump, by contrast, although he has had hateful rhetoric, has not done similarly. Putin made himself a legitimate military target for elimination due to his decision to invade.

[fiksal]

If you can in one breath wish someone death and feel pity for bystander victims, then congratulation, you have became an extremist who goes with "end justify the means".

I don't need to wish death to a fascist any more than I don't need to wish to any criminal, mafia, rapist, murderer, etc.

Equally I don't need to wish them well either. I can salute to their exit from this world.

This implies people we know, like Trump, Putin, and people we know are dead, Hitler, Stalin, take your pick etc.

Also, ends never justify means, if that's needed to be stated

[mr.WHO]

I don't need to wish death to a fascist any more than I don't need to wish to any criminal, mafia, murderer, etc.

Equally I don't need to wish them well either. I can salute to their exit from this world.

This implies people we know, like Trump, Putin, and people we know are dead, Hitler, Stalin, take your pick etc.

Careful seeing fascist everywhere, unless you want to become one - out of 4 person you mentioned only one doesn't have blood of millions on their hands.

Comparing Trump to facist doesn't make you defender of democracy - it make you one step closer to Putin comparing Zelensky to facist.

Whatever you might think on Trump, his victory or defeat should be decided by the ballot not by the bullet.

[humility925]

If I'm understanding your meaning, I have to disagree. A "Good life" is subjective and what's good to you or me might not be for someone else, not to mention is usually irrelevant to someone's mental state. Amber Heard, for example, had money, fame, all that and she hasn't exactly turned out to be the picture of sanity. Rudy Colludy, a onetime hero turned zero is certainly a lunatic.

I do see your point of view, I assumed people like Amber Heard do not had gift of wisdom, or not had understanding of love and compassion (she do need this but not had it), I guess I try to said person need all of gift to get good life, even person with rich and fame but not good gene/brain, or disability mental or not had spirit of love/compassion, I guess it's would mess them up or cause them walk darker patch due lack of gift wisdom/compassion/love. But you are right about everyone had ideological difference what is good life and what is not good life. Like both poor guy, single, one might said had a good life, other said not had good life yet similar, I guess.

Here's hoping there's not going to be a civil war.

I don't like violence, so yea, civil war can be scary but sadly it's can be necessary like American Revolution in 1775 within Britain Empire at a time, Second time civil war is in 1861, it's was necessary to break slavery traditions and try keep in untied by forced, I do understand why south are not happy when government try forced military on own homeland, and see that is not freedom, I can understand why North doing it, try to united, to change and break tradition. it's kind of lose-lose situation.

Sometime civil war is need due government is too corrupted and common people suffering due few people in power abused and evil.

You could ask and wonder is there is way to deal a solution without death/violence/civil war?

Yes, it's possible when all people with open mind and do had understanding and do compassion and love, but realistic, it's seem impossible due everyone had a difference ideological that don't get along, it's not big if but it's matter of when that would lead to civil war when ideological do not same, ideological is like this, There is should be freedom, no law, then other said there should be law, no freedom, ideological would fight each other. Of course one could try keep balanced between those law and freedom, but it's won't last forever, it's would lead mess, one or other way, even civil war is over, it's basic reset, and it's would lead all over again in next many generations, at least that's what history look like. Rise and fall.

[fiksal]

Careful seeing fascist everywhere, unless you want to become one - out of 4 person you mentioned only one doesn't have blood of millions on their hands.

I reserve the word for those that fit the definition. He is a fascist, a neo fascist, an American version of one. This is a characteristic not an insult.

He has been that first time we heard his ideas about the government and immigrants.

So I stand by fully by my words


And about the blood, Trump has suffering of refugees on his hands. Abused, separated children. There were some deaths as well.

He also have blood of all the violence he invited, and all white supremacist causes he endorsed.

Deaths and injury on Jan 6 is on him too.

Whatever you might think on Trump, his victory or defeat should be decided by the ballot not by the bullet.

A fascist can still be elected in US, celebrated and looked up to, there's no contradiction there

[burger1]

Hearing of this assassination attempt on Trump, got me to thinking about recent statements from Ukraine that they had attempting to kill Putin, but had not succeeded. While I absolutely do not support the attempted assassination of Trump, I would not be opposed to Ukraine taking out Putin. What is the difference? I think the obvious point is that Putin personally ordered a violent invasion of Ukraine, killing thousands and causing untold destruction. Trump, by contrast, although he has had hateful rhetoric, has not done similarly. Putin made himself a legitimate military target for elimination due to his decision to invade.

Putin and Trump are the same. Trump has caused the deaths, rapes, torture of many Ukrainians by making the house speaker Mike Johnson not let Ukraine aid go to the floor to be voted on. When voted on the aid was passed overwhelmingly by both sides.Trump is also obviously colluding with Putin.Trump is clearly an existential threat to the US.

Trump is responsible for the actions of his last term which resulted in the death, rapes, imprisonment of children and other people in the US. He is also responsible for other rather stupid peoples deaths. He will keep doing these things.

More importantly people seem to be acting odd and irrational. Not sure there isn't strong foreign influence/interference in the election.

[mr.WHO]

A fascist can still be elected in US, celebrated and looked up to, there's no contradiction there

According to your standard US already had elected fasist before Biden term - world didn't end.
Same with Biden - he got elected and world didn't end.
US is not Germany, nor Russia.

I double down on Xanax sugestion and social media break.


On the good news, if anybody here care to aks:
According to Pennsylvania state police, two other bystanders who got hit are now in stable condition.

[fiksal]

According to your standard US already had elected fasist before Biden term - world didn't end.
Same with Biden - he got elected and world didn't end.
US is not Germany, nor Russia.

I double down on Xanax sugestion and social media break.


On the good news, if anybody here care to aks:
According to Pennsylvania state police, two other bystanders who got hit are now in stable condition.

You, as usual, lost me.

What world ending post by me do you refer to?

Are you sure it's me and not you who should check his medicine intake and social media news consumption?

[Vertigo 7]

I double down on you needing to stay in your cozy lil glass house you've built on the other side of the world. You wouldn't last over here, I'm afraid, who.

[humility925]

A fascist can still be elected in US, celebrated and looked up to, there's no contradiction there

According to your standard US already had elected fasist before Biden term - world didn't end.
Same with Biden - he got elected and world didn't end.
US is not Germany, nor Russia.

I double down on Xanax sugestion and social media break.


On the good news, if anybody here care to aks:
According to Pennsylvania state police, two other bystanders who got hit are now in stable condition.

That might truth, but problem each time there is bad president, they do done harm little bit by little bit in long term, till other bad president to make it worse, although question if good president, why they didn't fix or removed bad policy/law that create by bad congress and passed by bad president?

It's seem making worse as time went by doing like that. I think. It's not just president but congress as well, sentor, president can be perfect scapegoat while congress and sentor doing evil plot right under people and even president's nose.

Edit: here I google and copy who had more power President or Congress?
Here's someone post this from Quora.
" The Congress, with some huge caveats.

If the Congress were unified and voted together, they can pass any law they please. The President can’t pass any laws himself and couldn’t stop a law Congress was determined to pass, only delay it momentarily with a veto they could override.

Most of what the government does is determined by law. Laws determine how much money the government raises, from what sources, and for what purposes. 99% of government jobs exist because Congress created them. Every building, every program, every cabinet position, every everything, save a very small number of things explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, which only requires a few things — so the Postal Service but not the State Department or Justice Department, the Supreme Court but not the District or Circuit Courts, the President and Vice President but not the Treasury Secretary or UN Ambassador.

Congress could make the Supreme Court three justices, or thirty. They could get rid of the FBI, NSA, and CIA, or double their size. The president couldn’t do any of that, and s/he would not be able to stop them if they were unified.

If they’re unified, they can even remove the president from office. He can’t do that to them on his own.

It gets a little mirkier in certain areas, such as war. Only the Congress can declare war, but the President is Commander-in-Chief so in practice it’s tricky. So that’s one caveat to them being clearly more powerful. But, the Congress could cut all funding to the military and then who would the president command?

There are also many government actions taken by a President’s Executive Order or by regulations written by people who work for the president. That is true. But an act of Congress trumps those things in most cases.

The biggest caveat of course is that Congress is rarely unified. If it speaks with one voice, it is the most powerful branch of government, without question. However, how often does Congress speak with one voice? In practice, almost never. Even then, if there’s anything close to unity, it’s probably in agreement with the president. One time the Congress was close to unified in opposition to a president was against Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor. Congress did whatever they wanted irrespective of his wishes, overrode most of his vetoes, and even impeached him. Had they been fully unified they would’ve done even more.

All of this is oversimplified and there’s plenty of room for debate when you get into the details, but the overriding truth is this: The Congress is potentially much more powerful than the President in many respects, but their power is fragmented. The President is not as powerful as the Congress in many respects, but his/her power is concentrated. It creates a unique balance of power that ensures no one person or institution ever becomes too powerful for too long, while still enabling a strong central government to react to the needs of the day without getting too far from the will of the people. This is the genius of the U.S. Constitution."


So if one person want to do evil and abused power, taking advantage of common people, they would seek to join congress and get other member of congress similar goal as their are, President is kind of puppet and perfect scapegoat, while people in blue and red seek to keep power in congress, is often why rarely independent as they allowed it as long as not strong influence overcome them while keep common people thinking they live in freedom foolish when realistic common people are slavery due economics system and many more that congress that had influence over. Idk.

[mr.WHO]

What world ending post by me do you refer to?

You comparing Trump to Hitler and imply that, if he get elected it will end with tragedy.
Same by the way, is with more derange MAGA types about Biden.

Both were in the office and world didn't end.


Telling otherwise is just walking into Weimar Republic territory.



Again, depite having low expectations, I think Americans have more brains than Russians or Germans.
Trump won't be furher and there is no guarantee that Republicans (even less MAGA sub-faction) will even get hold of both chambers.

[fiksal]

What world ending post by me do you refer to?

You comparing Trump to Hitler and imply that, if he get elected it will end with tragedy.
Same by the way, is with more derange MAGA types about Biden.

Both were in the office and world didn't end.


Telling otherwise is just walking into Weimar Republic territory.



Again, depite having low expectations, I think Americans have more brains than Russians or Germans.
Trump won't be furher and there is no guarantee that Republicans (even less MAGA sub-faction) will even get hold of both chambers.

Next time you should ask than going with your own conclusions and medical advice. Sounds good?


So we can talk about that.

A fascist on one side of the world isn't same as one an another. Countries aren't same and flow of events isn't either.

And neither is same the definition of tragedy to people.

Thousands of children who we still don't know, will ever know their parents - that's not a tragedy to some people.

Making a white supremacists views part of government is tragedy to some but not the others.

How far the seeds of those ideas can grow we will only know when they hatch.

Not my intention and I am not gonna go further and try to measure human suffering between the above. Their names are only mentioned to better communicate my point, we can however stay more focused on Trump and Putin. It could be a mistake to bring up others.

In the Trump thread, it's a good place to talk about his views on, and support of American neo fascism.


edited for better clarity

[Vertigo 7]

Yeah, who? you clearly haven't been paying attention. Project 2025 is not some fantasy they've concocted. They're going to upend the entire country with nothing more than the power of the executive. And all of that is just the beginning. People that don't fit into the straight, white, "christian" types are going to be placed in internment camps or executed. The US will be pulled out of NATO. US support overseas will shift to Russia. And they will do all of this without congress, if congress is even still around by the time they're finished.